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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 16, 2017 8:05:44 GMT -6
I know this has been discussed before but after watching a video on Ohio St and what Urban does to discuss issues that affect young people this made me rethink it.
I know, like most HS FB teams in America, that my team has quite a few guys who smoke dope. I can't ignore the issue and I talk to the team as a whole about it but I'm wondering if there's something more I can do such as bringing in a guest speaker, police officer, etc. to talk to the team.
I know, like most HS FB players, that most of my guys are thinking about the magical power of that beautiful pink thing the opposite sex has. I talk to them about how they should treat women and how they should conduct themselves but I wonder if there are some more things we can do to guide them properly.
If you guys have any feedback or resources, I'd greatly appreciate it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 8:40:41 GMT -6
Could you share a link to that Video?
Do you have anything like team rules or code of conduct that your players sign up to when they join the team?
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Post by wingtol on Jun 17, 2017 10:32:52 GMT -6
coachcharacter.com/This is the character program we use all season and also now through the whole athletic department. Good stuff if that's what you're looking for. As far as the other topics I'm sure coaches have been trying to figure that out for the last 40 years or so. Pretty sure my team had the same problems when I was in HS (not that it's right or makes it okay) just one of those magic unicorns we chase as coaches, I remember old coaches when I started out always saying "Remember Pu$$y is still undefeated". I think you have to pick your spots when talking about that or they tune you out. Maybe come up with a quick saying you close each practice with like "make good decisions" and have them all say it before you break.
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Post by aceback76 on Jun 17, 2017 12:05:26 GMT -6
I know this has been discussed before but after watching a video on Ohio St and what Urban does to discuss issues that affect young people this made me rethink it. I know, like most HS FB teams in America, that my team has quite a few guys who smoke dope. I can't ignore the issue and I talk to the team as a whole about it but I'm wondering if there's something more I can do such as bringing in a guest speaker, police officer, etc. to talk to the team. I know, like most HS FB players, that most of my guys are thinking about the magical power of that beautiful pink thing the opposite sex has. I talk to them about how they should treat women and how they should conduct themselves but I wonder if there are some more things we can do to guide them properly. If you guys have any feedback or resources, I'd greatly appreciate it. Mark Richt instituted such a program at the U of Georgia (& now at Miami). There is some good information on it in the book (about Richt) in Chapter 8 ("CHARACTER, FAITH, & FOOTBALL"): "Top Dawg: Mark Richt and the Revival of Georgia Football" (Amazon) ******************************************************** The following is from our "CAPTAINS & QB GUIDE": CHARACTER: "Character is what you do when nobody else is watching" * You are held to a higher responsibility to do right than anyone else. * Are you coachable? * Do you have honesty and integrity to do the right thing, always, regardless of the outcome? * Do you have Faith (it puts things into perspective)? "Even the best leaders need someone to lead them. Sometimes who they can tap into as their power source, sense of strength and direction." |
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Post by fshamrock on Jun 17, 2017 14:12:09 GMT -6
Lot of stuff out there that I think can be effective, just be careful you don't go overboard with it. Know a guy who worked on a staff where they had a really detailed program, the kids had passages to memorize and homework assignments. It became a chore that the players all hated, just one more planned lesson and a more due dates they had to follow. When it becomes drudgery, it loses some of the effect.
Turns out the head man was tweaking the program and building it out so he could publish it and sell it online.
