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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2006 7:52:24 GMT -6
It seems when things DON'T get *done or done right (ESPECIALLY in the off-season), the tried-and-true dog-ate-my-homework excuse is;
"Aw....y'see....I'm working such-and-such hours at work"
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"Man, the wife/ kids/ house pet.....just require so much time, I can't do it." [/font] Now I am all for balance and relationships and taking care of the priorities of life, but I have heard these sacred cow excuses played far too many times in my career from members of the staff. How 'legitimate' is the non-commital excuses of members your staff? [glow=green,2,300] "Do or do not... there is no try.” [/glow]  *'done' - organized practices, lesson plans, scouting info, coming to work outs, being prepared, etc.**also, just an aside for me....is it "shovel" or "shuffle" pass? I always thought it was shovel ...[/size]
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Post by wildcat on Nov 10, 2006 8:02:32 GMT -6
We try to share offseason responsibilities. 2 of our coaches go right into basketball as soon as football is over, so I pretty much run the weight room. In the spring, I coach middle school track (not doing it this year though) so the basketball guys usually run the weightroom to cover for me. Summers can be tough, too. Our basketball team has a pretty full plate during the summer, so those of us who only coach football try to cover for those guys until the season starts. 2 of our coaches are farmers, so they don't do much during the offseason. The last few years, it has been pretty much me and the HC who have been the most active in the winter, spring, and summer. How about "schouffle" pass?  |
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Post by knighter on Nov 10, 2006 8:05:59 GMT -6
Basically 1 guy here, 365 days a year, 5 days a week I get excuses from the rest. Kids are great, as long as I am here, they are as well. But assistants?  ? Now that is a funny... |
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Post by PSS on Nov 10, 2006 8:12:15 GMT -6
Great topic Brophy. Excuses eat me up. Coaches are getting paid to do a job. Don't make freaking excuses to get out of your job. I get sick and tired of having to pick of the slack of others. I can understand and emergency situation every now and then but not every week. Get the job done, do it right and efficiently, and then go spend time with your family. Coaching is more than an 8 hours a day job. We have some on our staff that don't realize that and need to move on down the road.
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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2006 8:19:48 GMT -6
Now I'm a little neurotic and spend waay too much time on football, BUT I really don't think the 'coaching' job takes 40 hours a week. Just some organization and planning.
...maybe 10-30 minutes a DAY to plan and get organized of what you're going to do for the next practice, next session -- and maybe spend a minute to communicate that to your staff memebers....that doesn't seem to difficult to me. Yet you'd be surprised at how many guys, for whatever reason, feel that they can just show up and "wing it".
Off-season.....maybe twice a week for 45 minutes....just MAKE time to pop in to the weight room.
One weekend in the off-season Spring, sit down and map out your lesson plans for the first 3 weeks of camp. DONE....and you have ALL THAT OTHER time to goof off and do what you please.
We ALL have the same amount of time in a day. What we do with that time is a reflection of our priorities (or lack thereof).
To me, when a guy doesn't MAKE the time, he's telling me (and the players) that it just ISN'T important to him.
Lack of organization and planning screams disrespect to the players investing their livelihood to the sport.
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Post by PSS on Nov 10, 2006 8:24:00 GMT -6
So true, and the results can usually be seen in the outcome of the season. That is unless they are lucky enough to have athletes that are just that more talented than the competetion and are self motivated.
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Post by tedseay on Nov 10, 2006 8:27:17 GMT -6
How 'legitimate' is the non-commital excuses of members your staff?Depends on what they signed on for, and how clear your expectations were made to them from the get-go. I'm no ogre, and true emergencies are always honored, but commitment means commitment... [/size][/quote] I've seen "shuffle" and even "shuttle", but Pop Warner's 1927 coaching manual calls it the shovel pass...which is good enough for me. |
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 10, 2006 8:41:34 GMT -6
Excellent point. We've got a guy that doesn't even make it back to the coach's office after practice a lot of times. Just goes ahead and gets in the car and leaves. But I guess that's between him and the head coach. (or me and the HC if it really bothers me?)
Finally a definitive answer! Thanks for clearing that up Ted!
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Post by juice10 on Nov 10, 2006 9:10:21 GMT -6
As a young head coach, what do some of you more experienced HC do in terms of handing out responsibility to your coaches? Do all of the coaches break down game film? Or do coaches do it on their own time? Do all you you head coaches write down specific practice plans for all your coaches or do you allow your assitants to plan for their individual times?
Great thread, anxious to read more about this?
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 10, 2006 9:18:44 GMT -6
why cant you just pool the coaching checks into a large pot and MAKE THEM EARN THEIR PAY!!...
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Post by ocinaz on Nov 10, 2006 12:25:23 GMT -6
What if in hte off-season, it's the ASSistants that are at everything, and the HC isn't?
