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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 20, 2017 14:37:14 GMT -6
As I go through my end of the evaluation, one of the things suggested in the coaches' survey was that we reassess who gets to wear a head set during the game. Basically this boiled down to improving communication (in game) and game planning (who is involved).
What determines who has a head set and what do they (get to) say? What are you looking for in the form of feedback? How many is TOO many?
Thanks
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Post by realdawg on Nov 20, 2017 16:07:28 GMT -6
For us it was me (DC), HC w/ a flip switch between O and D. Our SS coach in the box (bc his guys are tied to both the front and back end, and bc he is the only other one with knowledge of front and back end), and usually DL coach who was in charge of subs and personnel. Every now and then the DB coach would get the headset if we were playing a pass heavy team. On Offense it was the HC (OC), OL, QB coach in the box, and RB coach who was in charge of personnel.
At times when things were heated I thought the HC and the other 2 voices were too much and I couldnt think to make the call. When this happens I usually just take the headset off and wear it around my neck. But in reality thats probably about right.
What I want to know. 1) Down and distance 2) Personnel groupings going in or out. 3) Formation (and are we lined up right) 4) What went wrong
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Post by carookie on Nov 20, 2017 16:23:36 GMT -6
It depends on how many headsets there are; that being written, I don't think headsets need to be limited to those who are involved in the "playcalling chain". Having a headset on the sideline can benefit position coaches who may not be able to see everything from field level.
Even if I don't have a say in what play we call next I would like to know if one of my position players is in need of some specific technique adjustment or anything of that nature. Being able to hear that may allow me to be a better coach for my position.
Maybe they should just keep their mouthpieces turned off if they don't need to be contributing to the playcalling discussion (put them on mute), but give them a headset.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Nov 20, 2017 17:08:47 GMT -6
3 guys must have head sets, 2-3 others can have them, too chaotic otherwise. Was on a team with about 30 coaches Var through Frosh and seemed like all 30 had headsets which created confusion. Keep it in chain of command, ask if you need something seen from box. The Must Guys: HC, OC, DC
Guys you want on a mike: spotter for D/ Signal Caller on field if DC in box OL coach or other spotter for offense in box
Hand your head set over: Any other coach or player.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 20, 2017 17:22:37 GMT -6
We have a 7 man set, got them before we were hired would have gotten hme 5 man not the crap-a-phone but I digress, small school small staff so everyone has them. 2 up and 5 down all same channel since we play both ways and coach both ways. Lucky that our guys know their role and who talks and who doesn't. The guys who don't need to talk usually leave their mics up until myself, hc, or other guy in box needs something from them.
Gets crazy every now and then but a good shut the phuk up!!!! Usually clams it dow. Again we are fortunate that our HC wants input and asks for it but also that guys know when to talk and not to talk. Nice to have guys on the headsets too who we can give adjustments to and also everyone is in the loop and can contribute right away if something is needed, don't have to hunt guys down and all that.
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Post by PSS on Nov 20, 2017 20:49:27 GMT -6
Defensively we have 2 in the box, one that communicates down, distance, formation, and watches the front. The other coach in the box watches the back end. DC, Secondary coach, DL coach have headsets. Because we are multiple up front each coach is responsible for making calls.
Offensively 2 in the box, one is the QB coach co-OC and the other is assistant OL. On the field the HC has one that flips back and forth from O to D but rarely goes on D. OL, RB, and Rec coaches have headsets. Don't ask me why the Rec coach has one, were a flexbone offense.
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Post by agap on Nov 20, 2017 22:00:22 GMT -6
At the last school I was at, the OC, WR coach, and OL coach had headsets and communicated.
Defensively, I had one as DC and the DB coach. In the past four seasons though, I ended up not wearing one about halfway through the season because I liked it better not having one. I could always think better when I didn't have people talking; we'd communicate in between series. That's just what I prefer though.
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Post by adawg2302 on Nov 20, 2017 22:09:58 GMT -6
We have 5 on field head-sets; only 4 on field coaches wear them. 1 guy in box. HC, OC, DC, OL coach. A couple other assistants choose to not wear the 5th one. HC flips from O to D channel accordingly. Our box coach is great so it is nice to have his immediate input on everything.
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Post by 33coach on Nov 20, 2017 23:26:17 GMT -6
As I go through my end of the evaluation, one of the things suggested in the coaches' survey was that we reassess who gets to wear a head set during the game. Basically this boiled down to improving communication (in game) and game planning (who is involved). What determines who has a head set and what do they (get to) say? What are you looking for in the form of feedback? How many is TOO many? Thanks i think it depends on team composition for me: if your HC is a coordinator as well. 3 headsets is more then enough chatter: HC, Coordinator, DB coach if your HC is just an HC then 4: HC, OC, DC, DB Coach
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Post by murdr on Nov 21, 2017 1:30:06 GMT -6
I agree with the guys that said everybody, but mute those that shouldn't talk. That way, no coordinators running down position coaches trying to relay what their unit is seeing out there.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 21, 2017 5:33:42 GMT -6
The staff I am on now has only five coaches so we all wear one. Our hc flips back and forth. I am a rambler so I like when he’s not on my side. He’s a pretty good play caller and sometimes he will ask what he should call. I coach the offensive line so I say power every time. The problem is sometimes he listens. The other problem is sometimes it’s 3rd and 14.
