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Post by Yash on Nov 4, 2016 7:58:19 GMT -6
Coaches,
Do any of you get uneasy about coaching due to all of the concussion information out there? The last few seasons I have found myself pondering how safe the sport is. We restrict contact, and do everything we can to keep kids safe. We had hardly any concussions until the last 2 weeks of the season somehow we had 6-7 and we were doing less contact than we had all year! I have had 2 of those athletes tell me that they weren't going to play next year due to concussions and they were pretty valuable kids who started games. I love the game and the character it builds, the opportunity to teach but the concussion scare gets to me and makes me question staying in the game.
Anyone else have thoughts on this?
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Post by coachluey on Nov 4, 2016 8:05:26 GMT -6
I believe that the concussion epidemic spreads like this: One Concussion will break 2 others. Not that I dont think that there are not cases that are definitely concussions but when one kid gets one, inevitably another will show up with one. I played in a time when concussions were just becoming a real deal, when you didnt go to the trainer for every little headache or bump on the head. Now a kid gets his bell rung he is done for 2 weeks. I do believe in the protection of the kids, but when someone has a concussion and is running around that being normal two days later I cant help but wonder if we have gone too far on it.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 4, 2016 8:32:29 GMT -6
I guess I have a unique perspective on this as I missed out on the second half of my senior season because of concussions. And this was twenty years ago, before all of the new research came to light. I feel like I picked up those concussions because I wasn't taught to block or to tackle properly. We were taught to put our face mask through people's numbers when tackling and blocking which obviously means that I was leading with my head. We also have crap equipment (constantly having to pump up the air-bladder of a helmet) and that didn't help either. I had probably picked up double-digit concussions through out those playing years but was only diagnosed with three. I would have been much better off had the trainers and coaches been educated on the subject and recognized that I was getting knocked goofy.. I have dealt with some issues from those concussions (migraines being one) and it has been difficult. However, I wouldn't go back and do anything differently: I'm a better person for playing the game and by continuing to be involved with it.
My major frustration with this issue is that it's coming out of the NFL. There's a world of difference between two massive grown men colliding and high school kids doing the same. And, although we know that concussions can be a detrimental part of the game, we have safer equipment, we have concussion testing, we're teaching safe techniques and coaches are more aware of it. Gone are the good ol' "you just got your bell-rung boy, get back in there!!" days.
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Post by jrk5150 on Nov 4, 2016 8:59:59 GMT -6
12 years as a youth coach. First 10 years, kids 7-10, 2 concussions that were football related. And those were big hits, legit concussions, no question.
Last two years with 11-12 year old kids - the speed they play at is greater, as are the collisions. There are some big boy hits going on. And we've had two concussions in each of those years. And I also believe they were legit, these were not "I have a headache and the Dr. said it was a concussion".
And I will tell you, I now HATE hitting in practice. I understand our kids need to learn how to safely hit, and you have to hit to learn how to hit. It is safer for them to hit in practice under controlled conditions as preparation for the games. I get that. But I still hate it, and when we have a big hit in practice I cringe.
I am a big believer in the value of football from a character perspective. It's among the last bastions of "difficult" left in kids' lives. I have a 19 year old son who played from 7 on, and he's still trying to hang on in college as a walk on. He had three concussions in about 15 months going from June in 8th grade to September in 10th grade. Two were from football. We thought about pulling him after the third, but looked at the overall situation of who he is and what football does for him, and let him continue to play. Thank God he hasn't had another. Anyway, my point is, even though I allowed my son to continue after 3 concussions, and even though I understand the GREAT good that football does in a young person's life, I may hang it up soon because of concussions. I just can't stand hearing that big hit and then immediately wondering if the kid is concussed.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Nov 4, 2016 9:07:13 GMT -6
If I'm being honest, yes. But its not just concussions for me, its torn ACL's and broken legs. There is nothing I hate more than going to get one of my guys who are down on the field. I have considered it again and again. I figure they are going to play whether I'm the coach or not, I might as well stay on and do my best to take care of them. But it bothers me.
