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Post by kylem56 on May 4, 2017 16:49:57 GMT -6
hey coaches
A little background info: Entering our 3rd season at a Class B school in Michigan. For the most part, I have a young staff that is eager to learn but still lacks Friday night experience. Myself (Head Coach OC/ O-Line) and my DC (RB's / LB's) are on the sideline. I also have another assistant who is my QB/DB coach and finds kids for substitutions when needed.
My question for you all is:
What are your assignments for your coaches on offense in the press box?
What are your assignments for your coaches on defense in the press box?
Special teams assignments?
Building on that, I want to have a system in place in each phase of the game. For example on offense, after a play is over, Press Box Coach A is communicating this, Press Box Coach B then is communicating ___, etc. Same thing for defense and special teams.
Our staff is set up like this:
HC/OC/OL/Specials (Me)- on field
DC / RB / LB / Specials- on field
QB / DB- on field
Coach A (JV OC / RB / DEs)- box
Coach B (JV DC / OL / DL)- box
Coach C (JV HC / OL / DL, most experienced of the 3 box coaches)- box
*Coach D (former/retired HFC,if we can get him to commit, he would be an extra set of eyes in the box)- box
I will also have a volunteer assistant on the sideline with an iPad since we purchased Hudl Sideline for this upcoming season (Which I have questions about for another thread).
What I am looking for on every play is results/data communicated then myself or my DC makes the next call. I am not looking for opinions (oh man Johnny is such a pu$$y) or suggestions (but coach the fade is there!). I have good young coaches who need direction and I think they/we could be successful with a system in place.
I look forward to your responses!
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Post by dijackson08 on May 5, 2017 4:10:18 GMT -6
We have 3 on each side of the ball in our press box but you can make it happen with less.
Offensively we have a guy charting our offensive play calls. A guy charting defensive fronts and pressures and a guy charting coverages and watching the secondary.
Defensively we have a guy charting their offense. A guy watching our box giving feedback on DL and LB's. Then we have a guy watching our secondary and charting pass concepts. The DL guy is also charting our defensive calls.
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Post by spos21ram on May 5, 2017 5:53:32 GMT -6
We have 3 on each side of the ball in our press box but you can make it happen with less. Offensively we have a guy charting our offensive play calls. A guy charting defensive fronts and pressures and a guy charting coverages and watching the secondary. Defensively we have a guy charting their offense. A guy watching our box giving feedback on DL and LB's. Then we have a guy watching our secondary and charting pass concepts. The DL guy is also charting our defensive calls. 6 coaches in the box? How many coaches do you have? Some schools don't have 6 total. |
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Post by hunhdisciple on May 5, 2017 6:53:58 GMT -6
6 in the box?
We have always had 2, total.
I've been in the box 3 times, and each one was a drastically different experience.
Who you put in the box ultimately depends on what you want from them. If you need basic info and things like that, it doesn't really matter. If you need "the guy" up there to be everything you need, then your choices are probably limited.
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Post by **** on May 5, 2017 7:52:31 GMT -6
My question for you all is:
What are your assignments for your coaches on offense in the press box?
What are your assignments for your coaches on defense in the press box?
Special teams assignments? I could have swore I posted about this in the defensive thread before but I can't find it now. I am DC and in the box. There is one other offensive guy in the box with me. The other 4 guys are on the sideline. IMO offense should be called based on what the defense is doing. Different ways to do it, or a combination of both. Each offensive play should have a combo play where when you run play X you watch a specific defensive player and if he does ____ you keep running play X or run play Y because that defeats what the defensive player is doing. Plays should compliment and set up each other. Or plays should be called based upon which defensive player made the tackle. If you run play X and _____ defensive player makes the tackle, the next play you run is designed to beat that players job and put him in conflict. Or a combination of both. Defensive wise I want my coaches to watch their position. If that happens or not I have no idea. Too many people watch the ball. I don't want feedback between plays, coaches should coach/help/remind their position of things between series/plays. I am watching the general scheme off the offense. I know from watching film what I should be looking at. EX: If we are playing Wing T I am watching the guards. They will immediately tell me what the play is and I know where my eyes should go and what should happen to defeat that play. If we don't defeat the play I will say something to the position coach so he can address it. Since position coaches should be watching their kid they should be able to tell me what Johnny did on that play if I missed it. If they can't I just watch the film and figure it out on my own anyways. Usually the film is better information anyways. If they're a big personnel grouping type team I will have a coach designated to watch what grouping they send in, because that can affect what I call. Between plays I look at D&D and field position so I know what to call. Special teams wise same deal as defense. Watch their group. I know what generally should happen and see the overall big picture. I know return should set up like _____, the block should come out like _____, etc. Did the other team adjust to it or did our kids mess it up? Regardless of O, D, SPT, the position coach should be able to help/coach their kid up so they don't make the same mistake twice. |
