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Post by 7384729737 on Oct 29, 2007 22:46:50 GMT -6
I am just curious of any offenses or coaches that you know of that use a "blocking back", like in the single wing and the way Urban Meyer uses it?
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Post by dubber on Oct 30, 2007 1:13:24 GMT -6
hmmmmmmm, can anyone think of one? ;D
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Post by tedseay on Oct 30, 2007 7:24:17 GMT -6
I am just curious of any offenses or coaches that you know of that use a "blocking back", like in the single wing and the way Urban Meyer uses it? A true, single-purpose blocking back (or at least with limited passing, pass-catching or ball-carrying duties) which would exclude I formation fullbacks, Joe Gibbs-style H-backs, or Homer Rice "Short-T" style "shortbacks"? Single Wing Short Punt Notre Dame Box Steve Owen's "A" Formation Bob Blackman's "V" Formation |
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Post by phantom on Oct 30, 2007 7:53:21 GMT -6
They all use one just not "conventional". Nobody lines in the I and just pounds. . We do. |
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Post by tedseay on Oct 30, 2007 8:09:40 GMT -6
A true, single-purpose blocking back (or at least with limited passing, pass-catching or ball-carrying duties) which would exclude I formation fullbacks, Joe Gibbs-style H-backs, or Homer Rice "Short-T" style "shortbacks"? Really? Chris cooley? kleinsasser? Mike Alstott? Really. Much more versatile than their direct-snap counterparts. |
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Post by dubber on Oct 30, 2007 9:48:02 GMT -6
you mean like mike vick? who cant pass? or block? or or play football anymore? I believe Ted is trying to exclude those modern "blocking back" players who go out on routes (cooley) and run the ball a little (alstott) By Blocking Back, we mean 100% glorified o-linemen As in, their primary (perhaps even sole function) is to block----kickout, lead through That would exclude modern "blocking backs", because they consistently go out on routes off PAP, and even run the ball a little. Ergo, Ted's list of direct snap blocking backs. Direct Snap for those who do not know (I didn't until about a year ago) means the ball is snapped directly to the primary runner...............SW stuff basically...........It's what Flordia does with Tim Tebow on GL. By contrast, Indirest Snap is when the ball is snapped to the QB, and he hands off/pitches the ball to the primary ball carrier So, in my understanding, shotgun spread teams can be both. QB sweep would be direct snap Zone read would be indirect snap |
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Post by k on Oct 30, 2007 9:54:41 GMT -6
What about someone like Lorenzo Neal that has had seasons with like one rush the entire year and doesn't have a thousand yards in his 16 or whatever year career?
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Post by dubber on Oct 30, 2007 10:06:01 GMT -6
What about someone like Lorenzo Neal that has had seasons with like one rush the entire year and doesn't have a thousand yards in his 16 or whatever year career? I don't think he counts because he consistetly goes out on routes Also, he carries the ball a little more than once a year. I have to side with Ted, I think blocking back refers to SWish direct snap offenses------not indirect snap Pro-style (or other) formations |
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Post by cc on Oct 30, 2007 10:29:24 GMT -6
mack strong
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Post by tedseay on Oct 30, 2007 11:06:07 GMT -6
What about someone like Lorenzo Neal that has had seasons with like one rush the entire year and doesn't have a thousand yards in his 16 or whatever year career? I don't think he counts because he consistetly goes out on routes Also, he carries the ball a little more than once a year. I have to side with Ted, I think blocking back refers to SWish direct snap offenses------not indirect snap Pro-style (or other) formations Thanks, chief. Although Blackman's "V" formation at Dartmouth had a QB under center and a blocking back which he deliberately borrowed from single wing... I answered the original question, I'm done here. |
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Post by dubber on Oct 30, 2007 15:22:42 GMT -6
Do you watch lorenzo neal? He is a glorified linemen, as is kleinsasser. football has not changed that much. Do I think you will ever see a qb block a de? NO! it is amazing seem to hate the game the way is played but yet the game really hasnt changed in about 100 years in terms of the running plays. I understand what you are saying, and if I grant the premise of your argument (that a blocking back is defined as a skilled position whose main function is to block), I agree Now, can you understand my side of the argument? |
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Post by dubber on Oct 30, 2007 21:48:32 GMT -6
I understand it but it is being done. But not in the sense so many people want it to happen and what makes so fun is that it is being done with skilled people. Like it or not. ?Como? |
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 30, 2007 22:44:59 GMT -6
The Side-Saddle T used a blocking back. The ball could be snapped directly to the RB behind the center or to the QB who sat side-saddle to the center with his hands under.
