coachf
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Post by coachf on Mar 9, 2007 9:31:17 GMT -6
seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/305898_booban03.htmlGarbage. Just another attempt at complete Political Correctness. I think that booing is fine. I think over the line things, should be handled by administrators. This looks like an attempt to save their butts instead of standing up and taking action. Now, instead of asking someone to stop or remove them from the game, they can use a ban to do the talking for them. What do you guys think?
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Post by wingt74 on Mar 9, 2007 9:39:05 GMT -6
I'm from Milwaukee...where it seems every friday night there is a b-ball game the results in a fight or some form of altercation.
The fight is a result of inappropriate "fans" (kids) acting like idiots.
And this is taking place in a gym where everyone is packed tight, with usually only one exit.
No booing? yeah, for these idiots. As a matter of fact, no talking, no nothing, except clapping of hands. If you have to go pee, or leave your seat for any reason, goodbye, go home.
No, in NORMAL circumstances. This legislation is absurd. BUT, I bet it's in response to the same situation we face in Milwaukee where you can't have 50 on duty cops babysitting a HS b-ball game.
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Post by playfast on Mar 9, 2007 9:45:56 GMT -6
It's a terrible what is happening in high school sports. It seems whenever their is a big game their seems to be a problem with the fans.
As for booing hey it is their right they want the team to do well and I guess they paid their money. the problem is when the fans go from booing to verbal bashing coaches and players.
Heck this year I had fans yell the usual coaches stink, turn the page, nice play guys, etc. but eventually they started yelling at individual kids. The best part is the parents of these kids are sitting right there. No wonder we see adults fighting. I wonder what high school sports is going to be in 20 years.
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 9, 2007 10:04:38 GMT -6
Stupidest thing I've ever seen...
Aren't sports supposed to build character by testing yourself in the face of adversity? What is more mentally challenging than trying to sink a couple free-throws with 1000 students booing you, or trying to make a last minute 4th quarter comeback as a QB on the road with 1000 students screaming and booing you as you try to succeed?
We are going to be turning kids into bigger crybabies than they already are...
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Mar 9, 2007 10:22:46 GMT -6
I agree cqmiller and I know as a player and especially as a coach I have had some crazy, horrible things said to me. I have even had a guy want to fight me over completely trivial things.
We always rip on kids, but really parents suck today. We are trying to remove anything harmful, because parents can't step up and be a role model or discipline.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 9, 2007 10:48:34 GMT -6
So would that rule apply to a coach booing his team from the press box........not to say I ever have....just wondering for reference........ya know just in case......  |
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Post by coachm on Mar 9, 2007 11:07:36 GMT -6
We have hs basketball games where no fans are allowed because of the inevitable ensuing altercations. you would think it was a soccer match in England!  |
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Post by Yash on Mar 9, 2007 12:10:49 GMT -6
We need to be sensitive to the feelings of our athletes. While we are taking things out of sports we should remove all scoreboards from sporting venues, and play just for fun. Football will not allow tacking anymore and not even flags. There will not be any means of getting a player down in football. Every play will be a Touchdown to ensure that everyone feels good about themselves. We are really creating a soft society now days. How is a kid going to react when he gets out of high school and finds out that not everyone likes you and that life is tougher than a high school basketball game. stupid rule from an ever increasing society filled with the everyone wins no one loses mindset.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 9, 2007 12:28:19 GMT -6
We always rip on kids, but really parents suck today. We are trying to remove anything harmful, because parents can't step up and be a role model or discipline.
Parents or adults comprise about 90% of our poor fan behavior at games. Of all the people we've thrown out at games- not one has been a student (1 recent graduate; we've only thrown out 5 people or so in 4 years, none in the last 2 years). Legislation is a bit over the top, and I have no problem with typical fan behavior (booing, chanting, etc.), but $4 does not entitle anyone to be a badgering, threatening, intimidating a$$.
I always think it is a bad idea to make anything law that really is not enforceable. Our state has recommendations for schools which we follow for the most part, plus we've added some of our own. We have sportsmanship awards per game, tournaments, etc. Sportsmanship conferences (with administrators, coaches, athletes and community members), expectations displayed and announced... some of those things are kind of corny (hey, it's Nebraska), and they don't eliminate the problems, but seem to help a little bit.