On some staffs headsets are like cameras or microphones, people change when they’re on. I would prefer not to wear a head set if I am on the field. In the box it’s a necessary evil.
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Post by coachklee on Nov 21, 2017 5:52:52 GMT -6
I’m our DC. I like having at least 1-2 guys in my ear reminding me about things such as D & D, calling something besides base or squeeze, opponent personnel changes & most importantly how our guys are playing up front (I watch the DL / OLB on the near side while they watch the far side from the booth.
I either made a straight base call or a squeeze call over 1/2 the time so knowing if I guy played the correct technique & played hard is the most important thing. I can’t recall ever having too much noise to not be able to think besides asking, “What the phuk is our DL / LB / DB thinking!?!”
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Post by coachklee on Nov 21, 2017 5:56:04 GMT -6
The staff I am on now has only five coaches so we all wear one. Our hc flips back and forth. I am a rambler so I like when he’s not on my side. He’s a pretty good play caller and sometimes he will ask what he should call. I coach the offensive line so I say power every time. The problem is sometimes he listens. The other problem is sometimes it’s 3rd and 14. On some staffs headsets are like cameras or microphones, people change when they’re on. I would prefer not to wear a head set if I am on the field. In the box it’s a necessary evil. Did you pick it up? Mid-Triple & Counter are solid 3rd & 14 play calls for us if the game is 1 score or less difference. Probably just as good as chance of converting as any pass play we have & slightly safer.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 21, 2017 6:13:11 GMT -6
The staff I am on now has only five coaches so we all wear one. Our hc flips back and forth. I am a rambler so I like when he’s not on my side. He’s a pretty good play caller and sometimes he will ask what he should call. I coach the offensive line so I say power every time. The problem is sometimes he listens. The other problem is sometimes it’s 3rd and 14. On some staffs headsets are like cameras or microphones, people change when they’re on. I would prefer not to wear a head set if I am on the field. In the box it’s a necessary evil. Did you pick it up? Mid-Triple & Counter are solid 3rd & 14 play calls for us if the game is 1 score or less difference. Probably just as good as chance of converting as any pass play we have & slightly safer. We did a few times actually. But I always felt bad the times we didn't. There's nothing better in football than a well blocked run play.
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Post by **** on Nov 21, 2017 8:16:33 GMT -6
We only have 6 guys on staff so we all wear one.
I'd rather it be 3. Me (DC) HC/OC, a defensive guy on the sideline I can talk to because I am in the box.
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Post by goldenbull70 on Nov 21, 2017 8:22:43 GMT -6
We have 11 coaches on staff. We have a 2 up and 5 down setup. The head coach who is also the dc wears one, our dline guy wears one and the linebacker coach who is in the box. On the offensive side, we have the oc, myself (oline) and wr coach and our qb coach who is in the box. On the offensive side unless needed the wr coach and I stay muted unless we are needed for something.
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Post by MICoach on Nov 21, 2017 9:55:17 GMT -6
We have 10 coaches, 8 have headsets. Offense and Defense on different lines, four each. OC/QB and RB coaches in box with OL and WR on the field signaling plays and personnel changes and communicating adjustments to players between series. Defense has the DB coach and OLB coach in the box with DL and HC/DC/ILBs on field. HC switches to offensive channel occasionally to tell us we're in four down territory or something.
I can't speak for the defensive staff but as an offense we talk quite a bit about potential adjustments when the team is on defense. We have Hudl Sideline so show any players not on the field anything that needs to be changed and talk about potential changes. I catch myself talking too much sometimes and try to limit it, but it's a bit of a roundtable discussion most of the time.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 21, 2017 11:14:29 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind if 40 people had one to listen, but to actually be able to talk? I think that can't be more than 4- can it? 2 up top and 2 on the field?
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Nov 23, 2017 23:44:50 GMT -6
We have a 7 man set, got them before we were hired would have gotten hme 5 man not the crap-a-phone but I digress, small school small staff so everyone has them. 2 up and 5 down all same channel since we play both ways and coach both ways. Lucky that our guys know their role and who talks and who doesn't. The guys who don't need to talk usually leave their mics up until myself, hc, or other guy in box needs something from them. Gets crazy every now and then but a good shut the phuk up!!!! Usually clams it dow. Again we are fortunate that our HC wants input and asks for it but also that guys know when to talk and not to talk. Nice to have guys on the headsets too who we can give adjustments to and also everyone is in the loop and can contribute right away if something is needed, don't have to hunt guys down and all that. You make good points. I say you can have as many on headsets as you want as long as they allow for it. We all know guys who talk a bit more than they should on game night. As long as you can keep people talking when they are needed, instead of just eating up air time, then you can have a lot of guys on radio. Also, guys have to learn how to either take their set off or at very least turn the mic up if they are just talking to one other person about something that not everybody needs to hear. Seems like there's a fight every year when someone is telling an OL kid how to make a block and nobody else can communicate during this teaching session, haha. But this is just a problem with our set because you don't have to push a button to talk. But I think I'd go back to pushing a button, or get better with different channels, etc. the next time we buy headsets.