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Post by newt21 on Nov 4, 2016 9:29:28 GMT -6
No, whether I coach or not, someone will be coaching at my school. I'm more confident in my teaching abilities and keeping the kids safe than anybody else they may bring in because I know there's no chance of me playing a kid with a concussion, but I can't speak for Joe Schmo that they may hire if I were to stop coaching.
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Post by **** on Nov 4, 2016 9:46:58 GMT -6
No
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Post by carookie on Nov 4, 2016 9:53:38 GMT -6
I like a lot of what has already been written and really want to echo the sentiments of some posts already made.
First off, like a lot of people here (and has already been posted) I suffered through some pretty bad concussions in my playing days. The last one I took was in my early 20s and was as bad as any I have dealt with as a coach; to this day (I'm 36 now) I still deal with a lot of the effects from these hits- can't drive through mountainous roads, can't wrestle too hard with my son, heck i can't even go on the dumbo ride at disenyland. That being written, the benefits I got from playing football far outweigh what I may have lost, I wouldnt trade away having played for what I have to deal with now.
And since the benefits are so great, then let me also echo what newt wrote- I want to be the one delivering these to others. Football will go on, and I know that I am better suited to coach it than others, so I better do what I am here to do. I'd rather have me be the one coaching it, and doing it in a correct manner, then someone else who wont.
You take a risk just getting out of bed in the morning, but you have to consider whether or not the risk is worth the reward, whether or not the juice is worth the squeeze. For me, in football, it is. And since it is, then I am not afraid to be a part of it.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 4, 2016 10:02:34 GMT -6
Doesn't scare me at all and I don't really think about it to be honest. Never even crossed my mind to hang up my whistle. Our staff is a certified Heads Up staff and we do everything possible to teach safe proper tackling techniques.
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Post by ogre5530 on Nov 4, 2016 12:54:03 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 15:43:22 GMT -6
I'll be honest.
Concussions by themselves aren't making me uneasy, but I'm starting to wonder about football's place in the world these days. When I grew up, HS football was a big deal and it was considered a rite of passage. Young men were expected to play and the community would rally around the team, even when the team wasn't good. It was clearly a positive thing for the kids, for the school, and for the community as we made memories that lasted us the rest of our lives.
Now it's just another extracurricular activity, but an expensive one with a ton of overhead where kids get concussions, torn up shoulders and knees, etc. while no one in the community seems to really care anymore. The kids just don't seem to enjoy it that much or bond with their teammates like we did. Then there's all the ugly politicking, backstabbing, and scapegoating that goes with the territory from parents and administrators. The fact that it's a yearlong grind of weights, spring ball, fundraising, 7 on 7 all summer, etc. just wears on everyone and burns out players and coaches alike.
Then I look at the scores each week, both our own and the other schools in our state, and I see how they're almost always blowouts. Maybe 10% of the games are within 2 TDs. The bad teams get shellacked by 50 each week and the good ones win by the same amount. Even the games between the middle of the pack teams aren't much more competitive, but I know that a lot of those teams who are getting drilled week in and week out work just as hard or harder than the ones on top, have kids sacrificing their bodies and lives just the same or more, etc. Nothing that coaches do would change those outcomes.
These days, I often find myself wondering if it's all worth it. If the sacrifice and toll on these kids' bodies means anything, or how much influence we have as coaches, and if all the time, money, and effort that goes into it might be better spent elsewhere. This game is supposed to be fun, but I don't see many people having fun with it anymore.
I still love this game, but I don't have the same enthusiasm I had for it years ago. Yet I wouldn't know what to do with myself without it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 15:57:05 GMT -6
No, its just part of the game now, it will be for as long as the game exists.
You do your best to educate yourself, your players and staff
You take every preventative measure you can in terms of technique, equipment, and intervention in case one does occur.
Its not a witch hunt, its not an assault on our game, its something noone knew about and has emerged as we advance in the medical field .
Will it stave off kids?...perhaps, however i think the only way to deal with it is to be up front with parents and players and explain theres always going to be an inherent risk in this sport.
