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Post by freezeoption on Apr 12, 2017 18:17:46 GMT -6
I have left some schools on good terms, others not. I take everything with me that is mine. I was the hc at one small school, I had chutes built for my line, had a set of old phones that I bought from a buddy cheap that they were getting rid of. I ticked off a school board member when I did not play his kid enough. So when I left I took my stuff with me. The next school I went to the old school called up my principal and asked him where those things went. He asked me and I said I paid for that stuff with my money so I have it. I've taken those chutes with me to other schools, best chutes I ever had.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Apr 12, 2017 18:59:01 GMT -6
Last year, I didn't expect to return (but I did, long story) and I made sure that I had all of my stuff and all the work I had done was saved on my jump drive and was printed off.
My fiance knew what was going on when I came home one evening with around 1000 pages printed out.
And even if someone leaves on the best of terms, I take everything and leave nothing. Because you never know when that might be used down the road, in a year or two, from somebody who got it in exchange for some film.
I know a lot of that might be being paranoid, but I'm not one to take those kind of chances of stuff getting out there.
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Post by craines10 on Apr 13, 2017 9:16:57 GMT -6
I'm not sure if any of them had a copy. I am the OC and we hold Defensive meetings separate. The HC, myself and former DC were the only admins on HUDL. Well, the good news is that the new DC gets to write his own playbook. HC is the new DC lol
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Post by benloe on Apr 16, 2017 9:50:30 GMT -6
Well, the good news is that the new DC gets to write his own playbook. Agreed. What I'd do as the new DC, though, is to learn the terminology that the players and staff is used to. If I talk about force players, while the last guy used to talk about contain players, I'm wasting time teaching new terminology when I should spend that time teaching fundamentals.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 16, 2017 10:20:38 GMT -6
Our DC left the staff after 1 season like immediately after we lost in the playoffs. He and the HC had philosophical differences to say it politely...Well around late December HC calls me and asks me where was the defensive playbook. I told him I didnt know, and come to find out the DC deleted the playbook off HUDL. It was his 4-2-5 defense and his terminology...but it appears HC was really upset about him deleting the playbook. My question is..was he wrong? When I talked to him he said No way he was leaving his playbook on there for our HC to steal. What are you guys thoughts? Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, it's done. What are going to do, sue him? It's still $hitty and petty. But yes, there is nothing more than can be done.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 16, 2017 10:31:41 GMT -6
I have left some schools on good terms, others not. I take everything with me that is mine. I was the hc at one small school, I had chutes built for my line, had a set of old phones that I bought from a buddy cheap that they were getting rid of. I ticked off a school board member when I did not play his kid enough. So when I left I took my stuff with me. The next school I went to the old school called up my principal and asked him where those things went. He asked me and I said I paid for that stuff with my money so I have it. I've taken those chutes with me to other schools, best chutes I ever had. I understand taking stuff like that with you. But deleting computer files? That's something I would never do unless I was leaving on bad terms and wanted to jam it up someone's a$$. For those of you guys who have left on good terms but delete all your stuff before you go, did you tell the other coaches you were doing that? What if those guys liked your stuff and wanted to continued to use it? I think that is really petty. If anything, if I left on good terms but the guys remaining still wanted to use my stuff, I would view that as a heck of a nice compliment.
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Post by benloe on Apr 16, 2017 10:39:37 GMT -6
I think that is really petty. If anything, if I left on good terms but the guys remaining still wanted to use my stuff, I would view that as a heck of a nice compliment. I'll add to that: The eagerness to share knowledge is partly what makes the coaching profession so great, and what makes us improve as coaches. If I'm leaving on good terms, I hope they learnt something from me while I was there.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 16, 2017 15:09:46 GMT -6
Something that hasn't been touched on in this thread, (but a very real issue if someone wanted to make it one) is the actual ownership of the material. I don't have it with me right now, but I know there is language in my districts collective bargaining contract over the ownership of things "created" while employed by the district. I also know that in the private sector, in many cases things you create while working for a company belong to the company.
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Post by bigmoot on Apr 16, 2017 17:54:17 GMT -6
iirc, anything created using district property belongs to the district...I use hudl and it's playbook at school, the material legally belongs to the school.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 16, 2017 19:29:28 GMT -6
Agreed. What I'd do as the new DC, though, is to learn the terminology that the players and staff is used to. If I talk about force players, while the last guy used to talk about contain players, I'm wasting time teaching new terminology when I should spend that time teaching fundamentals. Isn't that what installing a new system is all about? We went to a new school 3 years ago and I found their old wristband with 100 offensive plays on it, threw it right out. Took all their old play books and tossed em. I don't care how they talked it's our team our system now. Kids probably don't even remember their old stuff after a few weeks any ways. As far as the OP, no one else on staff had a playbook or knew the system enough to inform the other coaches still there? We left a school 4 years ago. Deleted everything except game film on HUDL. Think we left 3 dry erase markers and an eraser in the coaches office. Bit different with the whole staff leaving but even if it was just me unless someone kept what I passed out I'm leaving no trace I was there.
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Post by natenator on Apr 16, 2017 20:26:44 GMT -6
Something that hasn't been touched on in this thread, (but a very real issue if someone wanted to make it one) is the actual ownership of the material. I don't have it with me right now, but I know there is language in my districts collective bargaining contract over the ownership of things "created" while employed by the district. I also know that in the private sector, in many cases things you create while working for a company belong to the company. Speaking on the private sector side that is true. Most places I have worked have included language to that effect. I always negotiate my contracts to remove that language as I develop a lot of IP in my own time with my consulting that I want to ensure remains with me.
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Post by benloe on Apr 17, 2017 1:10:10 GMT -6
Agreed. What I'd do as the new DC, though, is to learn the terminology that the players and staff is used to. If I talk about force players, while the last guy used to talk about contain players, I'm wasting time teaching new terminology when I should spend that time teaching fundamentals. Isn't that what installing a new system is all about? We went to a new school 3 years ago and I found their old wristband with 100 offensive plays on it, threw it right out. Took all their old play books and tossed em. I don't care how they talked it's our team our system now. Kids probably don't even remember their old stuff after a few weeks any ways. As far as the OP, no one else on staff had a playbook or knew the system enough to inform the other coaches still there? We left a school 4 years ago. Deleted everything except game film on HUDL. Think we left 3 dry erase markers and an eraser in the coaches office. Bit different with the whole staff leaving but even if it was just me unless someone kept what I passed out I'm leaving no trace I was there. Let's agree to disagree. I'm just being pragmatic. I'm a language teacher. Sure, they may have forgotten parts of the language while they didn't use it, but it's much easier to re-learn than to learn a completely new grammatical system. More often than not, I'm relatively fluent in other coaches' terminology, so it's a lot easier for me to learn the verbage than it would be for the entire team (and staff) to learn a new language.
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