Legislation to "end booing" seems like it will cause more problems than it will amend (makes a mountain out of a molehill, hard to enforce, might affect gate, etc.) Let individual schools, districts or conferences handle their own... unless they can not, then state assoc. can step in (sounds kind of like NCLB...fix everything, whether broken or not)
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 9, 2007 12:52:40 GMT -6
I fully support any form of booing. As long as it is directed solely at coachf.
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Mar 9, 2007 13:01:35 GMT -6
I fully support any form of booing. As long as it is directed solely at coachf. If "your people" are booing at me, then I fully support your notion. That would mean we are winning. If my people boo, then that means nothing. Because most people here can't even speak a simple sentence, so a combination of more than one letter sound is pretty impressive. |
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Post by fad3d on Mar 9, 2007 13:06:00 GMT -6
Welcome to my world, where in Washington the Governor only has to win 1 of 3 ballot counts and can ammend our state Constitution to tax us without our approval. And now this. They seem to think they know whats best for us, but never listen to us.
I love my State, but I hate it's government.
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 9, 2007 14:39:25 GMT -6
I love my State, but I hate it's government. Kind of like my state... I love Utah....but I HATE Utahns |
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Post by airman on Mar 9, 2007 15:48:28 GMT -6
milwaukee wi is a haven for brawls. just had one a few weeks ago.
I do not like it but we also have come to a era where fans and players think they can do anything they want. a era were lack of emotional control is king of the day.
I once to a verbal beating by this parent. I mean he was yelling every bad word you could think. I was concerned by it until the police stepped in.
fans think they can say and do because they pay for a ticket.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Mar 9, 2007 16:06:17 GMT -6
Forbidding people to boo?
What a dumb idea!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by coachjoe3 on Mar 9, 2007 16:08:52 GMT -6
They seem to think they know whats best for us, but never listen to us. I love my State, but I hate it's government. Right on. |
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 9, 2007 16:13:29 GMT -6
You want to know what I think of this idea? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  |
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Post by CVBears on Mar 9, 2007 17:10:01 GMT -6
When are they going to completely take away our freedom of speech?
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Post by airman on Mar 9, 2007 18:03:22 GMT -6
When are they going to completely take away our freedom of speech? do people deserve free speech is the question. Should a parent be allowed to berate a coach like many of them do. or how about the assults. lack of personal responsiblity is the reasons these laws are be inacted. failure to discipline ones self. |
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Post by coachjoe3 on Mar 9, 2007 20:09:40 GMT -6
IMO, booing isn't necessarily the same as berating officials, coaches with obscenities. To me there's a difference . . . but I see how other people would disagree.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Mar 9, 2007 20:09:49 GMT -6
To quote Peyton:
"They're not saying "BOOOOO".......they're saying "MOOOOOVERS"."
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Post by optioncoach on Mar 9, 2007 22:13:33 GMT -6
I'm with airman on this I think. I coach in a state where it is a state activities rule forbidding unruly behavior and encouraging good sportsmanship. Kids and fans are not supposed to yell during free throws and so forth. At my school, we actually enforce it, even though other school's administrators often don't. Personally, I think it makes us better.
And, I don't think just because you pay to get in means you can say and do whatever you want. If all people did was boo, no one would care, but it never stops there.
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kdcoach
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Post by kdcoach on Mar 9, 2007 22:29:22 GMT -6
Parents are the reason that the best place to coach any sport is at an orphanage... |
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Post by CVBears on Mar 9, 2007 23:17:28 GMT -6
do people deserve free speech is the question... I think that freedom of speech is one of of the most important freedoms we have as americans. It would be scary to think of the world we would live in with out it. Obviously assaults are way beyond appropriate behavior, and yes, words are usually exchanged before fists fly. It is just my opinion that banning/controlling the words that people can say is taking things too far. |
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Post by Yash on Mar 10, 2007 2:03:01 GMT -6
there is a difference between berating using vulgar words and booing. Even a little razzing as long as it stays clean isn't bad.
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Post by dblwngr on Mar 10, 2007 14:06:13 GMT -6
Parents are the reason that the best place to coach any sport is at an orphanage... LOL!!!! ;D thats classic! |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 10, 2007 16:45:03 GMT -6
Somewhat connected to the topic... In Nebraska at the State BB tournament the state association gives a sportsmanship award during the runner-up and champion medal presentation. This has been going on for several years. After the class A (largest class) game, no award was given. That may be a first. I know it has a fairly involved scoring system (with both positive and negative points assigned for various things). Apparently, no school had a positive score.
