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Post by adawg2302 on Nov 11, 2017 13:39:55 GMT -6
Coaches,
I put this on the general board, so more people would see it...if it belongs somewhere else, please move it. Thanks.
I have never played the same opponent twice in one year. This year we will play same opponent twice in a 1 month span. Any advice on how to approach the game (do you adjust game plan at all, keep same game plan if worked, etc...)? Keep what worked, fix what didn't, etc...?
Any advice is appreciated, thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 14:04:41 GMT -6
Stay to what you do best make small adjustments etc...
A few years ago we played the same opponent 2 weeks in a row because of the way the schedule fell
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Post by agap on Nov 11, 2017 14:17:33 GMT -6
If you gameplanned correctly the first time, you should be able to keep most of the gameplan the second time you play that team. You'll probably have to make a few adjustments though.
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 11, 2017 15:12:36 GMT -6
We once played the same opponent in the 10th game of the season for league championship, the 14th game for the conference championship, and they were our first opponent of the following season.
Didn't change a thing and won all three games.
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Post by **** on Nov 11, 2017 18:36:58 GMT -6
If I'm better than them I probably won't change anything.
If I'm not better or think they might figure out how to counter it then I will practice a back up plan and use if needed.
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Post by CoachHess on Nov 13, 2017 21:06:16 GMT -6
Played two teams twice this year.
Went 2-0 against one. We were better and changed very little.
Went 0-2 against the other. They are playing in semi-state this weekend. Changed a lot. They were better and smoked us both times.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 21, 2017 12:37:00 GMT -6
We played a team the last week of he regular season and week 2 of the playoffs. We won 41-0 the first time. We didn’t change anything the second time around. I think the final ended up 41-14 but not that close.
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Post by joelee on Nov 21, 2017 12:54:35 GMT -6
We just got knocked out of the playoffs by a team we beat in the regular season. It has happened to me 3 times in 25 years. Far more often we win both games. The way playoffs are structured we have 1 or 2 rematches every year.
We lost 2 starters to injury since we played last. They made a lot of adjustments and we had to as well. When you are coaching HS kids you are either getting better or worse every day. You aren't the same team all the time because you aren't coaching robots.
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Post by olcoach53 on Nov 21, 2017 13:13:33 GMT -6
We did it once before. Clocked them in week 2 42-7 and then faced them again in the Quarterfinals and lost 36-26.
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Post by sweep26 on Nov 21, 2017 13:18:22 GMT -6
We used to do this at the Juco level.
If the talent is anywhere near equal, having the right attitude/mindset in game #2 is typically a huge component in determining who wins the 2nd time around. It's probably much more important than your X's & O's strategy. If you won the first game, you best be extremely aware of overconfidence in your troops. A win in game #1 can easily lead to a lackadaisical attitude for everyone concerned, in both preparation and on your level of intensity on game day.
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Post by agame on Nov 21, 2017 13:34:27 GMT -6
Common place here in England. We play teams twice each regular season, sometimes we can play a team 3 times....and just like happened last year we can and do play teams back to back.
not much fun..
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Nov 21, 2017 13:47:22 GMT -6
Common place here in England. We play teams twice each regular season, sometimes we can play a team 3 times....and just like happened last year we can and do play teams back to back. not much fun.. In Sweden, thanks to a tournament, we played the same opponent 3 times within the span of 3 weeks. It was an interesting experience. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 14:14:58 GMT -6
Coaches, I put this on the general board, so more people would see it...if it belongs somewhere else, please move it. Thanks. I have never played the same opponent twice in one year. This year we will play same opponent twice in a 1 month span. Any advice on how to approach the game (do you adjust game plan at all, keep same game plan if worked, etc...)? Keep what worked, fix what didn't, etc...? Any advice is appreciated, thanks! I've done it twice, when the playoff seeding had us playing a conference opponent in the first round. Coincidentally enough, it was the same opponent in all 4 games at the same stadium. It's a tough spot. If you keep the same game plan that worked, you better ask yourself why it worked and what adjustments the opponent has probably looked at making to attack it the second time around. You also need to be prepared for them to throw you a big curve that you haven't seen. The first time this happened, we were dominating a very good I formation team up front in the rematch after they'd worn us out on the ground the first time around... until they came out in the 4th quarter and put 8 and 9 men on the LOS with 5 and 6 man surfaces and started running zone read at us. We were cool with adjusting to unbalanced sets by shifting over a man, but that one still left us outflanked on the edge and left us scratching our heads for ways to adjust on the final couple of drives as they put us away. In games like this, if the teams are fairly even talent-wise, I feel like the advantage goes to the loser of the first one. They've had some time to compose themselves and reformulate something new, while the previous winner is likely to stay a lot more with what worked. The opposing players are also more likely to be overconfident and not put in their best effort, while the others will be more focused and eager for a rematch. |
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Post by PSS on Nov 21, 2017 14:27:13 GMT -6
Played 2 teams twice last year. Both teams were in our district. Lost to both in district play. Beat one of them in the third round of the playoffs and lost to the other in the fourth round. The team we lost to went on to play for the state championship two weeks later.
