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Post by cc on Mar 7, 2007 19:03:21 GMT -6
Hey guys.
After the "year of the bull" posting (which disgusted me) I thought I would throw these out to see what you guys think.
I am not judging these coaches. Just seeing what you guys think. Its amazing what is on youtube...
Watch the end "do you have any pride Danny!?!"
Mike Sanford refuses to leave the field
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Post by fbdoc on Mar 7, 2007 19:09:41 GMT -6
I guess my hope is that I never went that route with a player. We all have our moments and hopefully these are both one time events for these coaches. As the famous man once said, "Every one of us has a purpose, even if it is to serve as a horrible example of something."
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Post by brophy on Mar 7, 2007 19:10:45 GMT -6
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Post by cc on Mar 7, 2007 19:14:52 GMT -6
And to balance it our there are some great coaching stories.
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Post by phantom on Mar 7, 2007 19:16:35 GMT -6
I have no problem with either of them.
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Post by tog on Mar 7, 2007 20:56:49 GMT -6
first one was bad
second one
probably not the best way to handle it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2007 21:13:14 GMT -6
I can't say I have a problem with either of them, but the first one is just bizarre. I think the kids were screaming at the end because that's what they were supposed to do. I saw more bewilderment from the players than fire.
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Post by dacoachmo on Mar 7, 2007 21:30:17 GMT -6
And I thought I was bad for refusing a running clock...
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Post by ajreaper on Mar 7, 2007 22:44:27 GMT -6
It's difficult here to pass judgement as we are only seeing a small slice of the whole- for example in the first one that coach may have talked with Danny before hand and said hey this is what's up, this is what I'm going to do and why etc. Or they could have had a relationship that allowed that interaction without it being taken wrong by the player. I really cannot say either is over the top without knowing a bit more about each situation.
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Post by CVBears on Mar 7, 2007 23:45:10 GMT -6
Although neither coach should go to the hall of fame for these performances, I didn't see anything that was a huge concern. Not the greatest behavior, but not fire-able offenses either.
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Post by wildcat on Mar 8, 2007 5:48:22 GMT -6
The videotape...wow! That was over-the-top! Maybe I don't "get it", but if I was in the locker room when that happened, I probably would have busted out laughing! ;D
The UNLV thing...best part of that was when Sanford runs out on the field and gets tripped by his headsets. That was awesome.
Neither one was really "bad", but the problems with doing things like that is it is REALLY going to be tough to recover your dignity and restore your credibility afterwards.
Did the Wilson team win? Does anyone know anything about them? Why was the coach's speech recorded in the first place? Was that maybe a little "staged" for dramatic effect?
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Post by dubber on Mar 8, 2007 7:58:22 GMT -6
Great clip.....I loved it at the end when Hugh Douglas gave Reid a big sweaty hug after he said "I'll see you Wednesday". BTW, from my understanding, giving the players from Sunday to Wednesday off in the NFL is crazy.
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Post by jackedup on Mar 8, 2007 11:38:23 GMT -6
If I'm not mistaken, Cantafio was dismissed after the season. It is my understanding that parents were not too happy with his way of doing things. This is all according to a relative who lives in Wilson's district.
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Post by kcfootballwv on Mar 8, 2007 11:44:33 GMT -6
Neither one are that bad......whats the big deal?
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Post by fort on Mar 14, 2007 9:45:41 GMT -6
That first coach has a place in professional wrestling waiting for him after he leaves coaching...
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 14, 2007 12:17:34 GMT -6
I threw a chair in the locker room at halftime once and the team went nuts in the second half and we won a thrilling game. Things like this happen every once in a while for the better I guess.
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Post by Coach Huey on Mar 14, 2007 12:39:29 GMT -6
[/u][/b][li]Game on Sunday [/li][li]Off on Monday [/li][li]Off on Tuesday [/li][li]Practice on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday (walk-through/travel Saturday) [/li][li] players typically do work out, see the trainer, etc. on Mondays.[/li][/ul] [/u][/b][li]Game on Friday [/li][li]Off on Saturday [/li][li]Off on Sunday [/li][li]Practice on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday(walk-through on Thursday) [/li][li] Some schools bring in the players to work out, see the trainer, etc. on Saturdays.[/li][/ul] Where is the difference, really? |
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Post by wingman on Mar 14, 2007 21:27:44 GMT -6
Around here problem with first one is it might get you fired. The players looked like zombies though. 2nd one you have to let it go sometimes. Bad calls are part of the game.
