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Post by coachjaz on Jun 15, 2007 19:49:13 GMT -6
I dont have anything scientific, but I have noticed an overwhelming number of high school coaches participated in great programs as high school players.
Therefore I have often wondered. Do great programs breed coaches? Do we become coaches because we had success as players? Did we all have great HS coaches who inspired us to also coach?
Since I moved to Arizona, I have noticed a very high number of coaches here either went to McClintock HS in Tempe and played for Karl Kiefer, which was a very powerful program for a number of years, or they went to St. Mary's which was/is also a very powerful program and played for Pat Farrell.
My question is this. How successful were your high school playing days?
Did you play for a highly successful coach?
Do you feel you were at all compelled to coach based on how much success you had as a player?
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Post by CoachDaniel on Jun 15, 2007 20:07:27 GMT -6
My playing days were not that successful. We were 4-16 in my two years on varsity. No one on our staff has a ring to my knowledge, but everyone had a coach that inspired them, that they still talk about. I think, regardless of success in terms of wins and losses, the coaches I know played for someone who taught them more than football - which is ultimately our job.
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Post by phantom on Jun 15, 2007 20:41:06 GMT -6
I played in a great program with great coaches. It didn't motivate me to become a coach because I always loved the game and always wanted to coach. It did teach me a lot about coaching and I owe them a lot. There have been a number og coaches who have come out of our program. Our HC was a HS teammate. I think that playing in a good program teaches the value of good coaching and how to do it right,
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Post by coachf on Jun 15, 2007 20:52:42 GMT -6
My question is this. How successful were your high school playing days? Did you play for a highly successful coach? Do you feel you were at all compelled to coach based on how much success you had as a player? 1. 2 State runner-Up Trophies - 2 times in the Quarterfinals. The team won state the year after I left. Combined 40-5 from Freshmen to Senior year. 2. Yes, very successful - Hall Of Famer in Illinois 3. Not really, I always wanted to coach. I loved the X's and O's. I think most of my motivation came from my brother who was constantly in Preview magazines and Sports Illustrated (actually I think we had a subscription to Sport & The Sporting News - when it was still in newspaper form). I loved the information and the background scenes. My Dad had coached before too and I think I got the bug at an early age. |
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Post by easye17 on Jun 15, 2007 21:04:41 GMT -6
State Runner up one year and State champ another and just short of playoffs third year.
Coach was great.
Sort of always wanted to be a football coach/history teacher.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Jun 15, 2007 21:11:11 GMT -6
I played for a hall of fame coach (MN), but we were only slightly above average during my HS years. My desire to coach was there long before I played a down for him. I remember drawing up football plays way back in 6th grade.
One thing that I learned from him is preparation is one of the most important things a coach can do. There was never one game that I played for him in which I felt as though we were unprepared. Now there were times where we ran into a buzzsaw and were just physically over matched, but there was never a game where we weren't prepared to be successful. He always gave us a chance to win. I never really realized just how good of a coach he was until I started coaching myself.
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Post by brophy on Jun 15, 2007 21:53:37 GMT -6
I'm not sold on any correlation between HS playing days & current coaching 'success'.
Personally, I came from a very successful HS program, but I never wanted to coach (and nothing from that 'successful HS program'would be considered 'successful' practices by today's standards) until I saw the amount of detail and preparation that was required in college.
what makes a successful coach?
1) The amount of dedication and passion you have for improving your palyers
2) Who you know
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 15, 2007 22:04:22 GMT -6
I put .500 because the program before I was in school was pretty terrible, but I went 28-8 in my four years (8-0 as fresh, 7-2 as sophs on JV, 5-4 as jrs and 8-2 as srs). Previous to us no one had ever made playoffs and a really good season was 5-4. Since we got in to the playoffs as srs the school has been back to the playoffs 6 times out of 14 years so the program has become markedly better.
None of our coaches were HOFs, but I'd like to change that for at least my freshmen coach.
I don't think I was compelled by our success. I was more compelled by my love of the game and the thought I could help kids love the game as much as I did like my coaches did for me.
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Post by coachf on Jun 15, 2007 22:11:54 GMT -6
None of our coaches were HOFs, but I'd like to change that for at least my freshmen coach. Would his induction speech be R-rated or NC-17?? ;D |
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Post by coachjaz on Jun 15, 2007 22:13:35 GMT -6
Great responses. Keep them coming.
