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Post by tog on Jun 8, 2006 15:54:12 GMT -6
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Post by cookiemonster on Jun 8, 2006 16:24:29 GMT -6
Guys who throw out ideas that they havn't thought through.
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 8, 2006 17:25:18 GMT -6
Young coaches that don't commit to coming to meetings or doing "the little things" like the old salty coaches (I'm 33....  |
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Post by coachjd on Jun 8, 2006 17:44:23 GMT -6
the coaches who don't put the time in and when they are forced to come to a game plan meeting start throwing ideas out that are not thought out and compared to what the other team runs on offense or defense.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 8, 2006 18:08:13 GMT -6
Guys who don't put in the time, then make off the wall suggestions. Also when the same guys say we should try something different just because it is different and we have not tried it before. Then you have the ASSistant who pretends to be helping you when really he is plotting to install himself as the head coach after he turns the community against you. But that has never happened to anyone has it? Of course not.
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ci
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Post by ci on Jun 8, 2006 18:30:00 GMT -6
I'm a firm believer that 90% of all meetings are non-productive. Take scouting video for example. I want my assistants looking at the video on their own; I'm seeking their input with fresh ideas that fit our situation. We rarely watch films the first time as a staff. This includes our own games as well as scout video. Too many times assistants are going to agree with the situation as I project my input as a HC. I would rather ask them what they saw in the tape. This combined with well thought out game plans allow us to avoid the "group think" agenda. I myself miss many situations, personnel problems, and other problems because I am focused on certain personnel, tactics or other things. This includes a script for our next opponent. Most assistants know who the boss is. It's my job to allow input and take this info into consideration for a game plan or what mistakes are being made. At the same time, I want a plan of action or suggestions for improvement. If our left tackle is getting his arse kicked, what can we do….who do we put in our how can we correct the situation. If there’s a great back, what are we going to do to stop him? Do we substitute personnel…put in a back up etc. I don’t want to hear about a problem without suggestions for improvement. This concept applies to our practices and gamelans. Good assistants are hard to get; great assistants are few and far between. In my opinion, any meetings must be focused, on time and have an agenda. Anything less is a waste of time
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Post by here4thekids on Jun 8, 2006 20:03:02 GMT -6
Coaches that just talk and don't listen with an open mind. There's nothing worse to me than an ignorant coach.
Sincerely,
Coach D
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 8, 2006 20:06:14 GMT -6
Offensive coaches (or for clarification purposes- coaches who offend...)
Well, I've got a pretty good staff... so my main issues are:
1) A guy who comes in with only one ice-cream bar (what is that about?)
2) A guy who eats the last purple (or whatever color I want) popsicle.
3) Coaches who won't let the studs play on special teams without an argument (wait... that's me... never mind).
"No. It's just that.. well frankly, they're offensive. Smelling. I mean they smell bad." Customer speaking with Mr. Fabulous at the Chez Paul Restaurant
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Post by bulldog on Jun 8, 2006 21:35:49 GMT -6
I'm OK with just about anything in a meeting. My pet peeve is coaches that challenge scheme or technique on the field in front of the kids. An ignorant coach who says something like, 'it would be better if we do it this way', while I am introducing a stunt or adjustment on the field will set me off faster than anything.
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Post by playfast on Jun 9, 2006 5:24:27 GMT -6
I have a good staff thank god. A few of my buddies who are looking for young coaches are having a lot of trouble finding and retaining quality guys who want to work. A lot of guys want to wear the shirt and run out on the field but then go and party after the game saying I'm not the head coach only the assistant so it is not my job to watch the tape. I love football and respect the game and it is getting very difficult to find guys with the same passion. My staff has been together now for 5 years.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 9, 2006 5:50:04 GMT -6
I'm OK with just about anything in a meeting. My pet peeve is coaches that challenge scheme or technique on the field in front of the kids. An ignorant coach who says something like, 'it would be better if we do it this way', while I am introducing a stunt or adjustment on the field will set me off faster than anything. I don't mind a guy who does that in the office, but on the field in front of the kids...don't argue with the head coach. |
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Post by knighter on Jun 9, 2006 5:56:05 GMT -6
Guys who are not willing to do the "grunt" labor. I am a Blue Collar kinda guy, I come to work, to work. Some guys I have ha don staff want to wear the shirt on Friday night, and that is it. Give me workers, not shirkers.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 9, 2006 5:58:55 GMT -6
guys who have never worked after practice, or after november or before august...never watch a clinic film, attend a clinic, read a book, break down film, attend open gyms...but only rely on " what we used to do was..."
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 9, 2006 6:34:50 GMT -6
A coach who asks for input on what and WHY we should scheme against an opponent, then totally ignores the input and doesn't give a reason why they think it won't work. "It just won't work".
Also, a HC who is always trying to modify 1 or 2 routes, or blocking assignments without notifying me (the OC), or the QB about the changes. Then when the QB makes the wrong read, or when I tell the QB who to read, and he throws an interception because the QB & OC assumed that the route would be run the same way as before, but the WR runs a different route that only himself & the HC know.
