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Post by coachfoster16 on Nov 6, 2017 10:52:46 GMT -6
So our team had a bad season this past year, offensively we were really good (especially compared to the school's historical scoring output, we avg 28 a game). Only won 1 game. We have several key players that are saying that are not going to play next year. I know every coach says "we are not going to beg them to play."
Being the OC, two of these players are juniors that will be hard(if not impossible) to replace with our crop coming up. I have talked to both players, one seems pretty set on transferring to another school. The other seems set on quitting, because "football just isn't fun anymore."
Probably nothing I can do. Probably a pointless post, just airing out frustration.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 6, 2017 10:55:39 GMT -6
Control what you can control. You can't control the kids jumping ship. Probably better off.
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Post by mattharris75 on Nov 6, 2017 11:16:48 GMT -6
We talked one of those guys into coming back last season. He poisoned the well. Wasn't bought in, had a cavalier and entitled attitude, and drug other guys down with him. Every situation is different, but I'd let them go.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 6, 2017 11:27:17 GMT -6
Unfortunately, you are better off if those guys aren't out for ball and chasing them won't do you much good. Everyone is discouraged after a one-win season but these kinds of extrinsically/outcome motivated kids just aren't good for a program. In order to be successful, you need kids that love to play football enough to shake off a bad season to come back and play.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 6, 2017 12:04:03 GMT -6
I don't think I've ever talked a kid back into playing that ended up being a huge asset. A role player, sure, but nothing that couldn't be replicated with another kid.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 6, 2017 12:34:48 GMT -6
I would give it a little time and see if they come back around. I know there are plenty of coaches that have talked about taking a year off after a bad season. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.
Right now, even with good teams, I think players and coaches both are pretty fatigued and ready for a change in pace.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 6, 2017 12:57:10 GMT -6
Lost a d1 player. Lost a 6'3 245 mike linebacker to a 6A school where he was their best LB. Lost the number 9 kicker in the nation. Lost a WR and S who was a two time first team all state bball player.
We were 3-6 last year. Beat three poor teams. First losing season in a while.
We are 8-1 right now. Beat 5 great teams.
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Post by ahall005 on Nov 6, 2017 13:08:08 GMT -6
I think it depends on who the kid is. I talked a sophomore into playing who had never played football before and this year as a senior he was one of our best if not the best player we had and helped us make the playoffs. On the other hand a senior from last year I talked into staying after his sophomore year I probably would have been better off to not bother. If its worth it to talk em into staying depends on who they are and you likely won't know if it was a good idea or not for awhile
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Post by coachfoster16 on Nov 6, 2017 13:35:20 GMT -6
I think it depends on who the kid is. I talked a sophomore into playing who had never played football before and this year as a senior he was one of our best if not the best player we had and helped us make the playoffs. On the other hand a senior from last year I talked into staying after his sophomore year I probably would have been better off to not bother. If its worth it to talk em into staying depends on who they are and you likely won't know if it was a good idea or not for awhile I think that is what kills me about these two players specifically. One kid I have coached since he was in the 9th grade and he has turned into a really good OL. But seems to disagree with our HCs philosophies(for example - no punishment for players missing practice). I have tried to tell him to focus on getting himself better and everything will take care of itself in the end, but it seems to be to no avail. Both kids are great kids (AB honor roll, no classroom problems) and have been starting the past two years. Just tough when you have a lot of time invested in kids to see them get in a different direction. |
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Post by mattharris75 on Nov 6, 2017 13:36:38 GMT -6
Lost a d1 player. Lost a 6'3 245 mike linebacker to a 6A school where he was their best LB. Lost the number 9 kicker in the nation. Lost a WR and S who was a two time first team all state bball player. We were 3-6 last year. Beat three poor teams. First losing season in a while. We are 8-1 right now. Beat 5 great teams. One of your guys isn't the reason Central Tuscaloosa had to forfeit all those games, is he?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 13:48:15 GMT -6
So our team had a bad season this past year, offensively we were really good (especially compared to the school's historical scoring output, we avg 28 a game). Only won 1 game. We have several key players that are saying that are not going to play next year. I know every coach says "we are not going to beg them to play." Being the OC, two of these players are juniors that will be hard(if not impossible) to replace with our crop coming up. I have talked to both players, one seems pretty set on transferring to another school. The other seems set on quitting, because "football just isn't fun anymore." Probably nothing I can do. Probably a pointless post, just airing out frustration. Give them time. The season's a grind on everyone and, at this point, they're probably still burned out. Keep in touch with the kids and focus on building those relationships. If they play other sports, go watch them play there to show your support. See who turns up in the weightroom. You honestly won't be able to gauge anything until the spring, anyway. Then have their friends on the team try and talk any quitters into coming back if you feel they're worth having around. Until then, there's no sense being frustrated. You just made it through a tough year. It sounds like everyone just needs a break. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 6, 2017 14:10:53 GMT -6
Lost a d1 player. Lost a 6'3 245 mike linebacker to a 6A school where he was their best LB. Lost the number 9 kicker in the nation. Lost a WR and S who was a two time first team all state bball player. We were 3-6 last year. Beat three poor teams. First losing season in a while. We are 8-1 right now. Beat 5 great teams. One of your guys isn't the reason Central Tuscaloosa had to forfeit all those games, is he? No sir! |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 6, 2017 14:47:01 GMT -6
So our team had a bad season this past year, offensively we were really good (especially compared to the school's historical scoring output, we avg 28 a game). Only won 1 game. We have several key players that are saying that are not going to play next year. I know every coach says "we are not going to beg them to play." Being the OC, two of these players are juniors that will be hard(if not impossible) to replace with our crop coming up. I have talked to both players, one seems pretty set on transferring to another school. The other seems set on quitting, because "football just isn't fun anymore." Probably nothing I can do. Probably a pointless post, just airing out frustration. Give them time. The season's a grind on everyone and, at this point, they're probably still burned out. Keep in touch with the kids and focus on building those relationships. If they play other sports, go watch them play there to show your support. See who turns up in the weightroom. You honestly won't be able to gauge anything until the spring, anyway. Then have their friends on the team try and talk any quitters into coming back if you feel they're worth having around. Until then, there's no sense being frustrated. You just made it through a tough year. It sounds like everyone just needs a break. You make some great points. The truth is, if guys (players AND coaches) get their ass handed to them all season most of them are going to re-evaluate when the season is over. Maybe they think about doing it at another school or maybe they consider hanging it up altogether. If a guy is completely okay with a losing season he's probably not doing much to help the program. Guys that are competitive don't want to be part of dumpster fire. If you're going to chase them you might want to tell them why it's going to be different next year. Don't lie to them, though. What actually will be different? Why should they come back? Give them a little time to decompress before you go after them. With the benefit of time, people tend to remember the good and forget the bad. |
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Post by freezeoption on Nov 6, 2017 18:35:58 GMT -6
Don't worry about the ones leaving, worry about the ones you got. If there gone then don't let the handle hit them in the ass.
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Post by dubber on Nov 6, 2017 19:05:44 GMT -6
Kids are emotional and short sighted.
Give them time.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 6, 2017 21:55:49 GMT -6
I might add that you could wait and approach them later over the winter after the emotions of the season have subsided.
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