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Post by coach239 on Nov 10, 2006 12:39:27 GMT -6
What if in hte off-season, it's the ASSistants that are at everything, and the HC isn't? That could go either way, If the HC has other things that he does for the team and he assigns responsibility to run off season workouts to his assistans it would be cool, but if the HC has "personal" reasons why he cant be at off season work outs I would think that would create hostility within the staff. Does he not attend ANY workouts? Or is it just that he misses a few? It would depend on the situation. |
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Post by ocinaz on Nov 10, 2006 12:45:47 GMT -6
He misses quite a few....I like the idea of assigning assistants to have such a responsibility, the kids have a hard time understanding why he is not there, it doesn't matter if what we say....We have had to deal with some kids that don't come because of this and that, they bring it up to us, of course, never to him, that HE is not here, so why should I be...Kind of chicken sh*t, if you ask me, good point? Yes...But you should be there to work out for yourself and your team....Just my opinion.....
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 10, 2006 13:41:43 GMT -6
wow, now that would be weird...that doesnt seem right that the assistants would run all the wt room stuff etc...but then again, i know a guy who asked me to run his wt room for him...thought it was strange but some guys just arent that into the wts i guess? me, im a control freak in that area for sure.
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Post by coachbw on Nov 10, 2006 14:21:29 GMT -6
Maybe I have a different perspective on this . . . but in MN my assistants make $3500 and the school district contract for coaching runs from the 1st practice to the state championship. If my assistants (and many of them do) want to be around in the offseason I will certainly delegate responsibilities to them. I just don't feel right about forcing them to be around when the money isn't their for their time.
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Post by tog on Nov 10, 2006 15:04:25 GMT -6
Maybe I have a different perspective on this . . . but in MN my assistants make $3500 and the school district contract for coaching runs from the 1st practice to the state championship. If my assistants (and many of them do) want to be around in the offseason I will certainly delegate responsibilities to them. I just don't feel right about forcing them to be around when the money isn't their for their time. It isn't about the money. It's about their commitment. At least that is how I look at it. I am a hard ass that puts in a ton of hours though. |
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Post by blb on Nov 10, 2006 15:12:25 GMT -6
To some, coaching football is a calling. To others, it's a hobby, or a way to make a few extra bucks.
In our neck of the woods, it's hard to find enough of the former to fill out the staff, so you have to accept some of the latter. And it also depends on how cooperative your administration is filling teaching openings with qualified coaches - for any sport.
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Post by blb on Nov 10, 2006 15:23:08 GMT -6
tog, I know how you feel. I'm with you, bro.
But, the reality is, as the AD (a former football coach himself) who gave me my first head coaching job told me:
"You have to realize that football is not as important to everybody as it is to you."
That unfortunately goes for some players, coaches, administrators, parents, etc.
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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2006 15:35:41 GMT -6
I think it has more to do with principle more than anything else.
District Blue
School A
Coaching Budget $15,000
School B
Coaching Budget $15,000
School A has 12 coaches, but two coaches that make 100% of the off-season stuff and do a majority of the work.
School B has 12 coaches. All 12 are involved in the off season and attend workouts and are involved in practice planning throughout the season.
Which school do you think wins more games?
Which staff would you want to be a part of?
Actually, I started this thread moreso out of the frustration of hearing these excuses so much. It's one thing if you're NOT involved, and another thing when you come up short and use one of these excuses as why you didn't produce (up to expectations).
** hear it from the guy I work with now....about why we can't be organized or have a plan.
Assistant A: "So what is the plan today? What are we gonna work on?"
Head Coach B: "ah...well....I have been working __ hours.....had to take the kid to the beach...trying to spend time being a father."
Assistant A: So we don't have a plan, do we?
Head Coach B: ....uh...er...NO...
-- now if I was asking to build an airport, the above excuse may be acceptable....but I think all I was asking was ....could we have spent the 5 minutes it would've taken to PLAN AHEAD? lol
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Post by dq on Nov 11, 2006 0:04:11 GMT -6
Point blank be a Man
- if you commited to coach under your head that means you decided to submit to his vision
his plan his schedule his Program. You can either follow like a true soldier
let your yes be your yes or be a flake and a 1/2 stepper and if thats the case i don't want
any of my Players to see you and your behavior unless its on film and i'm showin'em how not
to be a man. Point Blank Period
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 11, 2006 16:29:36 GMT -6
Nothing new to add. I'm the HC and the only one in the building (Dean of Students). Head JV coach does basketball and I coach the Throwers in track. Most of the kids have weight training in PE (we are a BFS school) and the basektball team (about 1/2 football players) does a month long league in June. If I ever get a varsity coach as a full time teacher I think I'd died and gone to heaven! HAving said that, we still lift and run in the summer and do 7 on 7. If the kids don't think YOU think it's important then ... it won't be to them.
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Post by ocinaz on Nov 12, 2006 21:51:19 GMT -6
Great points. I agree...With the lifting program, he assigns one coach for that, I stop by, I don't work at the school, and work with QB's and WR's, on routes and plays. HC comes by once in awhile, he takes a vacation during the summer, but fbdoc, you make a great point about the kids not thinking it's important if the HC doesn't. I have tried to explain that to him from the kids point of view, then I have tried to explain to our kids that they should work their ass off regardless if the HC is here all the time.
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? Now that is a funny...