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Post by coachveer on Jun 9, 2006 7:15:50 GMT -6
Any coach who watches the first 4 plays of the scout tape and says "Oh, their in a 44 cover 3....all we have to do is.....". When I point out to them that the other teams two DT are built like Greek Gods and are DI bound and our two Guards are built like Greek Salads and are bound for bring your favorite bib and get two dollars off down at Old Country Buffet every Tuesday night. Their next thought might be "Well, we can go Empty.......".
Right...
It's not that I don't want to hear the information. The offensive staff had met at least twice a month since Janauary. Plus, clinic and road trips to speak to other coaches. I love to hear all of that kind of information during that time. But once the playbooks in its in. If we add something then we need to remove something. Those kind of answers typically come from younger coaches that didn't attend some or even none of those meeting, clinics, and visits.
One last thought...My first coaching job was with my old High School football Coach. When watching scout film he would smile at me and say "Hey Coach, shut $^&$ up, don't say anything until you can tell me who is their best defender and their worst defender". He like to keep it simple.
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Post by herky on Jun 9, 2006 7:51:30 GMT -6
It is hard to have a 'special' year with a bunch of dippin', swearing, sex crazed, opponent hating like minded coaches.
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Post by pegleg on Jun 9, 2006 8:50:46 GMT -6
guys that wear me out are the guys that look at me like i have 2 heads because i drop the f-bomb every other word. or are offended because i'm loud, cranky, and hung over on sat morning. even worse is the guy who steals my can of cope outta my desk on sat morning when i'm loud, cranky and hung over.
thats why i work with the best staff in tx. we work hard and play hard. we understand each other and don't care what we do on our own time, which is usually spent together, because we know the work is gonna get done (probably better than you anyway, LOL).
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Post by brophy on Jun 9, 2006 8:59:58 GMT -6
Guys who don't put in the time, then make off the wall suggestions. Also when the same guys say we should try something different just because it is different and we have not tried it before. Then you have the ASSistant who pretends to be helping you when really he is plotting to install himself as the head coach after he turns the community against you. But that has never happened to anyone has it? Of course not. I thought that guy was only on MY staff..... Then when you ask him to draw up your Cover 2, he gives you a blank look and tells you, " Well, to be honest, coach...I really haven't looked at the playbook...." |
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Post by wingtol on Jun 9, 2006 9:08:47 GMT -6
Nice pegleg! have had a few meeting like that myself know excatally how you feel LOL
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 9, 2006 9:10:28 GMT -6
One guy that used to be around. Key word, USED. His first year coaching with us he "dropped his knowledge" on us when we were gearing up to play in our toughest game of the year. He tells our HC that we "should" run this certain defense and when our HC asks why? he blows up and says that our plan won't work. Again, not offering why. Here this guy is in his first year here and our HC has coached against this particular team for over 15 years and has done a great job scheming for this particular team. The guy gets all pissy and I thought he was going to cry.
He is done after one year. I am not a violent person, but at another meeting he said something to me that made me stand up and stand over him telling him he better apologize.
He so offended me that I told our HC that if he is on our staff the following year I would become a great JV or Frosh coach.
There is a term for that guy. KNOW-IT-ALL
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Post by chiefscoach on Jun 9, 2006 9:11:14 GMT -6
The old coaches who think they know all they need to know about the game. And the coaches who blame the kids for not being able to turn a program into a winner. So baiscally those coaches that don't hold themselves accountable.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 9, 2006 9:12:51 GMT -6
AMEN CHIEFSCOACH...
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 9, 2006 9:56:52 GMT -6
The old coaches who think they know all they need to know about the game. And the coaches who blame the kids for not being able to turn a program into a winner. So baiscally those coaches that don't hold themselves accountable. tough to work FOR those guys. any time i hear a coach blame any losses or tough seasons on the players i know im offended lol. |
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Post by brophy on Jun 9, 2006 10:18:15 GMT -6
the coach that justifies every suggestion he makes by dropping names, like saying he knows Brad Knight and Rocky Rococco
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Post by SAcoach on Jun 9, 2006 15:59:44 GMT -6
Ohhhh my favorite...will always be
"I used to play in the NFL. Thats right the NFL"
Or
"Back at such and such school we used to just do this"
about 4 times a week for the last 2 years
My question has always been ...if that school was so great why did you leave?
*goes to fridge to get beer to calm down*
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Post by coachcb on Jun 10, 2006 9:44:34 GMT -6
The guys that think that the schemes in the NFL are the only way to play football. The guys that trash the option because "the pros don't run it". The same guys that hand you a book called "Play Football the NFL Way" and get pissed when you throw it in the trash can in front of them.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 10, 2006 10:19:00 GMT -6
"THE PROS DONT RUN IT" IS AS BAD AS "IF IT WAS ANY GOOD EVERY ONE WOULD RUN IT" WHICH IS EQUALLY BAD AS "NO BIG SCHOOLS RUN IT" WHICH IS AS BAD AS "IT WONT WORK IN PENNSYLVANIA" (LOL)
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Post by coachcb on Jun 10, 2006 10:38:32 GMT -6
Let me tell you, it took every last bit of maturity for me to not kick this guy's ass up and down the office....."I watched the Patriots do this, I watched them do that...." "We should be running an empty set..." "The Falcons have Mike Vick and they don't run the option...." "I saw the Broncos practice, the only blocking scheme we need is the zone..."
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