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Post by Coach Vint on May 5, 2017 8:16:10 GMT -6
WR-On Field- Nearside Secondary QB-On Field- Watches QB TE-On Field (Knows OL) Nearside of Box OL- In Box-Far side Box RB- In Box- Farside Secondary Frosh OL-Box- Charts Plays LB/DC- On Field- Near side Box OLB- On Field- Backfield Safeties- On Field- Watches near side secondary- Handles ST Personnel Corners-Box Far side secondary DL- On Field- Watches DL Frosh LB- Box- Charts Defense Defensive coaches split out punt return and kickoff and PAT Block. Offensive staff handles KOR, XP/FG, and Punt We have 6 in the Box. There are a few places we play where it gets a little bit crowded, but most places have room for at least 4 of us to sit. Our box holds 10. drive.google.com/file/d/0ByLvZUVKp_gIU3lubmZ0MUkzQUk/view?usp=sharingI am blessed to be in a place where football matters. When I was in NYC I was upstairs calling the Offense. I would spot for the defense as well. We had one guy next to me charting. Our DB coach had to film, and he had a headset on while he filmed. We had to make sure we didn't record the sound! When I was at the college level we had as many as 12 guys in the box. Typically the offensive and defensive coaches were in separate boxes. Regardless of how many coaches were in the box, find what works best for you. I like the box guys to be far side and field guys to be near side. Have one guy in the box checking special teams personnel and depth charts. Have one guy on the field assigned to inform players of special teams personnel changes. He is also in charge of special teams alerts on 3rd down. The key is that guys have to have their eyes on what they are supposed to see. There is nothing worse than a guy not seeing what he is supposed to watch, and missing a defender playing out of position. |
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Post by dijackson08 on May 5, 2017 8:34:21 GMT -6
We have 3 on each side of the ball in our press box but you can make it happen with less. Offensively we have a guy charting our offensive play calls. A guy charting defensive fronts and pressures and a guy charting coverages and watching the secondary. Defensively we have a guy charting their offense. A guy watching our box giving feedback on DL and LB's. Then we have a guy watching our secondary and charting pass concepts. The DL guy is also charting our defensive calls. 6 coaches in the box? How many coaches do you have? Some schools don't have 6 total. HC: Field OC: Field RB: Field OL: Box QB: Box WR: Box DC: Field DB: Field LB: Box DL: Box OLB: Field Freshman OC: Box Freshman DC: Box Freshman Coach: Get Back Freshman Coach: Works the tunnel and smoke machines and directs ball kids. 2 jr high coaches do our filming EZ/Press Box. Other 4 jr high coaches scout future opponents. |
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Post by kylem56 on May 5, 2017 12:53:06 GMT -6
Thank you all for your responses so far!
Next question, as an OC , what information are you wanting to be communicated to you as soon as the play is blown dead?
How about as the DC, what information are you wanting to know ASAP?
I am looking to form a system where there is a logical order of information shared every snap, not 2-4 coaches sharing what they say saw all at once.
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Post by dijackson08 on May 7, 2017 7:39:14 GMT -6
Thank you all for your responses so far! Next question, as an OC , what information are you wanting to be communicated to you as soon as the play is blown dead?
How about as the DC, what information are you wanting to know ASAP? I am looking to form a system where there is a logical order of information shared every snap, not 2-4 coaches sharing what they say saw all at once. On the defensive side down, distance, hash right away. Then we notify him of kids that are making technique errors, If he ask questions about the opponents play calling we have it all charted and we draw all new formations and track the plays they run from it so we can adjust our call sheets at halftime. We also notify the DC if they start blocking plays differently. I'm in the box watching our defensive fronts so I do that stuff and keep my mouth shut unless he ask a question. Talking to much about unimportant stuff is a way to get dog cussed on our headset and Ass chewed on Saturday lol. |
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Post by aceback76 on May 7, 2017 8:37:31 GMT -6
hey coaches A little background info: Entering our 3rd season at a Class B school in Michigan. For the most part, I have a young staff that is eager to learn but still lacks Friday night experience. Myself (Head Coach OC/ O-Line) and my DC (RB's / LB's) are on the sideline. I also have another assistant who is my QB/DB coach and finds kids for substitutions when needed. My question for you all is:
What are your assignments for your coaches on offense in the press box?
What are your assignments for your coaches on defense in the press box?
Special teams assignments?