Its up to them as to whether or not they choose to play or not
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 17:37:22 GMT -6
No, its just part of the game now, it will be for as long as the game exists. You do your best to educate yourself, your players and staff You take every preventative measure you can in terms of technique, equipment, and intervention in case one does occur. Its not a witch hunt, its not an assault on our game, its something noone knew about and has emerged as we advance in the medical field . Will it stave off kids?...perhaps, however i think the only way to deal with it is to be up front with parents and players and explain theres always going to be an inherent risk in this sport. Its up to them as to whether or not they choose to play or not I agree, but I can't help but think that the concussion hysteria is overblown. It's very real and shouldn't be dismissed, but Dr. Bennet Omalu has a pretty checkered history and really loves being in the limelight--he was fired from his job for some professionalism issues, which he blames on NFL meddling, and recently was telling reporters that he was certain Hillary Clinton was being poisoned because she tripped and fell at a campaign stop a few weeks back. The other handful of researchers who are all over the media are building their careers on this, as well. The media, of course, is still lapping it up, and kids and parents are terrified, but it is out of touch with reality and has led to a lot of fear that, IMO, doesn't need to be there. As I said above, I don't think that concussions are the biggest issue facing football, though. They've always been a part of the game and now we know more about them and have better protocols and safety equipment than ever before. I feel like our game and the culture surrounding our game has bigger issues that are staving off kids. The old fashioned America where HS football was a fall tradition in small, blue collar towns across the country is largely gone. Many of those towns are dying out economically and culturally due to forces beyond their control. As they fade into ruin, the traditions and community identities which were embodied by HS football are fading with them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 17:50:55 GMT -6
No, its just part of the game now, it will be for as long as the game exists. You do your best to educate yourself, your players and staff You take every preventative measure you can in terms of technique, equipment, and intervention in case one does occur. Its not a witch hunt, its not an assault on our game, its something noone knew about and has emerged as we advance in the medical field . Will it stave off kids?...perhaps, however i think the only way to deal with it is to be up front with parents and players and explain theres always going to be an inherent risk in this sport. Its up to them as to whether or not they choose to play or not I agree, but I can't help but think that the concussion hysteria is overblown. It's very real and shouldn't be dismissed, but Dr. Bennet Omalu has a pretty checkered history and really loves being in the limelight--he was fired from his job for some professionalism issues, which he blames on NFL meddling, and recently was telling reporters that he was certain Hillary Clinton was being poisoned because she tripped and fell at a campaign stop a few weeks back. The other handful of researchers who are all over the media are building their careers on this, as well. The media, of course, is still lapping it up, and kids and parents are terrified, but it is out of touch with reality and has led to a lot of fear that, IMO, doesn't need to be there. As I said above, I don't think that concussions are the biggest issue facing football, though. They've always been a part of the game and now we know more about them and have better protocols and safety equipment than ever before. I feel like our game and the culture surrounding our game has bigger issues that are staving off kids. The old fashioned America where HS football was a fall tradition in small, blue collar towns across the country is largely gone. Many of those towns are dying out economically and culturally due to forces beyond their control. As they fade into ruin, the traditions and community identities which were embodied by HS football are fading with them. When it comes to matters of health its far better to err on the side of caution than to dismiss something as hysteria , then suffer the consequences. Remember up until a few years ago we didnt even now these long persisting conditions existed, up until 3 years ago TCE was hardly even a thought in relation to football, who knows what well know in 5 years?. Never forget were dealing with peoples lives in varying degrees within everything we do And being overly cautious in unknown realms simply because we haven't had the same result as others would be ignorant to say the least , and especially in today's litigation happy society. Your parents your kids your school or organization will all thank you for your attention to the matter, you can rest easy knowing you went overboard to protect your kids , along with your school, your rep, your career etc...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 17:59:01 GMT -6
