tedseay
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Post by tedseay on Dec 2, 2007 4:58:24 GMT -6
Congratulations to June Jones, his staff and his team for running the table and finishing 12-0. Strength of schedule arguments aside, what Hawai'i didn't do in The Year of the Upset™ was lose a football game, whether they were favored to win or not. Now let the real fun begin -- the pairing of teams in BCS bowls...  |
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50Murf
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Post by 50Murf on Dec 2, 2007 13:29:34 GMT -6
I love that they went undefeated - kinda like a shove right up the NCAA'a arse!! You can only play who you play - and they beat all 12 opponents.
I hope they get to a good bowl and that they play well and maybe even do a Boise State and pull off an upset.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 2, 2007 14:03:04 GMT -6
Hawaii definitly deserves a BSC Bowl birth. Colt Brennan has a cannon for an arm and he is very impressive. He deserves a trip to NY for the Heisman as well.
I know it's stretching it but Hawaii has a good argument for going to the Nat'l Championship since a 2 loss team is going to get in and they are 12-0.
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 2, 2007 14:07:15 GMT -6
I do not think they deserve a BCS game. I know they have no control over who they play in conf. but they do pick who they play out of conf. I know some teams wont play them at Hawaii, but I am sure they could find a tougher schedule then this.
Northern Colorado(1-11) W 63-6
@ La Tech(5-7) W 45-44 ot
@unlv(2-10) W 49-14
Charleston Southern(5-6)W 66-10
@idaho(1-11)W 48-20
Utah State(2-10)W 52-37
@ San Jose State(5-7)w 42-35ot
New Mexico state(4-9)w 50-13
Fresno State(8-4)W 37-30
@ Neveda(6-6)W 28-26
Boise State(10-2)W 39-27
Washington(4-8)W 35-28
That is only 5 away games, 2 teams with winning records(3 if you count 6-6 Nevada), 2 D2 teams with losing records and close games with the teams with winning records. They do deserve a big bowl game just not a BCS IMO. I know you said strength of schedule aside, but that is a big part of the standings.
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Post by airman on Dec 2, 2007 14:12:37 GMT -6
I do not think they deserve a BCS game. I know they have no control over who they play in conf. but they do pick who they play out of conf. I know some teams wont play them at Hawaii, but I am sure they could find a tougher schedule then this. Northern Colorado(1-11) W 63-6 @ La Tech(5-7) W 45-44 ot @unlv(2-10) W 49-14 Charleston Southern(5-6)W 66-10 @idaho(1-11)W 48-20 Utah State(2-10)W 52-37 @ San Jose State(5-7)w 42-35ot New Mexico state(4-9)w 50-13 Fresno State(8-4)W 37-30 @ Neveda(6-6)W 28-26 Boise State(10-2)W 39-27 Washington(4-8)W 35-28 That is only 5 away games, 2 teams with winning records(3 if you count 6-6 Nevada), 2 D2 teams with losing records and close games with the teams with winning records. They do deserve a big bowl game just not a BCS IMO. I know you said strength of schedule aside, but that is a big part of the standings. which two teams were D2? Norther colorado is d 1aa. they left the north central confrence years ago. |
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Post by airman on Dec 2, 2007 14:15:33 GMT -6
personally I would like to see a playoff but the power brokers are not going to let that happen.
so really it is time to have a 3 teir system.
The Big 6 confrences would be BCS
The Little 6 confrences would have the Next set of bowls
and the D1aa would have the championship.
