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Post by coachkeppy on Jan 20, 2008 23:11:43 GMT -6
It's a shame that we don't agree that the refs were horrible on both sides. Oh well, have a good night Coach. No, I agree. But only on one side did it make a major difference which literally put points on the board for another team. And in a close game, that did make the difference.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 20, 2008 23:11:49 GMT -6
also making something else ... of himself
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Post by gregspahn on Jan 20, 2008 23:12:10 GMT -6
You asked earlier if we would yell at our kids for the Collins hit or the Woodson penalty. Would you tolerate your kids speaking like this and blaming a loss on the officials?
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Post by coachkeppy on Jan 20, 2008 23:14:13 GMT -6
You asked earlier if we would yell at our kids for the Collins hit or the Woodson penalty. Would you tolerate your kids speaking like this and blaming a loss on the officials? If the officials made that much of a difference, and there were millions of dollars on the line. And the officials calls were that obviously bias, yes, I would tolerate it.
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Post by ticobrown on Jan 20, 2008 23:14:20 GMT -6
You asked earlier if we would yell at our kids for the Collins hit or the Woodson penalty. Would you tolerate your kids speaking like this and blaming a loss on the officials? Good point, Coach.
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Post by coachkeppy on Jan 20, 2008 23:15:16 GMT -6
You asked earlier if we would yell at our kids for the Collins hit or the Woodson penalty. Would you tolerate your kids speaking like this and blaming a loss on the officials? If the officials made that much of a difference, and there were millions of dollars on the line. And the officials calls were that obviously bias, yes, I would tolerate it. well not "tolerate" it, but i would be the first one yelling, and would have their backs. because they did not deserve to lose a game like this.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 20, 2008 23:15:19 GMT -6
kep ... didn't ohio state get jobbed, too?
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Post by CVBears on Jan 20, 2008 23:15:48 GMT -6
While I agree that there were some horrible calls tonight, it really doesn't matter. GREAT TEAMS OVERCOME BAD CALLS/OFFICIATING. Period. Packers had chances (plural) to put the game away/go down and score during the fourth quarter and in OT. The Pack couldn't get it done today. Great teams capitalize when it counts. Packers didn't.
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Post by gregspahn on Jan 20, 2008 23:19:11 GMT -6
Would you ever be in a position like that, coaching the game at a level where millions of dollars are on the line? Answer the question in relative terms. I would never blame a loss on the officials, no matter if I were coaching Pop Warner or the Canadian Football League or the NFL, nor would I accept my players doing the same. There are way too many other factors in the game. Had Ruvell Martin caught a beautiful pass from Favre, the Packers would have scored more points.
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Post by coachkeppy on Jan 20, 2008 23:22:58 GMT -6
I m not going to bite on that huey. i ll keep my opinions to myself on that game.
this game was a travesty. why should "great teams have to overcome bad officiating?" why shouldn't the better team just win because their the better team? they had to play the game differently because of these calls. that's a horrible excuse.
for the record, i am going to bed now. the Pack did get jobbed. and, I obviously am calling conspiracy theory and will go ice fishing or something on feb 3rd. because that game is clearly about the $ and not integrity.
you guys can take all the shots on me you want, and i will mail out the game to you guys and will point out the bad calls if you would like. i ll put it on dvd for you.
there is clearly a media bias, if you guys don't see it, well, you're just suckers. just regular nfl watching suckers. the pat's aren't an alltime great team, and the giants sure as hell should not be playing in this game.
good night.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 20, 2008 23:25:04 GMT -6
kep, that's the 2nd time tonight you've called me a sucker.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 20, 2008 23:27:49 GMT -6
while i may be clueless, i try to maintain some degree of level-headedness and not throw away my credibility because i'm ticked off a team i cheer for lost a game.
really, what do you have invested in this team (what do any of us, for that matter, have invested in nfl or d1 college teams?) .... yet we fly off the handle at the faintest sign of "our" team being slighted.