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Post by midlineqb on Jun 15, 2007 22:19:13 GMT -6
Played for 2 HOFs, won state my senior year, semi's jr. year, 2nd round fr. and so. years. Lost 4 games and 1 tie in the 4 years I played. Out of all that played I was the only one to go on and coach football for an extended time. 2 others tried it for 1 year and got out of education. This was in the early 60's.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 15, 2007 22:26:30 GMT -6
you wouldn't believe the guys i played for. not gonna throw 'em under the bus, but i won't be singing their praises anytime in the future.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 15, 2007 23:25:34 GMT -6
My first two years of varsity ball in HS we were 1-19. My senior year we were 5-5. In College, we were: 0-10-1 (transferred after a year) 2-9, 2-9, 5-5-1. I never played for a winning team. Since 1991 (my first year as a HC), we've never had a losing team (5-5 was the worst at my previous school, 7-4 worst at my current).
I did play for two very good coaches who were on the way up: 1 in HS (he came my senior year) and one in college (same... came in as a senior).
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Post by tog on Jun 16, 2007 0:21:36 GMT -6
i think one of the biggest things about building a program and staff is to allow/encourage young coaches to be involved/have ownership in the program
to let them learn
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Post by coachpoe on Jun 16, 2007 0:54:33 GMT -6
In my three years on varsity we were 11-2 (state semifinals), 5-5 and 8-2. My OL Coach (so. year)/High school head coach (jr. and sr. year) was like a second father to me. I wanted to be a coach before playing for him but he certainly helped feed the fire. He also gave me my first shot coaching kids (summer camps) and hired me this winter to be on his staff.
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Post by coachjd on Jun 16, 2007 5:31:51 GMT -6
2x state playoffs and 4x conf champs. Head coach took program from the worst to the best in a short period of time, then he turned to the darkside and became an administrator!!
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Post by tye2021 on Jun 16, 2007 14:52:05 GMT -6
I've only played for one coach that I truely felt he understodd the game of football. A couple others that I respected but only one that I could see new the game. I only played for him my senior year and he is one of the most successful coaches in Florida(Pensacola, FL). He has spawned a number of HC in that area but none were anywhere near as successful as he has been. I don't know if any other of his former players are now coaching but he is the only coach I had that made me think about the Game and not just run the play.
Just in case anyone on here is from Pensacola like myself i am talking about Coach Carl Madison. He took Tate and Pine Forest Highschools to state titles. Tate(before I ever played) Pine Forest in the late 80s.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2007 15:21:33 GMT -6
My reasons are a lot like Larrymoe's. To be perfectly honest, only one coach I played for (high school or college) had a real influence on me. larrymoe knows him as Jacque Arse ;D Anyway, I went into coaching because after college, I wanted/needed to stay in the game.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 16, 2007 15:22:16 GMT -6
The programs I played for(both at the high school and college level) had nothing to do with my enthusiasm for football and my desire to coach. The men (both head coaches and other assistants) I worked with are the ones who taught me a great deal about working with young men, as well as the game of football.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 16, 2007 17:11:38 GMT -6
My reasons are a lot like Larrymoe's. To be perfectly honest, only one coach I played for (high school or college) had a real influence on me. larrymoe knows him as Jacque Arse ;D Anyway, I went into coaching because after college, I wanted/needed to stay in the game. If you can believe it, I've never actually met Jacque. Hope to though. |
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 16, 2007 19:19:09 GMT -6
My HS team won 3 games in 3 years and the best year we had in college was my senior season when we went 4-4-1. My college HC ended up in the HOF - more from longevity than anything else - but it was under his watch and the rest of the staff that I decided to take up coaching. I can still hear their voices when I take the field.
I agree with your original premise that "great programs can breed great coaches" in that a young coach can learn how to be a better coach by learning from veterens, but that is not a guarantee for success. I do think winning programs allow assistants a wider range of opportunities (to become head coaches) but I also think that some coaches are not cut out to be head coaches. I also know many "great coaches" who have spent their careers working with less talented kids, teaching them skills and character traits that they might not have gotten elsewhere - never having the blessings of all the ingredients at their disposal to coach at a great program.
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Post by touchdowng on Jun 17, 2007 11:11:46 GMT -6
Played for a HS coach who made it to a state championship game but lost. Never really thought about this question before. My college coach also made it to the pinnacle a couple of times at the small college level. My H.S. coach was all about character. I've coached 25 years and I remain friends with him and still have many of his lessons echoing in my brain.