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 2, 2007 14:19:02 GMT -6
I do not think they deserve a BCS game. I know they have no control over who they play in conf. but they do pick who they play out of conf. I know some teams wont play them at Hawaii, but I am sure they could find a tougher schedule then this. Northern Colorado(1-11) W 63-6 @ La Tech(5-7) W 45-44 ot @unlv(2-10) W 49-14 Charleston Southern(5-6)W 66-10 @idaho(1-11)W 48-20 Utah State(2-10)W 52-37 @ San Jose State(5-7)w 42-35ot New Mexico state(4-9)w 50-13 Fresno State(8-4)W 37-30 @ Neveda(6-6)W 28-26 Boise State(10-2)W 39-27 Washington(4-8)W 35-28 That is only 5 away games, 2 teams with winning records(3 if you count 6-6 Nevada), 2 D2 teams with losing records and close games with the teams with winning records. They do deserve a big bowl game just not a BCS IMO. I know you said strength of schedule aside, but that is a big part of the standings. which two teams were D2? Norther colorado is d 1aa. they left the north central confrence years ago. Sorry, I should of said non D1 teams. Also forgot to say that I did not do this to to start a argument I just thought I would post my opinion and show how I got there. Yes, in the year of the upset it is nice to see a team not fall victim to a upset and when they play in a BCS game I will most likly cheer for them because I love the under dog. |
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 2, 2007 14:31:04 GMT -6
It's been said in other threads....Hawaii tried to schedule Michigan but Mich. would not play them. They chose Apalacian St. instead, haha nice choice. Although they did not have a tough schedule they did do all they could which was win every game. Many which were by blowouts. Also most of the teams in the top 5 right now lost to non ranked teams so whats that say about them? Hawaii deserves a BSC
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Post by coachcb on Dec 2, 2007 14:57:12 GMT -6
They'll end up with a top notch bowl game this year; they'll get a chance to prove their worth. It'd be great to see them knock off a good BCS conference team this year.
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 2, 2007 15:15:47 GMT -6
"Hoʻomaikaʻi ʻana" What does this mean?
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Post by airman on Dec 2, 2007 15:43:58 GMT -6
which two teams were D2? Norther colorado is d 1aa. they left the north central confrence years ago. Sorry, I should of said non D1 teams. Also forgot to say that I did not do this to to start a argument I just thought I would post my opinion and show how I got there. Yes, in the year of the upset it is nice to see a team not fall victim to a upset and when they play in a BCS game I will most likly cheer for them because I love the under dog. and what are non division 1 teams? D1aa has 63 scholarships and 10 coaches on there staff. d1a has 85 scholarships and 13 fulltime coaches on there staff. it is not like d1aa is that far behind d1a. the only difference is money and stadium size. 1aa has a better graduation rate. not to metion several 1aa schools have beaten 1a schools. app. state beating michgian. NDSU soundly beating minnesota. a lot of your top schools now days schedule little sisters of the poor as there non confrence game. It is a huge money maker for the 1aa teams. why do you thing navy plays noter dame? ND game, gives navy enough money to pay for there whole football program. It is kind of interesting now how 1a is complaining about having to pay 1aa and midmajor 1a schools $350,000 to 600,000 for a game. Wisconisn AD Barry Alverez is complaing how these schools are shaking down 1a schools for money because they know the big 1a schools need nonconfrence games. |
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Post by coachjimmer on Dec 2, 2007 15:53:26 GMT -6
Hoʻomaikaʻi ʻana is "Congratulations" in Hawaiian.
