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Post by ccscoach on Jun 13, 2017 4:34:13 GMT -6
Those of you that run 9-12 Varsity programs what do you guys do for your 9th graders to get game experience?
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Post by **** on Jun 13, 2017 4:49:07 GMT -6
Big school = They play freshman level
Small school = They play JV
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Post by hunhdisciple on Jun 13, 2017 5:28:30 GMT -6
Big school = They play freshman level Small school = They play JV This. And, I always try to sneak some of them in the game if it's getting out of hand. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 13, 2017 6:06:49 GMT -6
Big school = They play freshman level Small school = They play JV I could very well be mistaken, but I took his question as "those of you who have 1 team for grades 9-12. Varsity team only. Maybe 20 players total in the program etc. |
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Post by **** on Jun 13, 2017 6:43:08 GMT -6
If you only have 1 level then you have to sneak them in on varsity when you can.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 13, 2017 6:45:10 GMT -6
If you have a JV team, is there a chance that at JV games you play a 5th quarter where you play the frosh and the opponent plays his lower tier kids?
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Post by tigerscoachbuck on Jun 13, 2017 6:56:37 GMT -6
In order to grow the program you need to keep kids involved and having fun. Practice sucks for the kids, they want to compete on the grand stage under those Friday Night Lights. We are a small program as well and will not have enough players to comfortably field a JV program. We will only have 37 at the start of training camp if enrollment stays as is. You need to try and get some Frosh involved however possible just to keep them in the program. We try and get younger players in on the Special Teams if there is no significant drop off in talent. Just to give our "Iron-Men" a blow and some water to avoid cramping, because exhausted soldiers can't charge.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Jun 14, 2017 11:23:44 GMT -6
Big school = They play freshman level Small school = They play JV I could very well be mistaken, but I took his question as "those of you who have 1 team for grades 9-12. Varsity team only. Maybe 20 players total in the program etc. As stated if you're at a small school (say a 1A/ 2A team in AZ or a Division VII Ohio) they have to contribute in some way to help the varsity. Make it where there are 3 teams that they can start on. Make Special Teams an actual team and put a good. Freshman on if they hustle and can play. If they are athletic and can make tackles. Also, make scout team competitive. Tell them to play the right technique and show they have the position skills needed to play. Get better scout team play and you can see if the kiddos can ball or not. Just my 2 cents |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jun 14, 2017 13:16:59 GMT -6
Last year I was the JV head coach at a private school with a small program (about 50 combined for JV & Varsity). It was a struggle to hold practice. We'd sometimes go against varsity but it's a difficult situation - the varsity kids don't really get better and over half the JV kids were literally in fear for their life. Because of personal differences with the HC I left and am now coaching at a nearby public school though my son is still in the program. The number of kids that showed up for JV football at summer ball on Monday was 6. I'm told that they are probably going to scrap the JV program and put all comers on varsity. IMO, that is a mistake. Unless you're playing against similarly small schools it is very bad for your program. Freshmen don't play (unless they're a phenom in which case they would have been on varsity anyway), little guys are at risk for injury before they've had time to develop, and the end result is that your future varsity players either choose a different sport or go to a school where they can play. That's just my $.02.
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Post by **** on Jun 14, 2017 17:15:29 GMT -6
First year at my current school we had 26 kids and cancelled JV season. We did what we had to do. Last few years we've had roughly 40 and had a JV program.
Previous school had 180 kids with 5 levels. We 2 platooned everybody, even the D1 kids.
Another school I had 16 kids and no thought of a JV program. Trying to win a varsity game was a dream in itself.
If you can have a V and JV do it. If you can have a V, JV, and freshman do it. If you can have a V, JV, C team, and 2 freshman teams, do that. It really is not that complicated. More kids = more teams. Less kids = less teams.
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Post by Coachbragg on Jun 14, 2017 22:16:27 GMT -6
We usually have 16-20 kids in our 1A 8 man program in Oregon. Haven't had enough for a JV in my 8 years as HC. Sometimes I have freshman that are starters but usually not. As several of you stated, you have to get kids in or they won't keep playing. I will throw them in on kick team, especially when we go onside. Also there almost never are extra point kicks so I try to get 1 or 2 on the 2 pt try. Go with a Heavy package. Anyway to let their mama's and daddy's see them out there on Fridays
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Post by carookie on Jun 14, 2017 23:27:16 GMT -6
Previous school I was at had about 35-40 in the program as a whole from year to year. All participated on the varsity, with those 15-20 underclassmen traveling as the JV. At some points we took 14 into JV games and finished with 11; I would argue thats about the minimum you can go with.
Anything less you just gotta scrap JV
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Post by spartan on Jun 15, 2017 19:48:55 GMT -6
Weekly Grade 9 scrimmage after Thursday practice.
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Post by tabs52 on Jun 17, 2017 16:17:15 GMT -6
Big school = They play freshman level Small school = They play JV |
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Post by tabs52 on Jun 17, 2017 16:18:55 GMT -6
In our case we had multiple freshmen starting for our team
Had a Freshmen QB, Freshmen WR, Freshmen Corner, Freshmen OT
With many more getting Varsity time on Special Team or working in during the game
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Post by bigmoot on Jun 17, 2017 16:57:27 GMT -6
IMO you've got to play sub varsity games. if a fresh has to be a blocking dummy all year he will not be back. they need to play regaRd less of score. I know we are gonna get killed in a few of our jv games but there are some guys who need reps, along with some who will never play Varsity.
