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Post by throwahitch on Oct 31, 2017 9:37:17 GMT -6
I am sure that no coach in the history of coaching has ever felt like they needed to be replaced, or that they werent doing a good job. That being said, on the outside looking in, do you think having a program for over 4 years, around the same talent level for years. You have won 5 games in 5 years. They were better before you came in, and it always looks disorganized. Would you say its time to go?
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 31, 2017 9:54:28 GMT -6
Are you asking for yourself?
I would be lying if I didn't think that someone else might do a better job where I am...but would that someone else take this position. A program that has a .250 winning percentage in the last 40 years with only 3 play- off appearances in the last 15 years.
And who is judging the talent level? and looks disorganized?
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Post by Defcord on Oct 31, 2017 10:00:06 GMT -6
I was not a great head coach at all. I told them when I resigned I wasn't the right guy for the job and I wish I could have done more to advance the program than I did. That being said I treated the players right and worked my butt off. I am honest enough to know that being a head coach doesn't fit who I am. I don't ever want to be a head coach again but I think I am a pretty darn good assistant coach.
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Post by blb on Oct 31, 2017 10:01:51 GMT -6
I am sure that no coach in the history of coaching has ever felt like they needed to be replaced, or that they werent doing a good job. That being said, on the outside looking in, do you think having a program for over 4 years, around the same talent level for years. You have won 5 games in 5 years. They were better before you came in, and it always looks disorganized. Would you say its time to go? I would like to say that if I had only won five games in five years that I would lead the parade out of town.
Also that I would not want to work at a place that they didn't care enough to fire a coach with that record.
I'm not good at hypotheticals, though.
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 31, 2017 10:51:44 GMT -6
There are coaches who never have "superior" talent, but still win lots of games...sometimes over teams that do have talent. Why?
Because they out-coach their opponent.
They out-scheme, out-play call, out-clock manage...and out-"fundamental" their opponent.
Some areas always have the Jimmy's and Joe's. Its easy to win when your tools are bigger, newer, and shinier than the other guy. But the guy who only has average players and wins lots of games is the guy I want to study...and hire.
If you win 5 games in 5 years, you're not that guy.
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Post by carookie on Oct 31, 2017 11:19:05 GMT -6
There are relevant factors that are unknown here:
1) What are the key objective of athletics and the school? Maybe football players are getting better grades, staying out of trouble, and not dropping out. I have known schools where that would outweigh a winning record on the field.
2) Talent is 'around the same level' and they were 'better before you came in'- based on what metric or measurement? Has the talent level of the opponent remained exactly the same? Have there been injuries? Did they win 20 games in the previous 5 years or just 7? Once again was it against the same level of opponent? There is a lot of opinion in this part of the evaluation that we really can't judge.
3)"...it always looks disorganized." But is it? my class looks disorganized from the outside because I have a lot going on it once, but it doesn't mean it is. My team doesn't do a spell out jumping jack or a pre-practice movement routine- to some that may look disorganized.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Oct 31, 2017 11:34:10 GMT -6
Do you have an older coaching mentor in the area you can talk to about it? They probably know the school and the local politics better than we do...
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Post by freezeoption on Nov 1, 2017 18:17:35 GMT -6
Your conversation is better left with that coach.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 2, 2017 13:40:04 GMT -6
I was not a great head coach at all. I told them when I resigned I wasn't the right guy for the job and I wish I could have done more to advance the program than I did. That being said I treated the players right and worked my butt off. I am honest enough to know that being a head coach doesn't fit who I am. I don't ever want to be a head coach again but I think I am a pretty darn good assistant coach. This is me, 100%. I actually had a very good W/L record but it was entirely the result of having great kids and a great DC. I took the job as a stopgap but was glad to get out of there, I felt like there was a grizzly bear attached to me and it finally let go when the season was over.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 2, 2017 14:00:03 GMT -6
I would have been reevaluating what I was doing as a coach following the first one-win season... I wouldn't be waiting until the fifth one rolled around.
In my first HC gig, we didn't win a game that first year. The program hadn't won a game in five years but we competed with teams that year. I sat back after the end the season and came up with at least a dozen ways I could improve to help the program. We implemented those changes the next year and won 2 games which was obviously a huge improvement. BUT, we were tied with the #2 team in the state after three quarters and ended up getting blown out in the fourth. That sat in the back of my mind all year because I knew we had the talent to hang with the big dogs. So, I sat down at the end of that season and reevaluated the job I was doing keeping in mind that we almost knocked off a dynasty team. I focused on that game and came up with four things that I could implement that would have helped us win it.
But, when I looked at those four things, I had to ask myself "Will making these changes result in more wins next year?" And, I could honestly answer that question with a firm "NO". Bottom line: there were too many negative variables outside of my control that would overshadow any positives I introduced. So, I resigned.
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Post by funkfriss on Nov 3, 2017 7:57:39 GMT -6
Sounds like everybody isn't rowing in the same direction. Either the header needs to go or the assistants do.
One thing I do know from experience; a head coach can't succeed without good assistants.
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