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Post by ticobrown on Dec 2, 2007 15:58:57 GMT -6
I do not think they deserve a BCS game. I know they have no control over who they play in conf. but they do pick who they play out of conf. I know some teams wont play them at Hawaii, but I am sure they could find a tougher schedule then this. Northern Colorado(1-11) W 63-6 @ La Tech(5-7) W 45-44 ot @unlv(2-10) W 49-14 Charleston Southern(5-6)W 66-10 @idaho(1-11)W 48-20 Utah State(2-10)W 52-37 @ San Jose State(5-7)w 42-35ot New Mexico state(4-9)w 50-13 Fresno State(8-4)W 37-30 @ Neveda(6-6)W 28-26 Boise State(10-2)W 39-27 Washington(4-8)W 35-28 That is only 5 away games, 2 teams with winning records(3 if you count 6-6 Nevada), 2 D2 teams with losing records and close games with the teams with winning records. They do deserve a big bowl game just not a BCS IMO. I know you said strength of schedule aside, but that is a big part of the standings. Just want to know if you're a fan of a BCS team. Because only someone who is a fan or associated with a BCS team would say something like that. Especially when Michigan turned Hawaii (and ESPN) down to play Appalachain State, Michigan State paid them $250K so that they wouldn't have to play Hawaii, USC and Mississppi State wouldn't host Hawaii so that they can play Idaho and Gardner-Webb, respectively. It's too bad no one wanted to play them in 2007. Let's just see if they get into a BCS game and everyone will find out on New Year's if they deserved it or not. Hell, Notre Dame had all of their chances. Why not give it to someone else, lol? |
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Post by wola on Dec 2, 2007 16:05:18 GMT -6
I'm impressed Ted with your Hawaiian. Go Hawaii!!!!!
I was at Aloha stadium last night. It was electrifying to say the least. No matter what anyone says these kids were unbelieavable this season and they deserve some credit for going undefeated. June Jones can run for govenor of our state and I think he will win.
If you knew his recruiting budget - you would laugh. If you saw their facilities in comparison to most Divison 1 schools - you would laugh. If you saw the coaches offices and meeting rooms - you would laugh. If you saw the UH lockerrooms and training room - you would laugh. If you saw how these kids and coaching staff continue to fight the odds of being nationally recognized - you would simply be amazed. Here in Hawaii - we are grateful for the awesome experience of being considered for a BCS game. Whether people think Hawaii deserves the BCS bid or not - the state of Hawaii is proud of it's Sons.
Mele Kalikimaka Haole Makahiki Ho
(Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year)
Hawaii No Ka Oe' (Hawaii Is The Best)
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 2, 2007 16:19:48 GMT -6
I know they have no control over who they play in conf. but they do pick who they play out of conf. I know some teams wont play them at Hawaii, but I am sure they could find a tougher schedule then this. Northern Colorado(1-11) W 63-6 @ La Tech(5-7) W 45-44 ot @unlv(2-10) W 49-14 Charleston Southern(5-6)W 66-10 @idaho(1-11)W 48-20 Utah State(2-10)W 52-37 @ San Jose State(5-7)w 42-35ot New Mexico state(4-9)w 50-13 Fresno State(8-4)W 37-30 @ Neveda(6-6)W 28-26 Boise State(10-2)W 39-27 Washington(4-8)W 35-28 That is only 5 away games, 2 teams with winning records(3 if you count 6-6 Nevada), 2 D2 teams with losing records and close games with the teams with winning records. They do deserve a big bowl game just not a BCS IMO. I know you said strength of schedule aside, but that is a big part of the standings. I think you'd be surprised at how many teams won't play a Hawaii or Boise State. Michigan, Michigan State, etc. Hawaii played two D1AA schools, not D2. Sure its a weak schedule, but no one is arguing a National Championship game, only a BCS game, which they'll get assuming they stay in the top 12. As for home/away, Michigan had 8 home games and 4 away games this year! As for beating teams with winning records, the mighty USC only beat 2 teams with winning records! |
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Post by vassdiddy on Dec 2, 2007 16:22:21 GMT -6
Also, didn't Michigan State pay $250,000 to get out of their game with Hawai'i?