I agree, but I can't help but think that the concussion hysteria is overblown. It's very real and shouldn't be dismissed, but Dr. Bennet Omalu has a pretty checkered history and really loves being in the limelight--he was fired from his job for some professionalism issues, which he blames on NFL meddling, and recently was telling reporters that he was certain Hillary Clinton was being poisoned because she tripped and fell at a campaign stop a few weeks back. The other handful of researchers who are all over the media are building their careers on this, as well. The media, of course, is still lapping it up, and kids and parents are terrified, but it is out of touch with reality and has led to a lot of fear that, IMO, doesn't need to be there. As I said above, I don't think that concussions are the biggest issue facing football, though. They've always been a part of the game and now we know more about them and have better protocols and safety equipment than ever before. I feel like our game and the culture surrounding our game has bigger issues that are staving off kids. The old fashioned America where HS football was a fall tradition in small, blue collar towns across the country is largely gone. Many of those towns are dying out economically and culturally due to forces beyond their control. As they fade into ruin, the traditions and community identities which were embodied by HS football are fading with them. When it comes to matters of health its far better to err on the side of caution than to dismiss something as hysteria , then suffer the consequences. Remember up until a few years ago we didnt even now these long persisting conditions existed, up until 3 years ago TCE was hardly even a thought in relation to football, who knows what well know in 5 years?. Never forget were dealing with peoples lives in varying degrees within everything we do And being overly cautious in unknown realms simply because we haven't had the same result as others would be ignorant to say the least , and especially in today's litigation happy society. Your parents your kids your school or organization will all thank you for your attention to the matter, you can rest easy knowing you went overboard to protect your kids , along with your school, your rep, your career etc... I agree with you on this, but by "hysteria" I was referring to some of the stuff I've dealt with, like moms telling me they're not going to let their kids play anymore because they've suddenly become afraid of concussions, or media pundits acting as if it's a certainty that playing football will ruin a boy's life down the road. I've also dealt with several cases in the last few years where players get upset over something not going their way, like being moved to a position they don't like or getting chewed out over mistakes, and then magically they have a "concussion" that takes them out of action and only seems to show symptoms when the trainer's around. That doesn't mean we dismiss concussion symptoms or treat them any less seriously. We have to err on the side of caution and take care of our players.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 18:20:48 GMT -6
When it comes to matters of health its far better to err on the side of caution than to dismiss something as hysteria , then suffer the consequences. Remember up until a few years ago we didnt even now these long persisting conditions existed, up until 3 years ago TCE was hardly even a thought in relation to football, who knows what well know in 5 years?. Never forget were dealing with peoples lives in varying degrees within everything we do And being overly cautious in unknown realms simply because we haven't had the same result as others would be ignorant to say the least , and especially in today's litigation happy society. Your parents your kids your school or organization will all thank you for your attention to the matter, you can rest easy knowing you went overboard to protect your kids , along with your school, your rep, your career etc... I agree with you on this, but by "hysteria" I was referring to some of the stuff I've dealt with, like moms telling me they're not going to let their kids play anymore because they've suddenly become afraid of concussions, or media pundits acting as if it's a certainty that playing football will ruin a boy's life down the road. I've also dealt with several cases in the last few years where players get upset over something not going their way, like being moved to a position they don't like or getting chewed out over mistakes, and then magically they have a "concussion" that takes them out of action and only seems to show symptoms when the trainer's around. That doesn't mean we dismiss concussion symptoms or treat them any less seriously. We have to err on the side of caution and take care of our players. No I don't think you would at all The problem with that is that no matter what, when it comes to their kid, they're right ...., if they feel that football is too dangerous for their child then it is , after all their child's safety and well being is their discretion . As far as Im concerned if they make that choice for their child it's not my job to sell it back to them, not my job to question why, or to give my opinion on the subject, once they decide their sons health is the primary concern..... wish them well, and carry on as usual ........because you'll be dangling from your junk if you do, this kid jumps back in and something does happen. If they don't want their son to play ball, ... hey bud best of luck to you in whatever you choose, and then walk away Kids who fake any injury, well then they're choosing their own path, they'll lose playing time , they'll miss reps, which may affect any scholarship offers they may get etc, just getting injured may in some cases . If that's their way around things , theres nothing you can do , nor is there anything you should , because again... if you are wrong , its your ass in the crosshairs. If they want to "owie" out , NOOO prob go see the trainer, without saying another word to them whatsoever , you put the next kid in. Because if you tell them, the next kid is getting a shot, you run the risk of someone saying they went back in with you knowing they were injured because they feared losing their spot ....Eliminate the possibility of culpability As for the media will run with anything controversial, doesn't matter who it affects, yeah it may pi$$ you off, but no matter what those are things out of our control. Just take the precautions, hope it doesnt happen, address it best you can when it does ...and move along
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