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Post by coachmyers on Jul 25, 2006 22:08:03 GMT -6
He used his job as leverage. The discussion isn't over, but after some argument about what a double team was and wasn't, I flat out asked him "will you or will you not teach this system." His answer: "We'll get together, and if I like it I'll teach it, if I don't then I won't. If that's a problem, I'll gladly step down."
We should have a meeting in the next week (we're off for two weeks starting thursday).
I decided that his comment was enough to talk to the head coach about. He said he didn't think it was worth losing the coach over, which I agree with (I think it was pretty childish to leverage his job on it though), but basically said it wasn't a big deal.
I don't think I'll be winning this one. The head coach doesn't care either way but isnt exactly getting my back with the decision to go with it. Heck, I'm not even trying to change EVERYTHING to zone, I just want to add it. The case thats being made for not running zone is that we did well last year. We had close to 2000 yards total running. However, you have to keep in mind we had/have a D1 running back and a line which doesnt go less than 220 and averages 260. One of those linemen is now starting at his JC and two others have been getting D1 attention though I dont think they're D1 players. The proof to me that we needed a change is that we got our butts whiped up front by the good teams. Oh we piled it on against the crappy ones but when it came time to play the two top teams in our league, they handed it to us.
Thanks for all of your input and help, just don't think I'll be winning this one.
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Post by tog on Jul 25, 2006 22:10:20 GMT -6
seriously
your ol guy sounds like a bungholio
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Post by coachmyers on Jul 25, 2006 22:57:28 GMT -6
you're telling me...
know any potential replacements?
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Post by saintrad on Jul 25, 2006 23:03:50 GMT -6
coachmyers...where are you located at?
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Post by coachmyers on Jul 25, 2006 23:28:03 GMT -6
Western Washington
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Post by spreadattack on Jul 26, 2006 6:41:56 GMT -6
sounds irritating. egos...
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Post by kdcoach on Jul 28, 2006 8:17:11 GMT -6
I completely disagree with your head coach. Sorry, but if there was a guy on my staff that said show it to me and if I like it I'll teach it if not I won't...and then offered to "gladly step down". I would have him get to steppin. Sounds to me like the job just doesn't mean much to him. If that's the case you will always (IMHO) be better off finding someone else that is dedicated to the team philosophy and putting a united front forward.
What if in his "real" job his boss came to him and said...this is how we're going to do this here and he had the same answer? Do you think he would have that job for very long?
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Post by brophy on Jul 28, 2006 8:27:37 GMT -6
had a guy last year on the staff (Head Soph coach)....said he wouldn't run "MY" (the program's) defense unless the Head Coach told him he had to.....  that slick approach led to having to bring up two of his Sophomore defensive players.....hey, guess what, they had NO CLUE how to play their position in varsity because the terminology was totally different. When I asked him at this precamp meeting if there was a way he could get into his bastard 5-3 defense out of our 42 (there is) using the current terminology, he replied, " To be honest with you, I really haven't looked at the playbook...." we all go through this. |
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Post by bulldog on Jul 28, 2006 9:39:39 GMT -6
Brophy - so your HC isn't on-board with running your defense on the lower levels? THAT is frustrating. Our HC will remove a lower-level coach who does not run our program. I watch them practice - and if I see them running something different, we talk about it (remove it/change it) on the spot.
We have had a very similar problem in the past - not because of the HC as much as deviations from the JV coaches. They made up their own crap (much of which was un-sound). Also, they wouldn't change personnel. When they had a 220lb fat a$$ kid playing corner - who couldn't run - and was repeatedly beat for scores over the top - and I told them to move him to DL, because he would never play DB on the varsity . . . . their other corner is 140lbs soaking wet and was physically out-matched. So, of course, I have a rash of injuries at corner and I have no one I could pull-up. There was one kid who was a possiblity, but they didn't play him and he didn't develop enough. That HC is now a position coach (not entirely for this reason - more to do with on-campus coaches).
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Post by redfish on Jul 28, 2006 21:10:02 GMT -6
Coach Murphy,
So many people have different ideas over what exactly zone blocking is, it tends to be very confusing at the beginning. Usually, the first thing anyone hears is drop step. Well, not everybody drop steps because they have found a way that works for them. Your line coach sounds kind of hard nosed and old school to me and that's not such a bad thing. Since your HC is not ready to fire him, he must be pretty good. (absences included) Maybe he just needs to be sold on the concepts that he will agree with, once he realizes that taking a drop will get their hips in line to attack the double team, he'll probably start to come around. (probably out of your earshot, though) The double must be done with both heads up. (he can't disagree with that) The double must get penetration. (gotta love that) Four hands on, once penetrated, four eyes up on the backer, when you see his opposite number, go get him.
When we introduce it to our incoming freshmen, we don't even talk about finding the backer until they learn how to double team and get penetration. Usually, that's enough to get the linebackers path blocked anyway. When they can execute the double, then we start talking about finding the backer. Without the double's movement, the coming off for the backer is moot. If they can't block him double, one guy certainly cannot.
IMHO, if your team hasn't had any exposure to this, they probably won't be ready to execute it for a month after anyway. Keep it simple, take small bites, start with inside zone and work your way to outside and then putting the concepts into your other plays. If your line coach can learn it properly, using the experience he has, it will work itself out. We're only talking about two plays, really.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 29, 2006 7:23:53 GMT -6
Well, I can see his concern. Many if not most OL guru's believe that you are either zone.... or not zone. It is the equivalent of Man coverage. At the HS level, you either have to play a good deal of MAN... or NEVER play it. I don't believe you can play "a little man" because of the practice time it requires. I don't belive you can run "a little zone" because of the practice time it requires.
ONE POSSIBLE thing to explore is his belief in the technique...more so than scheme.
I have known DB coaches who wanted to teach backpedal technique..simply because their individual drill list is tons of backpedal drills. Scratch pedaling, and now they need new drills.
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