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Post by FlexboneOne on Dec 2, 2007 17:00:26 GMT -6
I do not think they deserve a BCS game. I know they have no control over who they play in conf. but they do pick who they play out of conf. I know some teams wont play them at Hawaii, but I am sure they could find a tougher schedule then this. Northern Colorado(1-11) W 63-6 @ La Tech(5-7) W 45-44 ot @unlv(2-10) W 49-14 Charleston Southern(5-6)W 66-10 @idaho(1-11)W 48-20 Utah State(2-10)W 52-37 @ San Jose State(5-7)w 42-35ot New Mexico state(4-9)w 50-13 Fresno State(8-4)W 37-30 @ Neveda(6-6)W 28-26 Boise State(10-2)W 39-27 Washington(4-8)W 35-28 That is only 5 away games, 2 teams with winning records(3 if you count 6-6 Nevada), 2 D2 teams with losing records and close games with the teams with winning records. They do deserve a big bowl game just not a BCS IMO. I know you said strength of schedule aside, but that is a big part of the standings. Just want to know if you're a fan of a BCS team. Because only someone who is a fan or associated with a BCS team would say something like that. Especially when Michigan turned Hawaii (and ESPN) down to play Appalachain State, Michigan State paid them $250K so that they wouldn't have to play Hawaii, USC and Mississppi State wouldn't host Hawaii so that they can play Idaho and Gardner-Webb, respectively. It's too bad no one wanted to play them in 2007. Let's just see if they get into a BCS game and everyone will find out on New Year's if they deserved it or not. Hell, Notre Dame had all of their chances. Why not give it to someone else, lol? Post of the year. I for one am damn tired of hearing the "who did they play" arguement. They TRIED to play the big boys, but the big boys didnt want any part of them. BCS. End of story. Nat'l Championship if you ask me. For the record, I am a PSU fan...so dont give me any homer grief! |
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Post by poweriguy on Dec 2, 2007 21:41:32 GMT -6
Also, didn't Michigan State pay $250,000 to get out of their game with Hawai'i? I believe that was right after Colt Brennan announced he was coming back for his senior year. |
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 2, 2007 22:06:53 GMT -6
i dont know if this is true but i was told brennan went to Hawaii after he was released from jail for like rape or something... just somehting i heard someone say tday at a store but have never heard anything about it... any insight?
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 2, 2007 22:13:59 GMT -6
i dont know if this is true but i was told brennan went to Hawaii after he was released from jail for like rape or something... just somehting i heard someone say tday at a store but have never heard anything about it... any insight? Thats how rumors get started... Here is the story.....He was recruited by COlorado and he went there his freshman year. He got drunk one night and went into a girls dorm room uninvited and wouldn't leave. This was around the same time when previos Colorado players were charged with rape so they immediately kicked him off the team. He was convicted of tresspassing and 2nd degree burglery, but was aquitted of sexual assualt and indecent exposure. He then went to a junior college, led them to a divison title. Was asked by June Jones to be a walk-on who told him he'd be the first QB taken in the NFL draft. Well Brennan walked on and look at him now. Best QB in the nation. One of the best college QB's of all-time. |
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 2, 2007 22:43:07 GMT -6
oh ok thanks for clarifying.
I dont think he is the best QB in the nation, he could easily be the next andre ware.Are the number brennan or the system?
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 2, 2007 23:17:53 GMT -6
If it's the system then why wouldnt every team in the country do the samething? Like Brennan has said...QB's like Matt Ryan, Todd Reesing, Chase Danial, and Matt Flynn Throw for 300 yards and they are said to have had a great game. 300 yards is low for him. He dos it every single game. He was 42-50 on saturday for 492 yards 5 TD's and no INTs that is damn impressive. They'll say Washington is horrible, well no one else racked up yardage like that on them.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 3, 2007 0:04:55 GMT -6
spos21---yes, his stats are impressive, however how many of those "passing yards" are really long handoffs (bubbles, slips, tunnels etc. ) Hawaii only attempted 23 running plays, so you have to attribute some of the stats to the fact that Hawaii relies on the screen game as its run game. The "system" inflates those statistics. Andre Ware put up equally gaudy numbers.