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Post by kdcoach on Mar 15, 2007 7:17:25 GMT -6
Wilson lost that game. Hempfield (team they were playing) was a VERY good football team that year. Wilson was not as good that year as they had been the previous year (they were 9-1) I think they were 6-4 or 7-3 something like that. Anyway, that was Chad Henne's senior season and they were hoping to be better than they were I believe. Coach Cantafio is actually a really good football coach and a pretty fair person to deal with. He runs a series of clinics and camps in the off season here in PA and is widely respected in the coaching community here. I can't speak to what he did in the locker room that day with out a lot more information than is provided in that clip. He left Wilson two years after that season (last year)for a couple different reasons. There was very ugly labor dispute with the newly voted in school board and superintendant vs the teachers and administration of that district. During that time he was accused of using school resouses (email, copiers and fax machine I believe) to help promote his team camps and clinics. There are a lot of people that feel he was made an example of, and some that feel he really got what he deserved. He was allowed to resign his position. The real kicker to all of that is that he has (I think) 29 years in as a teacher and only needs one more to get his full pension. Seems like his name is rumored in every Head Coaching job that comes up in the Central part of the state now. Guess we'll see where he lands.
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Post by bhb on Mar 15, 2007 10:35:05 GMT -6
The first one wasn't that big of a deal until he put his hands on the kid- even then it didn't appear to be done maliciously- still, it's never a good idea to lay your hands on a kid, obviously.. He was a little over the top, but not really anything worthy of getting fired over.. I took it as he was trying to fire his team up and it just came out looking awkward, and weird..
The second one was just silly- no big deal.. I'm sorry, but I still belly laugh everytime I see that coach fall flat on his face..LOL.. too funny.
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Post by brophy on Mar 15, 2007 10:53:21 GMT -6
I don't know what happened, but in the 1st vid, when you call your team out and ALL of the players start looking at the ground trying to hide their face.........uh, that ain't a good sign....and I think it didn't acheive the 'desired' effect - that ain't on the coach, that would be on the players, IMO. But one could argue, that the coach ought to know how his players would respond.
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Post by optioncoach on Mar 15, 2007 17:26:21 GMT -6
Most of us have had our moments. If meltdowns were a crime, I'd be guilty of second-degree meltdown...it happened in the heat of the moment. This seemed like a first-degree meltdown...premeditated. It felt a little staged and scripted. (Who made the video and set it to the music from The Omen?). I would have understood his behavior more if he was just flying off the handle, losing his composure. Again, who hasn't been guilty of that? I've copied and handed out less-than-flattering news articles as the boys were getting on the bus, but if nothing else, the video thing was creative.
I know if I had done this, my guys would have looked at me like I was crazy, but maybe this was the norm. I don't know about anyone else, but all my attempts at being dramatic seem to backfire more often than not. I was hacked at halftime about our lack of blocking and to emphasize the worthlessness of a game plan if we don't block, I attempted to tear the gameplan in half. Attempted. Laminated card stock is remarkably sturdy!
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Post by jhanawa on Mar 15, 2007 17:47:04 GMT -6
option coach, LMAO on the laminated cardstock!!!!  Classic, bet your kids will remember that .... I don't see much wrong with either of them, the first seems so staged that the kid he touched he probably approached before hand and had him sign a waiver......lol, the second is just hilarious with the face plant. I've been around a lot of coaches at various levels and have seen a lot of staged "rah rahs", IMO its a waste of time. Kids see through it. I had a coach in HS that I coached with, rehersed all of his speaches in the mirror.....me personally, I'll just rely on old fashioned slobbering emotion, might not be as perty sounding with sound bites, but it will be genuine and to the point.......lol |
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Post by davecisar on Mar 16, 2007 11:34:43 GMT -6
Im just a youth coach but I remember my HS and College playing days fairly well even if it was over 20 years ago.
As a player I didnt pay much attention to the rah rah stuff.
I found there was an inverse relationship to how good a team was and how much rah rah gimmicks they did. The great teams didnt do it.
One HS team we played got all painted up for a homecoming game, chieftans, lot sof war paint, huge crowd, staged stuff etc, they came out all wild etc. We had em by 30 at halftime, trapped em to death and I remember saying , "Nice makeup whatcha doin after the game?" LOL.
Confident preparation wins out over cheap theatrics nearly every time, kids see past it. Emotion lasts for a few snaps then reality sets in has been my experience.
Even As a youth coach, my kids are looking to me for answers, they want to know that if they listen to me they will play better. So we dont get crazy about effort, etc we talk xs and os, adjustments and technique. They take comfort and confidence from that IMHO.
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Post by broncoohio on Mar 18, 2007 6:11:22 GMT -6
don't know what happened, but in the 1st vid, when you call your team out and ALL of the players start looking at the ground trying to hide their face.........uh, that ain't a good sign....and I think it didn't acheive the 'desired' effect - that ain't on the coach, that would be on the players, IMO. But one could argue, that the coach ought to know how his players would respond.
exactly what i was thinking.. i was watching some of the kids looking around at each other like "what the h**l is going on?" dont know if he acheived what he wanted to there or not.
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Classic, bet your kids will remember that ....