He's also a guy who famously called an interior blitz when the offense happened to run the ball inside, the pressure hit it behind the line of scrimmage, and the guy says over the headset "Great f-in call!!"....to himself
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Post by husky44 on Jun 17, 2017 16:36:04 GMT -6
coachcharacter.com/This is the character program we use all season and also now through the whole athletic department. Good stuff if that's what you're looking for. As far as the other topics I'm sure coaches have been trying to figure that out for the last 40 years or so. Pretty sure my team had the same problems when I was in HS (not that it's right or makes it okay) just one of those magic unicorns we chase as coaches, I remember old coaches when I started out always saying "Remember Pu$$y is still undefeated". I think you have to pick your spots when talking about that or they tune you out. Maybe come up with a quick saying you close each practice with like "make good decisions" and have them all say it before you break. During the season when do you implement this character program? How long is each session? We do a word of the week and spend five minutes each day talking about it but that has been about it. We have a guy who teaches leadership professionally offering his services to our team once the season starts but I am having a tough time deciding when and how to do this. |
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Post by wingtol on Jun 18, 2017 7:23:53 GMT -6
coachcharacter.com/This is the character program we use all season and also now through the whole athletic department. Good stuff if that's what you're looking for. As far as the other topics I'm sure coaches have been trying to figure that out for the last 40 years or so. Pretty sure my team had the same problems when I was in HS (not that it's right or makes it okay) just one of those magic unicorns we chase as coaches, I remember old coaches when I started out always saying "Remember Pu$$y is still undefeated". I think you have to pick your spots when talking about that or they tune you out. Maybe come up with a quick saying you close each practice with like "make good decisions" and have them all say it before you break. During the season when do you implement this character program? How long is each session? We do a word of the week and spend five minutes each day talking about it but that has been about it. We have a guy who teaches leadership professionally offering his services to our team once the season starts but I am having a tough time deciding when and how to do this. That's pretty much what we do. Usually introduce it during our film review where we have a bit more time to go over the word or phrase. We also try and use the word or phrases during practice and games as little reminders when we see an opportunity. That program we use is designed for short bursts of it, it's not a long drawn out thing. And it's nice our whole athletic department uses it so our multi-sport guys hear the same key words but hear it from different coaches perspective. You would be amazed at what sticks with kids from a short burst of it opposed to a longer more drawn out session. |
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Post by aceback76 on Jun 18, 2017 9:45:31 GMT -6
It's debatable how much (or how little) you need on this, but it needs to be addressed.
NOTE: I think football teaches character, but I also believe in the old adage that: "Football doesn't teach character as much as it REVEALS it"!!!
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 21, 2017 14:41:41 GMT -6
coachcharacter.com/This is the character program we use all season and also now through the whole athletic department. Good stuff if that's what you're looking for. As far as the other topics I'm sure coaches have been trying to figure that out for the last 40 years or so. Pretty sure my team had the same problems when I was in HS (not that it's right or makes it okay) just one of those magic unicorns we chase as coaches, I remember old coaches when I started out always saying "Remember Pu$$y is still undefeated". I think you have to pick your spots when talking about that or they tune you out. Maybe come up with a quick saying you close each practice with like "make good decisions" and have them all say it before you break. During the season when do you implement this character program? How long is each session? We do a word of the week and spend five minutes each day talking about it but that has been about it. We have a guy who teaches leadership professionally offering his services to our team once the season starts but I am having a tough time deciding when and how to do this. Make it part of what you do already. Just like teams do with their yearly slogan incorporate it in your verbiage, segments, break downs, speeches, etc... If you decided say that you wanted to teach the character trait RESPECT this season, then find a way to teach a 5 minute lesson on respect each week, then hammer that lesson every which way to Sunday. Think of how many times there has been at least 5 minutes wasted of everybodies time for some useless rah rah speech. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 22, 2017 9:11:12 GMT -6
Could you share a link to that Video? Do you have anything like team rules or code of conduct that your players sign up to when they join the team? I've been looking for the video but can't find it. I believe I found it on coaching search. We do not have a code of conduct. We have a few team rules but not a ton. I've always been a believer that too many rules can cause more trouble than good. The biggest reason I bring it up is because there were 2 baseball players that got caught smoking weed on campus. They're punishment was a brief suspension from school which resulted in them only missing 2 games. The coach was told that they could not have greater punishment than what was given by the school, meaning they couldn't be dismissed from the team. I would not have played them and if it was brought up as to why I couldn't play them then my response would be that anyone who is so undisciplined to do drugs on campus does not possess the discipline to help us on the football field. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 9:26:50 GMT -6
Could you share a link to that Video? Do you have anything like team rules or code of conduct that your players sign up to when they join the team? I've been looking for the video but can't find it. I believe I found it on coaching search. We do not have a code of conduct. We have a few team rules but not a ton. I've always been a believer that too many rules can cause more trouble than good. The biggest reason I bring it up is because there were 2 baseball players that got caught smoking weed on campus. They're punishment was a brief suspension from school which resulted in them only missing 2 games. The coach was told that they could not have greater punishment than what was given by the school, meaning they couldn't be dismissed from the team. I would not have played them and if it was brought up as to why I couldn't play them then my response would be that anyone who is so undisciplined to do drugs on campus does not possess the discipline to help us on the football field.
