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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Jul 22, 2006 7:52:56 GMT -6
I had read a post to a different thread similar to this. There was no response to it, so I am going to start a thread dedicated to this subject.
How does a spread team effectively scout in a conference that is strictly power (1 off-set I, 2 wing-t, 2 split back, 3 straight-I, & 2 wishbone)? We are going to the one-back spread (2 x 2, 3 x 1, & bunch) this season. What are the top priorities in film study? What do you include in the scouting report? How do anticipate the defensive front, coverage, and down-distance philosophy? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Post by coachjd on Jul 22, 2006 8:06:07 GMT -6
we run into the same conflict each week. We look at the other teams personel and see how we can take advantage of them. We look at their base defense and try to fit it to our formations. We also spend time each week working vs all coverages and different fronts because there will be times that the team you are playing will play a defense that you have not seen them in. We have a team in our league that plays a reduced 50 vs every other team in our league. When they play us they have been 4-4, 4-3 and 3-5 each of the last 3 years. So you must be ready for anything and everything. We talk to our kids about it each week and let them know not to wet the bed if they see a defense or a coverage that we did not see on film. Good luck coach.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 22, 2006 8:35:48 GMT -6
It is very difficult. We used to never see a team against a spread. Right now we will usually see a team versus some spread, but many times they come out in something different against us. We scouted a team that only ran man to man all season. Against us they came out in 4 deep. We have had teams that have been 3 deep forever and then come out in cover 2/4. The whole weeks gameplan is out the window. But this is usually an advantage to us because we are prepared for anything and they aren't. Have you base ready for it all and then go formations and motions. If they haven't seen the spread much or just put something in, this is more than enough for them to handle. Especially a new formation!
My main suggestion is to be ready for anything. While that sounds impossible and unrealistic there really are only a few things youu need to be ready for.
I know that you probably know this, but I am going to put it down anyways. There are six coverages we prepare for cover 0(blitz),1,2,3,4,5(2 man). There are 8 fronts we prepare for 6(blitz),5-1,4-2 strong, 4-2 weak, 3-3, 4-1 strong, 4-1 weak, 3-2.
Now you can simplify this greatly. We never see cover 0 (unless blitz and we still very rarely see it) or cover 5 in games. Cover 2 and cover 4 can be attacked in roughly the same way and many times they line up the same anyways.
This narrows it down to cover 1,2,3. Or man, 2 deep, and 3 deep. It really can be that simple.
We never see a 6 man front or 5-1 (if you do just run outside, sprint out, or screen). The 4-2 strong and 4-1 strong are very similar for the line. The 4-2 weak and 4-1 weak are very similar for the line. The 3-3 and 3-2 are very similar to the line.
This narrows the fronts to 4-2 strong, 4-2 weak, and 3-3.
You now have 3 coverages and 3 fronts to block. The others you probably will not see or are just minor variations that can be treated the same effectively with almost no preparation.
The last thing to be ready for is blitz. Screen, shallow, go/flat, sprint out, trap, option are all great answers to the blitz and probably some of the things you already do.
I know that did not answer your question. Just practice the basic things a little every week unless you know what the other D is going to do. Otherwise look for personnel mismatches, basic coverages and basic fronts. Look for things like do they come upfield or read. Call some other teams. I wish I had a better answer.
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Post by djwesp on Jul 22, 2006 14:23:36 GMT -6
Expect to see a lot of "umbrella" zone coverage.
That is what we do, and most of the 3 back teams in the conference do when seeing the spread.
We have faith that 8/10 if the team is passing we can drop enough people into coverage to mess up the QB.
I'd recommend running, ironically, against these defenses. Why? They will prepare for the pass most of the time against you, will not be disciplined on mis direction plays, and the safeties will pull up for the pass game.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Jul 22, 2006 19:28:19 GMT -6
Thanks guys--good stuff.
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