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Post by bigmoot on Jun 17, 2017 17:01:22 GMT -6
cont.....we are 40 or so 9-12. non starters in 9th or 10th, are a few 11th who will never play on Fridays play jv
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 17, 2017 17:08:58 GMT -6
We have freshman, JV and frosh. But we will have the Freshman show up at the JV games and run special teams for the JV, this helps incorporate them into into the team and gives them a reason to show up on Saturdays instead of doing run/walk/jog.
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Post by tabs52 on Jun 18, 2017 9:49:07 GMT -6
bigmoot
Similar numbers, only 9th and 10th graders play varsity
If you are a junior and not seeing the field on Friday then not taking reps from guys that need to develop
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Post by gccwolverine on Jun 19, 2017 16:08:44 GMT -6
Big school = They play freshman level Small school = They play JV I could very well be mistaken, but I took his question as "those of you who have 1 team for grades 9-12. Varsity team only. Maybe 20 players total in the program etc. 20 players in total........ Find a new job |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2017 16:16:32 GMT -6
I could very well be mistaken, but I took his question as "those of you who have 1 team for grades 9-12. Varsity team only. Maybe 20 players total in the program etc. 20 players in total........ Find a new job Coach, I know you are saying that in a somewhat comedic way, but SOMEONE has to coach those kids. I know that actually was what drove me into coaching...because I was in a program where we dressed 16 my sophmore year and our coaches were just overworked (each coach was a 3 sport coach), off season weight program was simply June and July and I never experienced more than 2 wins a year. |
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Post by bigmoot on Jun 19, 2017 16:24:46 GMT -6
bigmoot Similar numbers, only 9th and 10th graders play varsity If you are a junior and not seeing the field on Friday then not taking reps from guys that need to develop i understand...but sometimes we have to use junior in order to field a jv team. like a jr tackle that will never play varsity but we may not have enough 9th and 10th linemen. sometimes is a mix and match situation. |
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Post by centercoach on Jun 20, 2017 17:14:21 GMT -6
My varsity team has 16 people( thank god we are back down to 8 man... 11 man with 16-18 players is rough). Give them time during blowouts and if your starters are getting blown out because they aren't trying... put your 9th graders in. One year we called up our 9th graders from JV because the team they had that week only wanted a 6-8th grader game. Its really embarrassing to the kids to have to watch 9th graders do better than them.
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Post by chipprjonz10 on Jun 20, 2017 20:17:31 GMT -6
We will be doing this for the first time this year. Everyone will practice together 9-12 and then any 9-11 graders that do not play a "significant" amount on Friday night, plays a "scrimmage jv game" on Monday. They play 4 quarters without kickoffs. So it is not a true game and hence a scrimmage. This will allow those "practice players" that are only getting reps at practice and working hard a chance to play a 4 quarter game, rather than just being a practice player all year and getting a few plays here and there. So this will hopefully allow them to develop more, because imo, the more games you play, the better gauge I have of what kind of player you really are.
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Post by knightfan64 on Jun 22, 2017 12:02:02 GMT -6
how low have you guys gone before in order to have a JV team, we are looking at probably low to mid 40's I would guess this upcoming season. I generally have a handful dress up on Fridays and help relieve us when needed, but our JV games are on Thursdays so can't do the style of everyone on one team and who doesn't play friday gets in monday
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Post by center on Jun 22, 2017 21:28:59 GMT -6
how low have you guys gone before in order to have a JV team, we are looking at probably low to mid 40's I would guess this upcoming season. I generally have a handful dress up on Fridays and help relieve us when needed, but our JV games are on Thursdays so can't do the style of everyone on one team and who doesn't play friday gets in monday I would do whatever possible to play lower level games. Even if we only had 12-13 guys to play it. Make it a controlled scrimmage if necessary to get a game in. Can you play a kid on JV Thursday and dress them Friday night? Do your rules allow that? |
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Post by knightfan64 on Jun 23, 2017 19:42:26 GMT -6
Our rules allow a kid 40 quarters in a season, we have been doing that on the small school level for a long time though. When I was a JV coach years ago we worried about quarters for quarters but then we realized, at our level, as long as guys weren't starting on Thursdays and Fridays they were fine
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Post by ahall005 on Jun 23, 2017 21:36:49 GMT -6
If we get about 30 kids we will play jv games.... if we are up or down big we usually get everyone in
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Jun 25, 2017 0:47:57 GMT -6
Those of you that run 9-12 Varsity programs what do you guys do for your 9th graders to get game experience? Just want to make sure. Are you saying that you have just one team so that your varsity team is the only team and includes all 9-12 grades?? |
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Post by ccscoach on Jun 25, 2017 10:14:06 GMT -6
Those of you that run 9-12 Varsity programs what do you guys do for your 9th graders to get game experience? Just want to make sure. Are you saying that you have just one team so that your varsity team is the only team and includes all 9-12 grades?? Yes we have junior high 7-8 and Varsity 9-12 |
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