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Post by nltdiego on Dec 30, 2016 22:20:26 GMT -6
We are thinking of going early am (630am) this summer. We can't use the word mandatory but we are over listening to excuses (math clas, sat class, etc).
What time does your summer practice start and end?
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Post by bigmoot on Dec 30, 2016 22:26:12 GMT -6
900-1130. M-Th
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Post by fantom on Dec 30, 2016 23:33:07 GMT -6
6-8:30 PM.
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Post by carookie on Dec 30, 2016 23:59:29 GMT -6
Are you talking about like summer camp practices (what used to be 2-a-days) or practices you have throughout the summer? When I was in HS we did 2-a-days at 6 am, but we were in the desert and heat regulations forced our hands. If you are referring to summer long practices then I've done 8 am and 9 am starts; I think 6:30 is ridiculous.
I get it, we want kids to sacrifice, work hard, and dedicate to the team; but asking them to consistently show up that early is too much. Let them at least sleep in during the summer for a few weeks.
I realize my post is assuming summer practice for you means 4-5 days a week for 4-6 weeks.
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Post by hsrose on Dec 31, 2016 0:12:51 GMT -6
M-Th, 5-7PM, after graduation in June through the start of August practice. Each session is cardio, weights, and football, mostly passing and basic skill development. I ask the players to make an average of 2 per week. We have a geography issue here so I can't demand they be here all the time. We also have heat issues and 90% of the coaches don't work for the school so mornings are out.
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Post by realdawg on Dec 31, 2016 7:51:02 GMT -6
830-11 Mon through Thursday. Plus on average one 7 on 7 per week in the evenings.
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Post by nltdiego on Dec 31, 2016 8:34:19 GMT -6
Are you talking about like summer camp practices (what used to be 2-a-days) or practices you have throughout the summer? When I was in HS we did 2-a-days at 6 am, but we were in the desert and heat regulations forced our hands. If you are referring to summer long practices then I've done 8 am and 9 am starts; I think 6:30 is ridiculous. I get it, we want kids to sacrifice, work hard, and dedicate to the team; but asking them to consistently show up that early is too much. Let them at least sleep in during the summer for a few weeks. I realize my post is assuming summer practice for you means 4-5 days a week for 4-6 weeks. I'm talking the summer camp where we lift, run and do agility. The reason we like the early start (630?) id because it allows kids to work, SAT class, etc.
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Post by blb on Dec 31, 2016 9:04:48 GMT -6
My preference was to do Workouts at 9 AM M-W-F.
Some years we went 6-8 PM like fantom because coaches worked or were taking classes during the day.
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Post by lochness on Dec 31, 2016 9:15:31 GMT -6
Are you talking about like summer camp practices (what used to be 2-a-days) or practices you have throughout the summer? When I was in HS we did 2-a-days at 6 am, but we were in the desert and heat regulations forced our hands. If you are referring to summer long practices then I've done 8 am and 9 am starts; I think 6:30 is ridiculous. I get it, we want kids to sacrifice, work hard, and dedicate to the team; but asking them to consistently show up that early is too much. Let them at least sleep in during the summer for a few weeks. I realize my post is assuming summer practice for you means 4-5 days a week for 4-6 weeks. I'm talking the summer camp where we lift, run and do agility. The reason we like the early start (630?) id because it allows kids to work, SAT class, etc. I think formulating an answer largely depends on the duration and frequency of this "camp."
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Dec 31, 2016 9:21:43 GMT -6
So many variables to your particular school district. If you share a lot of athletes, attempting to formulate a plan that allows players to accomplish all of their necessary tasks at school at 1 time would be important. For example, if you have a lot of Basketball players, having lifting, agility, open gym, etc. all at (1) block of time would be important and appreciated by players /parents. For example, 7:00-9:00am would accomplish your lifting, agility and open gym. That way families are not making multiple trips to the building each day if possible (I understand this isn't always possible).
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 31, 2016 11:42:22 GMT -6
We go 3:30 to 6:30 on Monday through Wednesday, then go 7 to 9:30am on Thursday. We feel like going early Thursday allows us to give the kids basically 4 full days off each week of summer.
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Post by adawg2302 on Dec 31, 2016 15:13:12 GMT -6
We went 6am - 8am a few years ago. 90% of players live within a 10-15 min walk of our school. Loved it, because it allowed the summer school / work players to attend (eliminated that excuse). Now we go later in the morning due to daycare issues for coaches, which opens up the summer school / work players missing here and there.
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Post by bluboy on Dec 31, 2016 17:45:47 GMT -6
Summer workouts are from7:30 AM-10 AM three days a week (M-W-Th). Team warms up together, then linemen lift while perimeter guys do skill work; then they flip. Entire team does some kind of conditioning at end of workout.
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 31, 2016 18:23:50 GMT -6
Mornings for sure. Then we don't battle the million baseball, basketball and Lacrosse games they play at night.
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Post by fantom on Dec 31, 2016 19:21:14 GMT -6
Mornings for sure. Then we don't battle the million baseball, basketball and Lacrosse games they play at night. As others have said, though, it depends on your specific situation. We go in evenings because: 1. A lot of our guys go to summer school. 2. Most of our coaches are non-teachers. 3. Relatively few of our guys have issues with summer leagues in other sports. 4. None of our coaches are interested in 6 AM except one. He is a teacher who makes extra cash as a personal trainer. Most of his work is in early mornings.