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Post by fbdoc on Mar 10, 2007 21:43:11 GMT -6
Coaching at a Christian school, we have it a little bit different. Our kids may offer a quick "Boooo" in responce to a ref's call but most of our crowd noise is yelling for our kids. It's something we actively teach and coach with our students (in addition to not booing!) but I can also say that when the other school is at the free throw line with a chance to win, our kids are making enough noise (not booing) to shake the banners in the rafters. This is athletic competition, not a tea party, or a Bible Study. Let's make some noise!
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Post by khalfie on Mar 11, 2007 9:41:11 GMT -6
My friend... ;D
On another board disagrees vehemently with you guys...
The problem is that nobody is holding the idiots accountable.
The chanting has gotten out of control. It is no longer chanting -- it's TAUNTING. And, each taunt is met with another taunt. Too often, the taunts escalate and become downright personal and mean. Now, Khal, you can taunt me all you want -- and you do. But, I'm an adult and I can take it far better than a 15/16/17 year old kid can take it.
What is happening is that the taunting by organized student cheering sections is competing with the game for center stage. It is definitely detracting from what is taking place on the court or on the field. It's almost as if the kids go to the game more to taunt the opposing school/team than they do to positively support their own team and school.
I, for one, am sick of it. I would love it if the IHSA took a stand on this issue and enforced good sportsmanship in the stands. If they can do it on the field, why not in the stands?
"First of all, a 15/16/17 year old kid as you said, might as well be an adult, if they committed a crime they would most likely be tried as an adult after all.Sorry, but they aren't adults. Do some 17 year old kids have adult-like bodies? Sure they do, but they still have adolescent mentalities and psyches. Legally, emotionally, and in just about every way you can look at it, 15/16/17 year old kids are not adults.
"If they can't shut out a cheering of a crowd and control themselves, should they be in the game?"
You can expect a adult professional athlete to shut out these things. But, you cannot hold an adolescent amateur athlete to the same expectation. Please explain to me why it shouldn't be every kid's right to participate in amateur sports in general, much less high school sports in particular, without ever being the subject of a derisive chant/taunt from so-called "fans."
While you are at it, please explain at what age level you think derisive taunts at youth sporting events SHOULD be prohibited, assuming you believe they should ever be prohibited. In other words, do you believe derisive taunts are okay in high school but not the junior high level? What about middle school? T-ball?
Boy, are we far apart on this one. In my mind, the idiots in the stands are the ones being coddled by their parents and by the school (and its governing athletic association) who apparently do not have the stones to tell the kids that their negative taunting is inappropriate and will not be tolerated.
"Because most games are NOT golf or tennis. They are played with noise, and removing yourself from distraction is part of the game at all levels. I personally don't enjoy sports played in silence, I think the energy of a crowd is a large and fun factor of a game."
I agree wholeheartedly about crowd energy. But your examples of golf, tennis or sports in silence are extreme. Simply because I dislike taunting doesn't mean that I think high school sports should be played in silence. Why can't crowd energy by achieved without taunting? Taunting by organized student cheering sections is a relatively recent development. How was it that students ever created energy before taunting became so popular?
"I fully admitted that there are times where cheering and taunting can get out of control,"
So, again, at what age level in youth sports is taunting inappropriate and subject to prohibition. Why is it seemingly okay for you at the high school level, but not say, perhaps, in middle school?
"but I still strongly feel that it is not in the IHSA or any organizations purview to enact jurisdiction upon."
It is absolutely within the IHSA's and/or the schools' jurisdiction and purview to control what takes place at their sporting events! Look, if a fan in the stands is obnoxiously dropping F-bombs left and right, s/he is told to shut up and/or leave, right? So, how is that any different from an organized group of student fans obnoxiously and derisively taunting the opposing team, players and fans? Why is this okay with you???
I simply will never understand how people find this kind of behavior to be acceptable in a high school sporting event.
I think he's got you guys... but again... you've all been in aggreance, and haven't had to bring out your best stuff...
What ya got?
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Post by dblwngr on Mar 11, 2007 17:12:15 GMT -6
What are we talking about again?......Booooing or taunting?
Two totally different topics IMO.
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