For the team we beat we changed up our defense to stop the cut back in their running game. For the other game is was a matter of not having the athletes to match up.
There is a good chance that we could meet up with either on again this year in the fourth round. BTW, we beat both of them this year in the regular season.
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Post by dabartee on Nov 21, 2017 18:16:17 GMT -6
All the teams in our district are in the top 10 every year. So we played 1 team twice already. Ince in the reg and once in the playoffs. And the team we play in the state championship we played in the reg season. Only loss
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 22, 2017 7:53:29 GMT -6
I don't know if I've ever coached a season without playing a team twice. It's not THAT different. You obviously fix things that were a consistent issue but for the most part you prepare like normal. Your gameplan likely won't look very different from the first one.
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Post by dytmook on Nov 22, 2017 8:05:02 GMT -6
Played a team week 10. Lost 34-6 in a soaked rain game. Played them the next week in week 1 of the playoffs. Won 49-28.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Nov 22, 2017 8:51:20 GMT -6
A big part of it is psychological. It's very tough to beat the same team twice in 1 season for that very reason. The 2 times I have experienced this, we lost in the regular season and won in the playoffs. If you won the first time, you must be sure your kids are up and don't take them lightly, especially if you win big. If you lost the 1st time, you need to point out the things you did well the 1st time and talk about how you're a better team now than you were then.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Nov 22, 2017 9:53:02 GMT -6
Take your best offensive base play vs them the first game and have a trick play off of it.
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Post by kcbazooka on Nov 23, 2017 8:44:52 GMT -6
We played the same team weeks 9 and 10 three years in a row and the next year in weeks 9 and 11. One year we made major changes as the opponent had won and rushed for way too many yards. One year we saved our version for the swinging gate until the second game. But since we played each other so late in the year there usually wasn't too much change. By that time in the season we had scouted each other a bunch.
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 23, 2017 21:38:12 GMT -6
Coaches, I put this on the general board, so more people would see it...if it belongs somewhere else, please move it. Thanks. I have never played the same opponent twice in one year. This year we will play same opponent twice in a 1 month span. Any advice on how to approach the game (do you adjust game plan at all, keep same game plan if worked, etc...)? Keep what worked, fix what didn't, etc...? Any advice is appreciated, thanks! As many have said, it will be only relevant to your situation. So this is what I have been around. Playing in the toughest region, seeing a region opponent down the road in the playoffs: It is nothing like the first game. Usually one team or the other has gotten better or worse. Injuries play a roll. You can learn from how they want to play you -- Even front/Odd front; trap/sweep; etc..... but mostly it's about what most have said here Manage the 'we won/we lost' game. Nothing else matters in terms of the actual week you're are playing. |
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Post by adawg2302 on Nov 25, 2017 14:11:44 GMT -6
Thanks for all the replies, suggestions, experiences, etc...ended up losing by 6. We won the in game battles, they won the war. We didn't change much (couple tweaks/disguises, conceptually kept everything the same) and still had the same success. Hope everyone had a great season!
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Post by coacht2210 on Nov 27, 2017 12:48:22 GMT -6
I've had this happen to me a few times. If you played poorly the first time, I think it's easier. It is difficult to prepare for a team the second time around if you played well the first time (assuming that both teams have somewhat equal talent).
Two years ago I was an OC and we played pretty good offensively in our season finale (500+ yards, 42 points. 2 offensive fumbles and a KOR fumble lead to our demise). We drew the same team the next week in the playoffs.
I had a hard time gameplanning for them the second time. We came up with a few wrinkles but had a hard time "guessing" about what they would do different.
The way the game played out: They adjusted to some things we hit in the first game. We still moved the ball well but not enough to win.
The other team was physical upfront and we were able to run it fairly well the first time. Attacked them with formations into the boundary. Some unbalanced. Some 2 TE we hadn't shown. We had zero success with these the second time around. In hindsight I wished we didn't even try to use these sets again.
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Post by coachmonkey on Dec 1, 2017 9:56:26 GMT -6
We did it once before. Clocked them in week 2 42-7 and then faced them again in the Quarterfinals and lost 36-26. We had the same. Beat them first time, lost second time. It's hard to convince kids they can lose to a team they beat handidly. Also, the losing team can try an entirely new gameplan because they lost. So I think the losing team has the advantage if they can convince their kids they had a shot but blew first time around. |
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Post by jg78 on Dec 2, 2017 4:25:56 GMT -6
I am 6-3 in rematches. I am 3-0 in rematches we won the first time. I am 3-3 in rematches we lost the first time with all six of those games coming against teams that were either undefeated state champions or would have been if we hadn't beaten them in the championship. That last point is kind of neat and I hadn't thought about it until this thread.
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