Building on that, I want to have a system in place in each phase of the game. For example on offense, after a play is over, Press Box Coach A is communicating this, Press Box Coach B then is communicating ___, etc. Same thing for defense and special teams. Our staff is set up like this:
HC/OC/OL/Specials (Me)- on field DC / RB / LB / Specials- on field QB / DB- on field Coach A (JV OC / RB / DEs)- box Coach B (JV DC / OL / DL)- box Coach C (JV HC / OL / DL, most experienced of the 3 box coaches)- box *Coach D (former/retired HFC,if we can get him to commit, he would be an extra set of eyes in the box)- box I will also have a volunteer assistant on the sideline with an iPad since we purchased Hudl Sideline for this upcoming season (Which I have questions about for another thread). What I am looking for on every play is results/data communicated then myself or my DC makes the next call. I am not looking for opinions (oh man Johnny is such a pu$$y) or suggestions (but coach the fade is there!). I have good young coaches who need direction and I think they/we could be successful with a system in place. I look forward to your responses! OUR OFFENSE (we used this in both Large High School AND Small College): A) PRESS BOX Coach 1 = before snap call play; after snap watch the front; (RECORD: plays by D & D) Coach 2 = before snap watch the front; after snap watch the backs; (RECORD: alignments, stunts, dogs, by D & D; also carries by backs) Coach 3 = before snap snap watch secondary; after snap watch the receivers; (RECORD: Secondary by D & D; individual receptions/attempts) B) ON THE FIELD Coach 1 = before snap send in play; after snap watch QB execution Coach 2 = before snap know play called; after snap watch point of attack; (RECORD: each play & results; press box comments) Coach 3 = before snap know play called; after snap watch backside G, T *Each of these individuals has his own charts (forms), etc. |
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Post by **** on May 7, 2017 10:10:04 GMT -6
Thank you all for your responses so far! Next question, as an OC , what information are you wanting to be communicated to you as soon as the play is blown dead?
How about as the DC, what information are you wanting to know ASAP? I am looking to form a system where there is a logical order of information shared every snap, not 2-4 coaches sharing what they say saw all at once. OC - Depends which system you subscribe to that I stated above. Either who made the tackle or what did the guy do that you're trying to put in conflict. DC - If we seriously phuked up I usually already know what happened. If I missed it then I'll ask what happened to Johnny on that play? Johnnys position coach tells me that he didn't _____. I look at D&D but I could have somebody tell that to me. It's not hard to do so I just do it myself. As soon as the kid is getting tackled I'm checking D&D and my call sheet so I can get the next call in ASAP. Nobody should speak unless I speak to them first. Preferably everybody is muted besides me and the guy that signals in the call. He only talks if he needs me to repeat the call for him. |
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Post by Chris Clement on May 7, 2017 14:27:31 GMT -6
Last year it was me up and the OC down and this was what worked best.
At the end of the play I'd call out "[down] and [distance] at the [yard line], [hash]." And maybe one more pressing piece of information when applicable.
Then I'd stay quiet until I heard the call, using that time to write down the down, distance, field position, hash, as well as the front/cover/blitz of the previous play, when I could catch it.
Once the call was in I'd write that as well, while a backup QB would keep a redundant copy on the sidelines.
Then I'd make any remarks that were appropriate like "that's six passes in a row on P-10," or "pull Tarrance for Nick after this play, he's had six carries and a reception on this drive." Sometimes brief discussion would ensue.
If I had a brainwave this would be the time to interject but that's kind of a green light/red light thing. I always backed up my suggestions like "they're killing zone because the BSLB is staying home so our cutback isn't working. We need to come back with counter. They're playing the 3 to the field so we need to wait until we're on the left hash and then hit them with counter right so we get John and Alvin pulling and the centre isn't trying to block back on the 3 which he struggles in doing."
As the play got set I'd either watch something specific or try and get a general look because we lacked the manpower for me to watch one thing all game. If we'd had the bodies I'd have set assignments for everyone. Stop talking as the motion starts.
As soon as a drive ended we'd discuss any problems first, like injuries or recurring missed assignments. Then we'd move on to fixes and adjustments.
Once the defense forces 2-long or they threaten to score I start talking about the next call. The goal is to always be a call ahead, so for P-10 it's easy because you know you're facing 1-10. Other plays you have two or three general ideas. If the situation comes and what you had in mind isn't suitable then you can dump it but it's a grave sin to be stammering looking for a call as the play clock is running.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 8, 2017 12:53:21 GMT -6
I've always worked under this basic premise, What do I need to know
-Now
-Before the next series
-Before the half
With the sideline tech now, this can be a lot easier but we still work under that premise. The answers for those questions will be dependent on your particular situation.
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