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Post by 7384729737 on Oct 30, 2007 23:01:23 GMT -6
I think I'm looking for more info on the way Florida uses their blocking back when they line him up like:
0...............0.0.[].0.0.0..............0
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Post by tedseay on Oct 31, 2007 10:31:58 GMT -6
I think I'm looking for more info on the way Florida uses their blocking back when they line him up like: 0...............0.0.[].0.0.0..............0 ......0...................B....... .......................0 Coach: If you'd like some input from someone who's actually coached the position, here's a quote from my playbook on the direct snap "A" Formation: Blocking Back (2 back): This is a "third guard" who can be taught to catch short passes in the flats. He should love blocking, and especially laying people out on blindside trap blocks. |
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Post by 7384729737 on Oct 31, 2007 21:43:50 GMT -6
Well Coach Seay, just where is your "A" formation located?
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Post by k on Nov 1, 2007 4:35:51 GMT -6
I don't think he counts because he consistetly goes out on routes Also, he carries the ball a little more than once a year. I'd be shocked if he had 1000 yards receiving his entire career. If he catches the ball once and runs the ball once a game and blocks every other play the entire game I'd have to call that a blocking back. =) |
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Post by tedseay on Nov 1, 2007 5:26:50 GMT -6
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Post by 7384729737 on Nov 1, 2007 9:10:28 GMT -6
Thanks coach, I knew a savfile link was coming.
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Post by dubber on Nov 1, 2007 11:29:28 GMT -6
I don't think he counts because he consistetly goes out on routes Also, he carries the ball a little more than once a year. I'd be shocked if he had 1000 yards receiving his entire career. If he catches the ball once and runs the ball once a game and blocks every other play the entire game I'd have to call that a blocking back. =) OK........let's understand two different understandings of "blocking back" The first one: Is a FB or H-back in a modern offense whose primary function is to block. They are, however, consistently going out on routes (not always getting the ball thrown to them, but they are an option), and are at least a threat to carry the ball on most plays. Since he earns his money by kicking out the backside DE on IZ, or leading up on Mike on Iso, he earns the title of "blocking back" The second definiton: In direct snap offenses (SW, short punt, Norte Dame box, etc.) there is a "sniffer back" or a back whose function is to block. Most of these offenses emphasis off-tackle powers, and this is the guy kicking out the force player 45+ times a game. If he goes out on a route, or runs the ball, it is very rarely. Usually those are one-trick ponies in these offenses. These "blocking backs" are, as Ted Seay pointed out, "3rd Guards". There is a difference between the two, despite a simularity in name and a somewhat commoness of duty..........their skill sets are different, and the offenses they play in are different. .......don't confuse a SW "blocking back" (an actually position) to the FB in a 21 personnel offense who gets dubbed "a blocking back" because that is what he does most of the time. |
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Post by k on Nov 1, 2007 12:01:26 GMT -6
OK........let's understand two different understandings of "blocking back" I'm saying that I think it is a faulty differentiation. Are they though? They are both essentially guards in the backfield. The only difference is that of time and the sophistication of the offense. In both cases you have a guard in the backfield who blocks 99% of the time. Regardless of the name put on them. |
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Post by lochness on Nov 1, 2007 13:05:15 GMT -6
We use a sniffer in short yardage situations, goal-line situations, or "up yours" situations with an "I" or "splitbacks" set in the backfield. The purpose of this player is to block.
Is this what you're asking?? I guess I don't understand the question...
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Post by dubber on Nov 1, 2007 13:15:14 GMT -6
I guess I don't understand the question... apparently I don't either |
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Post by coachorr on Nov 4, 2007 0:55:33 GMT -6
Last year we put our Nose guard at Fullback and ran the I with Wing-T blocking. It was murder against the traditional 4-3 (over and under).
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