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Post by CVBears on Jan 20, 2008 23:29:44 GMT -6
... why should "great teams have to overcome bad officiating?" I never said they have to, I said that they DO.
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Post by ticobrown on Jan 20, 2008 23:31:25 GMT -6
All I got to say is "WOW!!!"
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Post by blackfly73 on Jan 20, 2008 23:31:34 GMT -6
While I agree that there were some horrible calls tonight, it really doesn't matter. GREAT TEAMS OVERCOME BAD CALLS/OFFICIATING. Period. Packers had chances (plural) to put the game away/go down and score during the fourth quarter and in OT. The Pack couldn't get it done today. Great teams capitalize when it counts. Packers didn't. Ditto - I'm a huge Packers fan as well. I thought there were some bad calls that went against the Packers - for example the Collins hit was a questionable call - Manning's arm was still in motion on the throw BUT they always err on the side of the QB. I also thought there were more than a few push-off's going on as well by the Giant's wr's. But big deal ... perhaps if Al Harris had have put more energy into covering Burress than running his mouth in between plays, he actually might have broken up more than a pass or two. The Giants played a GREAT game - the time of possession, and number of plays stats say it all. It was somewhere in the neighbourhood of 81-49 for the Giants - that is HUGE. Packers D couldn't really come up with a stop tonite, McCarthy really relied on too many screens when it was apparent it wasn't working. Instead of whining about the refs (keep in mind, I wasn't pleased either) - we could have an intelligent thread about how officials are reviewed and evaluated. I've always had a problem with them essentially evaluating themselves. BUT this takes nothing away from the Giants
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Post by ticobrown on Jan 20, 2008 23:32:12 GMT -6
BTW, Steve Marriucci on Gameday on NFL Network just said that Donald Driver "threw off Corey Webster."
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Post by gregspahn on Jan 20, 2008 23:37:16 GMT -6
What about Bush not falling on the fumbled punt? That hurt more than the Woodson call on 4th down
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Post by gregspahn on Jan 20, 2008 23:44:28 GMT -6
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Post by coach79 on Jan 20, 2008 23:55:49 GMT -6
It matters that they beat the Packers. Seriously? they didn't beat the Pack, the Pack beat the Pack. The Pack had too many chances to put the game away but they relied on the pass too much, they should have ran the ball more and chewed up more clock, while working their PA passes. just 7 days ago Ryan Grant rushed for 201 yards. what happened to X-T-G-C-G-T-Y --------Q -----F-------F --------H I only saw this a few times why didn't they run more out of it? Next year... -CB
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 21, 2008 0:17:05 GMT -6
How many calls really made a difference in this NFC Championship game? Honestly the better team didn't win and there were clearly bad calls going against the home team. This obviously l eads to some major questions. How corrupt is NFL officiating? Why would they make it so obvious that they were bias against one team? And the home team at that? I truely believe that officials really shouldnt make that big of a difference in a game, but these guys insisted on doing that. This game was comparable to that Pats/Ravens game. They didn't care that it was obviously showing their bias by throwing that flag on 4th down. This game was a joke, and this league and it's officiating has turned into the NBA. Im sick of it, and I will not watch the super Bowl. what a crappy game. I m sure Goodell has the outcome figured out already anyways. the game wasnt some huge conspiracy theory, Giants were the better team. the packers should consider themselves very lucky that Lawrence Tyens let them stay in the game as long as he did. I am not a giants fan so my opinion is totally unbiased
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Post by wingman on Jan 21, 2008 0:38:13 GMT -6
Packer fan here too, but the Giants outplayed them and deserved to win.
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Post by wingman on Jan 21, 2008 0:42:06 GMT -6
This also reminds me of my observation about the parents at every Pop Warner game in the history of football. # 1 - The refs are screwing us # 2 - The other team is playing dirty.
