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Post by coachorr on Oct 8, 2007 18:14:40 GMT -6
Just read something about Teton High School in Idaho. Three two way starters at a small school missed last Friday night's game to go on vactation with their parents. This was a key conference game and the team went on to lose 61-0. I just thought this was an interesting spin.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 8, 2007 22:23:24 GMT -6
Some parents do not get it therefore some kids do not.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 9, 2007 3:45:40 GMT -6
sometimes kids dont have a choice in the matter because family does indeed come first...parent once told me "we have been planning for this trip for weeks" and I said "ive been planning for this season all year. "
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Post by coachorr on Oct 10, 2007 21:30:06 GMT -6
That is a tough one, nevertheless. I am not sure of all of the cicumstances, but I will say that I am shocked at what is happening now-a-days. I am not sure what I would do about the situation.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 11, 2007 8:45:00 GMT -6
Just read something about Teton High School in Idaho. Three two way starters at a small school missed last Friday night's game to go on vactation with their parents. This was a key conference game and the team went on to lose 61-0. I just thought this was an interesting spin. My starting left tackle told me he was missing the last game to go on a weekend vacation with his family. I asked him if was upset and he said, "Umm, I dunno, yeah I guess". If my parents scheduled a trip that would cause me to miss a game...when i was a kid...there would have been hell to pay. I would probably have gotten beaten with a spoon, but I wouldn't go down without a fight.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 11, 2007 10:17:19 GMT -6
LOL, how would some of those parents react if you chose to give their kid a break from the next game and play someone else- a little game day vacation, I'd guess they and the kid would have a different attitude about that.
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Post by coachseven on Oct 11, 2007 10:42:12 GMT -6
I had a kid HAVE to get a haircut and the ONLY time he could get it was during thursdays practice. Said it was the only time his mom could schedule an appointment. He was our Starting Left Tackle. He didn't start or even play the game on Friday. Parents wanted to know what gives?
This same kid is going to be missing our next to last game to go to the National Vo-Ag convention. I am not going to play him the next game when he gets back either. Too bad he is a Sophomore and is good and is a pretty good kid too.
Oh ya his mom held him out of practice on Labor Day (Monday) said it was a holiday. I asked the kid what they did. He said I dunno just watched TV all day.
Gotta love parents. LOL
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 11, 2007 10:49:46 GMT -6
I cannot remember the last time Labor day or Memorial day for that matter was truly a "holiday"
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Post by mtsooner on Oct 11, 2007 12:51:18 GMT -6
That's a situation where I think the coach has to be firm with the rules from the start of the season. Miss a practice that week, you don't start. Miss two, you don't play, miss three, your gone. I think you have to make an example out of kids that miss games for even things like vacations that have been planned for weeks. They obviously knew they would be playing football that season, so did the parents, so this was a blatant disregard for his team and the coaches.
I have a firm belief your priorities should be god, family, education, then football, but if your getting stiffed by parents that obviously don't care enough about the program to change plans while a season is in progress, you either sit the kid or cut them.
S.R.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 11, 2007 14:44:06 GMT -6
Interesting you have family after God and before football yet you'll get rid of them if they place it before football? I guess you need to clarify when family comes before football and when it does not because right now you are not making any sense.
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Post by mtsooner on Oct 12, 2007 8:54:40 GMT -6
Maybe you should reread my post a little more careful if you don't understand.
The point is, if your priorities are in order, everything falls into place easily.
As a parent, scheduling a vacation when you know your boy will be in the midst of football preseason or season, shows a complete disregard for others and disunites a team. I WANT my kids to spend time with their families more than anyone, but once they sign on to play football, they also have an obligation towards their football family as well. Hence, putting your priorities in their proper place and keeping your word is a must. Have you ever saw the tennis balls/rocks/sand/water in the jar illustration? I will show this to my boys before every football season starts.
That is a character issue on the part of the parents and this will tend to trickle down to the young man, which in turn could infiltrate your whole team if left unchecked. We can't be blind about what little things if left alone can explode into big things within a team and destroy unity. What you tolerate you encourage. Woodrow Wilson said it well:
“If you will think about what you ought to do for other people, your character will take care of itself. Character is a by-product, and any man who devotes himself to its cultivation in his own case will become a selfish pig.” — Woodrow Wilson, 28th American president
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 12, 2007 16:16:43 GMT -6
LOL, what am I not understanding?
"I have a firm belief your priorities should be god, family, education, then football, but if your getting stiffed by parents that obviously don't care enough about the program to change plans while a season is in progress, you either sit the kid or cut them."
You clearly list your priorities with football being last- behind family. That clearly is not your belief if you say this
" if your getting stiffed by parents that obviously don't care enough about the program to change plans while a season is in progress, you either sit the kid or cut them."
You mean in season football takes priority over at least some family things and that's fine just spell it out clearly to that small percent of players and parents who'll take the entire god, family, education, then football literally.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Oct 13, 2007 22:07:43 GMT -6
Someone on here said it right a long time ago... don't remember who so I can't give them credit but: You don't know what their family situation is at home.
Drives me nuts, even with our own coaching staff. We had a parent's meeting at the beginning of the year, laying out some rules: 1. Excused misses for practice include death in the family. 2. We will practice labor.
Three players had family members mysteriously die just before the labor day weekend. Coaching staff went nuts, head coach announced that no one else could die and everyone was expected to be there.
You can't control the parents, whether they want to be honest and say they are going on vacation, or lie and say Aunt Matilda died. I've told our kids that family comes before football -- if their family are a bunch of liars who don't consider football important, then that sucks for football, and for the kid. Don't punish the kid.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 13, 2007 22:38:18 GMT -6
I don't believe any excuses for missed practices. NONE. You miss a practice, you don't start. It isn't a "penalty" it is just what it is. You missed a practice, somebody else was there working, they get to start.
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Post by champ93 on Oct 14, 2007 8:31:57 GMT -6
One parent called my d-coordinator's home at 9pm Friday night to discuss why her son doesn't play much. He was unable to take the call because would have been in the 4th quarter of our Homecoming game when she left the message. She was well aware we had a game because she pulled him from practice early on Wed. to get his tux!
She called him because "that *@#$ head coach won't return the 2 messages I left for him tonight!"
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Post by raider7342 on Oct 15, 2007 12:01:58 GMT -6
what about a kid who has nothing financially, gets a job but must attend two days of training during practice (mon, tues). do you bench him, let him play but do some kind of make up, or let him by as a one time thing?
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Post by coachcoyote on Oct 16, 2007 0:26:57 GMT -6
Have him come in during lunch, break time, to see as much film as possible. Give him some copies to take home. Do any players live close enough to go over the film, new plays, etc.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 16, 2007 9:06:14 GMT -6
I am telling you if you have a clear cut and dry policy of MANDITORY MAKE UP CONDITIONING for all missed practices, excused or unexcused, your "excuses" will greatly diminish. suddenly kids who "have to work" find ways to "got out of work"...
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Post by gacoach on Oct 16, 2007 12:32:34 GMT -6
I bet everyone of you to a man could tell us who your "players" are and what members of your team would do anything to avoid practice, starter or not. Within our program the kids that play and work hard never miss, the guys that don't, don't. It always seems to be the same players. Bottom line, that is from their upbringing.
I'm sure when they get jobs, they won't be the best employees.
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