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Post by poweriguy on Dec 3, 2007 0:46:52 GMT -6
spos21---yes, his stats are impressive, however how many of those "passing yards" are really long handoffs (bubbles, slips, tunnels etc. ) Hawaii only attempted 23 running plays, so you have to attribute some of the stats to the fact that Hawaii relies on the screen game as its run game. The "system" inflates those statistics. Andre Ware put up equally gaudy numbers. That's like asking how many yards did Joe Montana get on 5 yard slants that Jerry Rice broke for 50 or 60 yards? Or how many swing passes (long hand-offs) did Montana throw to Wendell Tyler or Roger Craig? Those were part of a West Coast "system" . Should we discount all those yards or claim Joe Montana was just a system qb who put up gaudy numbers? |
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Post by hemlock on Dec 3, 2007 7:05:28 GMT -6
Jerks like Mel Kiper make way too much of this system thing. BTW - Bill Tobin was right about Kiper. He knows NOTHING about football - the ultimate confidence man.
All QB's are system QB's. Tom Brady is a system QB who spends most of his time in the Gun. Many of his throws are slips, smoke routes, quick slants, etc. People talk about "making NFL" reads. What does this mean, I ask? Kiper and the like certainly do not know. The Run-N-Shoot employs many of the same reads as any other offense. To some degree its even more complicated because the QB must be in sync with his receivers. Like any offense, the QB must be able to manipulate the system, something that Brennan does very well.
People should stop jerking him around because he plays in the Run-N-Shoot. When people like Kiper ridicule R&S QB's what they are in fact saying is that most NFL offenses are not as well conceived from a philosophical point of view.
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 3, 2007 9:07:38 GMT -6
spos21---yes, his stats are impressive, however how many of those "passing yards" are really long handoffs (bubbles, slips, tunnels etc. ) Hawaii only attempted 23 running plays, so you have to attribute some of the stats to the fact that Hawaii relies on the screen game as its run game. The "system" inflates those statistics. Andre Ware put up equally gaudy numbers. Hawaii isn't the only team that throws screens. Everyone does it these days. |
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 3, 2007 9:10:05 GMT -6
Jerks like Mel Kiper make way too much of this system thing. BTW - Bill Tobin was right about Kiper. He knows NOTHING about football - the ultimate confidence man. All QB's are system QB's. Tom Brady is a system QB who spends most of his time in the Gun. Many of his throws are slips, smoke routes, quick slants, etc. People talk about "making NFL" reads. What does this mean, I ask? Kiper and the like certainly do not know. The Run-N-Shoot employs many of the same reads as any other offense. To some degree its even more complicated because the QB must be in sync with his receivers. Like any offense, the QB must be able to manipulate the system, something that Brennan does very well. People should stop jerking him around because he plays in the Run-N-Shoot. When people like Kiper ridicule R&S QB's what they are in fact saying is that most NFL offenses are not as well conceived from a philosophical point of view. Mel Kiper has Colt Brennan as the 8th ranked senior QB. The 8th QB taken last year was Jeff Rowe, Nevada QB, in the 5th round by the Bengals. 11 QBs were drafted overall. |
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Post by casec11 on Dec 3, 2007 9:48:29 GMT -6
If Hawaii wins in the sugar bowl, should they get a share of the national championship? Like USC did a few years ago? ( i know the wont but is there an argument for it?)
How is a team like Hawaii, able to do so well with no recruiting budget? It can't just be the offensive system.... June Jones is a heck of a coach.... hopefully with the trip to the sugarbowl they get some more money into thier program.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 3, 2007 10:32:03 GMT -6
Mel Kiper says 8th QB overall, others have said 1st round. I guess we'll have to see. If Hawaii wins the Sugar Bowl they might get some #1 votes but I don't think they will get to share the title (eventhough they should). Boise State went 13-0 last year and had some #1 votes.
About the system qb thing. Tom Brady throws 5 yard passes all day long unless he throws a jump ball to Moss but somehow Brady is called the best QB of all time. If you have seen Brennan play and the velocity he has on his throws you would know he is a great qb
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Post by ccscoach on Dec 3, 2007 10:39:36 GMT -6
Anybody catch June Jones comments on the ESPN bowl special last. The ones about Tim Tebow, found that very interesting.
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