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Post by Yash on Jan 21, 2008 0:43:34 GMT -6
I am a diehard packer fan, I live 10 min from the stadium and the refs didn't cost the pack that game. Collins took 3 steps. He knows the rules, I've seen roughing the passer called on favre for less contact so I'm not going to complain about that. What lost the packers that game was small mistakes and bad playcalling. 6 rushes in the second half? A screen to the field side on 3 and 5 aroudn the goal line? What was that call. Go gun, dump it off to a back but not a screen to a side with no WR on it, terrible call. The PI on 4th down was PI he hit him in the head with his left arm before he caught the ball. The packers got out played. On that muffed punt #24 Jarret Bush tries to scoop it up instead of falling on it. I truly believe that if he falls on that ball at the 50, the packers can get 20 yards and kick a FG to win. It wasn't the refs that lost that game thats for sure. I saw no call that hadn't been called before in the NFL.
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Post by raiderpirates on Jan 21, 2008 1:01:46 GMT -6
Giants had an amazing season for Coughlin, who was under heat by former players. He made the Super Bowl Giants into a super bowling preseason, to develop team unity. It was quite a way of building confidence. Human skills are just as, if not more important, than being a good X's and O's coach.
This Super Bowl has two Parcells men in the game at Head Coach.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 21, 2008 7:03:53 GMT -6
I think this is clearly an example where the "coach" in question (keppy) proves that SOME "coaches" are complete morons, and that SOME "coaches" are destined for mediocrity (although I am sure he will post some made up stats about how successful a coach he is...and to that we can all laugh).
Keppy, you are definitely a coach who deserves the parents you get. Actually, you are a coach who deserves the parents you get, along with the parents many of us get. The parents who "know the game" as well as you do...and who know that your personnel decisions are "obviously biased" and your play calls are stupid, because "everyone" knows that since your call didn't work, that calling something else would have....
Once i hear/read someone claim that officiating at the NFL level is biased based on the LEAGUE'S DECISION....I know that we have a person who is in need of therapy/intervention or a lobotomy.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 21, 2008 7:07:36 GMT -6
The late hit on Eli was BS. BUT, the refs interrupted the rules 100% correct.
The rule is the problem. If Collins lets up like he should have...and Eli pumps instead of throws, suddenly you have a situation where a rule stopped a defender from making a tackle.
But, the Pack lost because they couldn't run the ball. Pretty simple.
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Post by coachkeppy on Jan 21, 2008 7:18:03 GMT -6
Guys, I appologize for calling you guys suckers. I appologize for my behavior on the board last night. I was drunk and venting.
I still don't agree with the calls, but you guys are right, there were many other instances in the game that the Packers could have executed better that would have won them the game.
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Post by packattack on Jan 21, 2008 8:37:06 GMT -6
Been a Packer fan for 32 years and man does it hurt, but we got our butts outplayed by the Giants! Best of luck to the Giants in the Super Bowl.
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Post by gregspahn on Jan 21, 2008 9:14:02 GMT -6
Kep, No Worries! I've done a lot stupider things than complain about officials when drunk!
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 21, 2008 11:28:33 GMT -6
There were definitely some calls that went both ways. I don't know the rules exactly but before the half Burress made a diving catch on the sideline that they ruled incomplete and there were others. The PI on 4th down was pretty obvious since his left hand jerked the guy around.
In any event, it was a wild game and a really wild 4th quarter. Favre threw some lasers but other times didn't seem so sharp, and late in the game he kept seeming like he just wanted to go deep into coverage. McQuarters needed to learn to hang onto the ball. He made two nice plays (interception and punt return) and managed to fumble on both. The pack getting the first fumble was huge and not getting the second one was worse. All those missed field goals. And the OT interception was just hard to believe it happened. And I don't know a person in the stadium, at home or anywhere who really thought that the guy could kick a 47 yarder in that situation after the misses. Wild game; I thought it was a good one.
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