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Nov 23, 2017 23:48:51 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind if 40 people had one to listen, but to actually be able to talk? I think that can't be more than 4- can it? 2 up top and 2 on the field? This is a GREAT point. I would like everyone to have one to listen. We have what I'd call a fairly large staff, so relaying stuff gets tough sometimes. There's times I won't hear the play and I can't watch what I need to very well because I'm trying to read guards to figure out what's being run, haha. Had an OC for a while that had what I thought was a great idea. He wore a double ear headset down on the field. He turned the volume all the way down so when people talked he didn't hear anything. But, when he said the play, everyone could hear it. Also, having the headset on kept people from trying to give him damn suggestions haha.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 24, 2017 9:59:01 GMT -6
This year:
SL:...OL--ST/QB..LB ........\____|____/ PB:........RB
Which would have been ok actually except neither playcaller was on the headset so calls had to be made, signalled by the playcaller, those signals then read and interpreted and relayed back to RB trying to frantically track what was going on. Then the fifth headset was working we also used
SL:...OL---LB---ST/QB .......|__/..\__| PB:...RB....... DB
Which was a mess because our QB coach had defensive chatter all game and the DB coach was a poor spotter.
Best setup we ever had was:
SL:.....OL2...QB---HC---DB2....RB ............|.......|__/....\___|.....| PB:.....OL1...OC.........DC......DB1
The only complaint here was often needing to scream at the HC to get off your channel because he was yelling at the refs. Having the spare channels allowed you to have an aside with a player.
Miscellaneous valuable lessons learned:
1 ear in the booth, 2 on the sideline. I have no idea why this is so hard for many coaches to comprehend. You should be able to talk to people in the booth and you should have external noise blocked on the sidelines.\
2. Don't put screamers on the headset. If you're yelling at the ref you're clogging the channel.
3. Read the instructions for maintaining the headsets and follow them religiously.
4. Make a clear plan before he season of who has what headsets where during games. You can make changes if needed but have some kind of plan.
5. Have someone designated as Lord and Master of the headsets, entirely responsible for their maintenance, charging, transportation, setup, distribution, acollection, and storage. Nobody does jack to those headsets without his approval.
6. Don't change the configuration game to game without some compelling reason.
7. Test and practice them. You can even go so far as to set up a mock game: put a game on TV in two different rooms and split up the pressbox and sideline people. You'll get a feel for how to communicate effectively.
8. Anything more than three people talking on a single channel is pure madness.
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 24, 2017 11:47:15 GMT -6
As I go through my end of the evaluation, one of the things suggested in the coaches' survey was that we reassess who gets to wear a head set during the game. Basically this boiled down to improving communication (in game) and game planning (who is involved). What determines who has a head set and what do they (get to) say? What are you looking for in the form of feedback? How many is TOO many? Thanks In answering your question, I will list what we did on the College level. On the High School level, you scale this back some, and how much is up to you: PRESS BOX TO FIELD COMMUNICATION (GAME) HEAD COACH: 1. HEADSET (WITH OC & RB COACH) 2. MAKE ALL KICKING GAME DECISIONS 3. INJURY REPORT FROM TRAINER (INFORM COORDINATORS) 4. DETERMINE PROBLEM AREAS WITH COACHES 5. TRY TO DETERMINE OPPONENT’S STRATEGY FIELD – RB COACH 1. PHONE TO OC 2. PLAY TO QB 3. PERSONNEL GROUPINGS 4. BACK SUBSTITUTIONS 5. INJURY REPORT FROM TRAINER 6. ONSIDE PREVENT 7. KO RETURN – DEEP BACKS – BACK WEDGE 8. PAT/FG – RIGHT SIDE 9. TALK TO OFFENSE ON FIELD FIELD – OL COACH 1. PHONE TO TE/OT COACH IN PRESS BOX & OFFENSIVE/G.A. ON FIELD 2. BENCH ORGANIZATION 3. OL SUBSTITUTION PRESS BOX – WR COACH 1. PHONE WITH OC 2. WR SUBSTITUTION 3. VIEW COVERAGES (CHART) PRESS BOX – OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR/QB COACH 1. PHONE TO RB COACH 2. CALL PLAYS 3. QB SUBSTITUTION 4. TALK TO OFFENSIVE TEAM (HALFTIME) 5. CHECKS PRESS BOX – TE COACH 1. PHONE TO OL COACH & OFFENSIVE G.A. ON FIELD 2. TE SUBSTITUTION 3. VIEW TE & TT 4. DRAW FRONTS/BLITZES (HALF TIME) 5. KO RETURN – FRONT WEDGE 6. PAT/FG – LEFT SIDE 7. DRIVE CHART FIELD – OFFENSIVE GRADUATE ASSISTANT 1. PHONE WITH OL COACH & TE COACH 2. VIEW C & G (TE SIDE) 3. TIME SNAPPERS ON PAT/FG 4. PUNT RETURN ALIGNMENT
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