I agree with you on the part about too many rules - we have approx. 30 bulleted items on a A4 sheet of paper and honestly it can all be summarised in one point - "Don't be a dick!". We're talking about young students here though so more often than not having a comprehensive list of ways we expect them to behave and things they're not allowed to do can be very helpful, especially in disciplinary matters - last season we had to cut a player after a serious drug-related incident. The violation was covered in our team rules and our team committee (made up of senior players) actually asked the coaches to cut him from the team, given that he'd violated our team rules in a pretty serious way.
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Post by blb on Jun 22, 2017 9:35:12 GMT -6
The biggest reason I bring it up is because there were 2 baseball players that got caught smoking weed on campus. They're punishment was a brief suspension from school which resulted in them only missing 2 games. The coach was told that they could not have greater punishment than what was given by the school, meaning they couldn't be dismissed from the team. I would not have played them and if it was brought up as to why I couldn't play them then my response would be that anyone who is so undisciplined to do drugs on campus does not possess the discipline to help us on the football field.
If you did that you would risk being accused of Insubordination by your administration (and thus possibly dismissal) and legal action from players' parents.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 22, 2017 10:29:04 GMT -6
If you did that you would risk being accused of Insubordination by your administration (and thus possibly dismissal) and legal action from players' parents.
Dismissal from the team yes, but not playing time. Playing time is at the coach's discretion. |
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Post by blb on Jun 22, 2017 10:47:02 GMT -6
If you did that you would risk being accused of Insubordination by your administration (and thus possibly dismissal) and legal action from players' parents.
Dismissal from the team yes, but not playing time. Playing time is at the coach's discretion.
I don't want to argue hypotheticals but if the kids were playing before the incident-suspensions and afterwards they are not, there would be a parent backlash.
If they went to the administration who had determined there would be no additional punishment and you explain it as you did in your earlier post, you would be alone on that hill.
PT is at coach's discretion until it's not.
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Jun 23, 2017 23:35:53 GMT -6
We have over the years done a character development teaching our guys what it is to be a MAN. We know ahead of time that we can't just say DAD, because many of our guys have fathers who are {censored} and are involved. And mothers who are the same, for that matter. We didn't start it out as a way to teach guys who didn't have good dads, but instead to say it like if you are a great teammate (do everything you can to help the team, work hard when you aren't forced to, do things to uplift your teammates, take responsibility for the assignments you have in your position, treat people this way), then you are well on your way to learning what it is to be a great MAN, FATHER, HUSBAND, etc.
Through the process, we introduced many examples of great MEN, including some guys who would bring in dads, uncles, grandfathers, coaches, etc.
I'll say to mix this in with specifically how to treat women, as you mentioned, I've always been someone who would institute a few rules and teaching time if I became head coach. First of all, I had a mother raised in the south, so manners were always a huge thing. I'm plenty old enough to be called a grown ass man, and even though I always grew up in the North (where most people didn't need or even specifically told me they didn't want sir, ma'am, etc), my mother/Mama would smack me if I was to forget some of these manners for a second. I'd demand players to call coaches sir, and teachers, lunch ladies, custodians, etc. ma'am/sir, flat out. Beyond that, I'm a firm believer in other "procedural" manners. I'm sure it's just my upbringing, but I can't stand to say "Bless you" to someone who sneezes and not hear a "Thank you" and I can't stand to sneeze and not hear a "Bless you." I can't stand to walk into a business and the person in front of me not hold the door. I'll say that once I got old enough to date, I was different from every guy in my class on dates because my Mom taught me that my date never opens a door (building or car), I pull her chair out for her, I stand when she stands up from the table, when I met a date's parents they were Mr. and Mrs. Smith (or whatever last name), and beyond that, I'm plenty old enough to be called a "grown ass man" but my Mom would still jump on me if I forgot any manners to women or elders and because I'm not married I would not show up to my mom's house with a woman and expect to stay with her in the same bedroom and I DEFINITELY would not expect to do it at my Granny's house HAHAHA.
I'll also say that with this I don't mean that a football player can't be tough, for purposes of how I want football players to behave. By this, I mean that I have, especially, a few cousins who have been to county jail a few times but the cop that takes them there is SIR. I once had an uncle explain one of my cousins to me-- said "he may get in fights and do this or that, but he don't miss a ma'am or sir."
Don't want to tell this to kids at my high school, but fact is sometimes the most manly thing that can be done is to say "let's fight it out". So, right now, I know of a player who has a tendency to try to "bully" other players, and right or wrong I'm just waiting to celebrate the guy that gets in his face, tells him to piss off, and lets him know that he ain't going to be punked out by any intimidation. It will be good for both of them to figure out where they stand and both of them work at it from there.
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