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Post by buck42 on Sept 30, 2007 12:33:49 GMT -6
How strong is your team? Meaning how many guys to you have squatting 500 lbs or 400 lbs...cleans, bench, incline...etc....
Since I do not teach (sell real estate in the area, but I am at EVERY practice and meeting) I just found out on Friday night after the game that our strongest player has a 365 squat....our starting DE squats 285...yes maxs out with these numbers...
I know this is weak...but I am not sure how weak it is....any details would be great...thanks in advance...
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Post by coachbdud on Sept 30, 2007 13:05:09 GMT -6
almost no one at my school lifts, just can not get kids to show up, we only have a few kids that lift and they are much stronger than everyone else
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Post by CoachDaniel on Sept 30, 2007 19:04:12 GMT -6
Our weight program has become a real cornerstone of the program. MAYBE 3 starters on either side of the ball have not been heavily involved. Most injuries have been players who were not involved. No one other than one FS/WR that starts has a squat under 300lbs.
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Post by phantom on Oct 2, 2007 11:24:25 GMT -6
We have 12 guys who squat over 400.
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Post by wingman on Oct 2, 2007 11:58:28 GMT -6
Squat marks are meaningless unless you see them or they were donein a certified powerlifting meet. A guy who can squat 600 5 inches above parallel will get crushed by 450 in a real top of thighs parallel squat. Clean marks are pretty good comparison if they're correct.
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Post by mtsooner on Oct 2, 2007 12:22:20 GMT -6
As a former competitive powerlifter, I'll tell you squat and bench press has less to do with showing a person's true power and strength and more to do with a person's physical makeup (i.e., height, arm length, leg length, build, etc.) and of they have great technique and decent explosiveness. The true masters of the squat and bench press are built for those lifts and they have become experts in the techniques used in those lifts.
The truest test of a human's strength in powerlifting is definitely the deadlift. It utilizes nearly all muscle groups as well as tremendous explosion and technique. A person's physical makeup has less to do with the deadlift than any other lift. Look at the great Lamar Gant as an example....he had scoliosis and still was able to lift 6 times his bodyweight!
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 2, 2007 12:37:33 GMT -6
i know a guy who competes in lifting contests, and he came bakc to the school to show the players how he lifts, and it is terrible. he can bench 500 pounds, but the technique they use is not gonna make you a better football player, they put there arms so wide and lift their back and chest up, they dont use pecs, its all lats and triceps to do the lift
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Post by eickst on Oct 2, 2007 13:33:31 GMT -6
I have seen loads of guys squat over 500 pounds. It's not something that I personally would consider a complete rep, but hey, whatever floats your boat. I do ATG back squats and front squats only, so I can't comment on the quarter squat phenomenon that has been sweeping this nation over the past 20 years.
Secondly, as mtsooner said, alot of those lifting numbers have a lot to do with physical attributes. It's very hard for me to bench press because I am very tall and have long arms. So, short guys usually out bench me, and even the ones who bench the same as me have MUCH larger arms and look stronger (but who cares about looks). However, I can deadlift a HELL of a lot easier than those guys can because my arms are so long. I have to DL off of a damn platform to get good depth.
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Post by calicoachh on Oct 2, 2007 14:13:27 GMT -6
the amount of weight you lift isn't as important as the improvement that you make. i have had some very strong kids that could not play a lick, but if a kid works hard in the weight room, as improves his numbers and gets stronger, then you may have something. it is about committment towards a goal of getting stronger.
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Post by mtsooner on Oct 2, 2007 14:24:16 GMT -6
the amount of weight you lift isn't as important as the improvement that you make. i have had some very strong kids that could not play a lick, but if a kid works hard in the weight room, as improves his numbers and gets stronger, then you may have something. it is about committment towards a goal of getting stronger. Ditto that coach.....couldn't agree more! |
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Post by wildcat on Oct 2, 2007 18:50:03 GMT -6
I would put our guys up against any team here if the lift was 1-arm dumbbell concentration curls...  |
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Post by phantom on Oct 2, 2007 19:22:44 GMT -6
As a former competitive powerlifter, I'll tell you squat and bench press has less to do with showing a person's true power and strength and more to do with a person's physical makeup (i.e., height, arm length, leg length, build, etc.) and of they have great technique and decent explosiveness. The true masters of the squat and bench press are built for those lifts and they have become experts in the techniques used in those lifts. The truest test of a human's strength in powerlifting is definitely the deadlift. It utilizes nearly all muscle groups as well as tremendous explosion and technique. A person's physical makeup has less to do with the deadlift than any other lift. Look at the great Lamar Gant as an example....he had scoliosis and still was able to lift 6 times his bodyweight! I agree. That's why I was happy to see that we had 12 guys dead lift 500 lbs. or more. |
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Post by buck42 on Oct 3, 2007 8:27:27 GMT -6
I guess what I was trying to figure out is regardless of the "actual" weight and how it breaks down to long arms and short legs...do you feel that your team is as strong, equal to most of the teams you play or are you the weaker team?
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Post by wingman on Oct 3, 2007 11:50:26 GMT -6
We are definately stronger than most teams we play but almost all of them also work hard there. We'll start the Monday after football and go 2.5 hours a day 4 days a week straight through to football. Improvement is the best indicator of success not raw numbers. We maxed in December and late July and went from 1 guy benching 300 to 11. 3 guys cleaning 250 to 21, o guys snatching 200 to 9 and 3 guys squatting 400 to 13.
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Post by eickst on Oct 3, 2007 14:47:32 GMT -6
1 guy benching 300 to 11. 3 guys cleaning 250 to 21, o guys snatching 200 to 9 and 3 guys squatting 400 to 13. Wow benching 300 and then being able to only bench 11 isn't much of an improvement.... ;D  |
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Post by buck42 on Oct 4, 2007 10:17:52 GMT -6
eickst...read it again...."1 guy benching 300 to 11"...
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Post by eickst on Oct 4, 2007 12:18:15 GMT -6
eickst...read it again...."1 guy benching 300 to 11"... Exactly   |
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Post by wingman on Oct 4, 2007 12:36:59 GMT -6
he wasn't feeling good that day.
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Post by biggroff on Oct 5, 2007 13:46:29 GMT -6
mtsooner,
I agree with the theme of your post. Physical attibutes play a vey big role in determining maximum lift numbers.
I do disagree with your comment about deadlifts. As a former Powerlifter and current olympic lifter I had a very good deadlift (650 lbs max at 198 lbs) due to the fact my arm were very long. I have seen many lifters that could easily deadlift more that the could squat simply becasue they could sumo deadlift the weight. Flexible hips and long arms are a huge advantage to big numbers in the deadlift. (Long arms a very big negative in the bench). A really good squat suit never hurts either!
The king of lifts is the clean and the snatch...pure and simple. You can't fake big numbers in the clean. IF you can clean over 315 Lbs you have to have some pretty good technique.
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Post by touchdowng on Oct 6, 2007 21:08:03 GMT -6
We test like all but the numbers have to mean something in terms of performance translation.
We test squats and we also test vertical jump. If the squat max is going up and the vertical isn't, then what's the point?
We have nobody over 300 on bench but a bunch of guys over 225
We have a bunch over 300 on squat and over a dozen over 350 and about a half dozen over 400. We have two close to 500 and their vertical jump have improved over 8" in the past year. To me, that's more important than the pounds.
We also test deadlift but we use that to be able to squat more powerfully.
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