Probably more attracted to their personal attributes than W/L records. I've known some jerks who win like crazy but you I don't see a large legacy of those going onto the coaching ranks because of them.
When you have a coach who wins and has the character attributes of being a strong and honest leader, you probably would have a better chance of players wanting to emulate their leader.
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 17, 2007 20:59:41 GMT -6
Played for a coach that was decent. Knew the game and was successful to a point. My junior year we got blown out of the playoffs in the first round, but we at least scored. In the 4 previous trips in the 80's our school didn't score an offensive TD.
I personally thought I was better than I really was. I was 1st team all league both junior and senior seasons, but really wasn't an elite player.
I knew I wanted to teach early on, but was inspired to coach a lot from my varsity coaches. Not so much for what they knew, but because at times they let me call plays!!! I would tell them what I saw or felt and they would trust me. I thought that was awesome. And for the most part, the plays I called worked well.
I am currently coaching for a guy who will probably end up with over 300 wins. Just over half way there. Our program has won 80% of our games since 1990. It is great to be a part of this run of success. I am extremely thankful to be doing what I am doing and where I am doing it.
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Post by wingman on Jun 18, 2007 21:53:04 GMT -6
I played in a very weak program ( 3-6,1-8,0-9, 6-3) and my DC won about 7 games in four years. I always say that shows what a great game football is. Even guys who didn't get teh rewards of winning a lot loved it.
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Post by lochness on Jun 19, 2007 4:24:22 GMT -6
We had the best record out of all the schools in the state over a 6-year period, which put us in the press-anionted "Super Six" conference, which was made up with teams from the biggest division with the best records over that period of time. We also held a (then) state record for most consecutive playoff appearances (9). We did not win a title while I was there. Quarterfinalists my Soph year, Semifinalists my Jr year, and lost in the big dance my senior year.
Played for a great coaching staff. Head coach was very successful and very well respected. DC was a madman who loved coaching and loved working with kids and was VERY good at scouting our opponents. OL coach was a one-in-a-million guy who is unfortunately no longer with us, but I still run his blocking system and his line calls to this day in my offense.
Those guys were my idols, and I was inspired by them to become a coach myself. No doubt, they had an enormous impact on my life!!
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Post by coachbleu on Jun 19, 2007 6:40:41 GMT -6
I played for great coaches in high school. All 3 of them were old-school guys. I learned a tremendous amount about line play and mental toughness from them. I also learned about motivation and the basics of the game. Another thing that I took from them was what not to do. My coaches were very distant and difficult to talk to. I prefer to make myself more available to my players. There always has to be a line there, but they often need to have an outlet. Football is a tough game both mentally and physically. The weight of it can bear down on a young mind and it can be overwhelming. I like to blend in humor and my personal life whenever possible to show the kids that I am human.
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Post by coachveer on Jun 19, 2007 7:34:43 GMT -6
Went 8-1 both my Fr. and So. year and didn't get into the playoffs (only 4 per reigion back then) won the whole thing my Junior year and lost in the semi's my senior year. For a 4 year stretch at 38-4. My HC did win another one 2 years later. But I think about 10 of those guys on the state title team did go on to coach somewhere.
Great question...
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Post by briangilbert on Jun 19, 2007 19:33:32 GMT -6
I had success playing in HS and College
My HS coaches with the exception of my D coordinator and O-Line coach were not much on the motivating front. The HC I played for was a complete A-hole on the field, and a bigger one off the field.
I had a backyard football program as early as 4th grade, I just love the game.
The Wins/Losses to me aren't a huge deal when you're looking for a good coach, A kid could have played in a storied program but not have learned anything about the X's and O's. They just may have had 11 better players and could have done nothing more then Toss and Trap (we have teams like this at the smaller levels in Ohio).
So I guess a good coach is like a good student of anything, one who STUDIES the game, and has a strong passion for it.
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Post by brokenbat on Jun 28, 2007 12:45:25 GMT -6
Coach JD and the HC he took over were 2 of the best! Definitly a major inspiration for me to get into coaching
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Post by coachgrizz on Jul 2, 2007 8:58:49 GMT -6
Played for three HOF Coaches here. In three years of varsity play only lost one game and that was as a sophmore. Undefeated Jr. and Sr. years. I think there is a very strong correlation between playing success and coaching success.
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