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 31, 2016 19:27:28 GMT -6
Good points. I may have to adjust since I've taken the head job at a much smaller school with quite different demographics. Football is much more important in this new school so maybe I'll win more of the "priority" battles.
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Post by 53 on Dec 31, 2016 21:48:18 GMT -6
I always hated evening workouts as a player and still do as a coach. It feels like it ties up your whole day to me.
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Post by bjohnson on Dec 31, 2016 22:23:06 GMT -6
7:00-8:30am Monday - Thursday We lift, do some agility work... QB/WR's stay after to throw the ball around couple days a week for 15-30 minutes.
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Post by nltdiego on Dec 31, 2016 23:41:44 GMT -6
7:00-8:30am Monday - Thursday We lift, do some agility work... QB/WR's stay after to throw the ball around couple days a week for 15-30 minutes. When do you teach and work on football?
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Post by agap on Jan 1, 2017 0:14:20 GMT -6
7:00-8:30am Monday - Thursday We lift, do some agility work... QB/WR's stay after to throw the ball around couple days a week for 15-30 minutes. When do you teach and work on football? Aren't we talking about summer? He's probably not teaching then. Last year we had practices on Sunday nights. There usually wasn't much going on so the players didn't have many excuses not to show up. We typically had over half of our team show up on those nights.
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Post by nltdiego on Jan 1, 2017 0:19:49 GMT -6
When do you teach and work on football? Aren't we talking about summer? He's probably not teaching then. Last year we had practices on Sunday nights. There usually wasn't much going on so the players didn't have many excuses not to show up. We typically had over half of our team show up on those nights. Teach = Run plays, pass plays, coverage, stunts, etc.
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Post by bjohnson on Jan 1, 2017 0:27:45 GMT -6
7:00-8:30am Monday - Thursday We lift, do some agility work... QB/WR's stay after to throw the ball around couple days a week for 15-30 minutes. When do you teach and work on football? During the summer we focus on lifting and agility drills (6 weeks). We have one 4 day camp (2hrs a day) that is basically a repeat of our 4 days of spring ball that occurred prior to school ending. We get together with a couple of local teams and do 7 on 7 about 3 days over the summer (2hrs per day).
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Post by bluboy on Jan 1, 2017 7:05:43 GMT -6
Mornings for sure. Then we don't battle the million baseball, basketball and Lacrosse games they play at night. Totally agree!!! In addition to orthodontist, personal trainer, S.A.T. prep class, tutor, and picking up Grandma at the airport. We try to tailor things so that our kids can get done what needs to be done and still be kids. Sometimes we have to remind our young coaches that our kids are 16-18 years old and are not on scholarship or receiving obscene sums of money to play football.
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Post by nltdiego on Jan 1, 2017 8:42:13 GMT -6
Mornings for sure. Then we don't battle the million baseball, basketball and Lacrosse games they play at night. Totally agree!!! In addition to orthodontist, personal trainer, S.A.T. prep class, tutor, and picking up Grandma at the airport. We try to tailor things so that our kids can get done what needs to be done and still be kids. Sometimes we have to remind our young coaches that our kids are 16-18 years old and are not on scholarship or receiving obscene sums of money to play football. I think time of morning is preference….. IMO I dont think its unreasonable to get there by 7am.
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Post by blb on Jan 1, 2017 8:44:43 GMT -6
7:00-8:30am Monday - Thursday We lift, do some agility work... QB/WR's stay after to throw the ball around couple days a week for 15-30 minutes. When do you teach and work on football?
In our state coaches can do maximum ten days of camp and seven days of competition. One coach can work with maximum four players at one time as often as wanted.
We did a three-day camp last week of July (closest to start of practice we legally could). For several years we also went to an out-of-town camp run by a friend. When he retired we replaced that by doing some 7-on-7s with another local school.
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Post by mholst40 on Jan 1, 2017 11:58:32 GMT -6
Because we have coaches who work regular jobs and we also have summer school, we go 2-6 during the summer.
2-3 lifting 3-4 meeting/install 4-6 Practice on field
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Post by bjohnson on Jan 1, 2017 12:17:03 GMT -6
Because we have coaches who work regular jobs and we also have summer school, we go 2-6 during the summer. 2-3 lifting 3-4 meeting/install 4-6 Practice on field 4 hours a day.... How many days?
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Post by mholst40 on Jan 1, 2017 12:54:29 GMT -6
Used to be 4 days per week for 3 weeks, but now we do it 4 days per week for 2 weeks and 2 more days in the third week.
Our players have never really complained about the length of those practices. But, they have always preferred to go in the morning.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 1, 2017 13:52:06 GMT -6
Our gym usage and weightroom usage time is structured this way over the summer:
8:00-9:00: boys basketball workouts in gym; girls sports in the weightroom 9:00-10:00: girls basketball workouts in gym; boys sports in weightroom 10:00-11:00: girls done, boys football workouts on practice field
Does make for a long morning for the ones who play basketball and football, but never had any complaints about it. This is Monday-Thursday for the whole months of June and July, however, and our HC has talked about lightening the load for football players.
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Post by carookie on Jan 1, 2017 14:40:35 GMT -6
In regards to losing the battle to other sports: can't we still win with the argument, "football is the next season (fall comes before winter or spring) so you focus on the upcoming sport."
Heck I played Summer baseball and hoops when I was in HS too, but if ever a conflict arose football won out (next sport on the calendar). Of course this was in the 1990s; and back then coaches weren't smart enough to realize that players needed to be involved in football 20+ hours a week, for over two months in the summer.
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