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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 22:09:36 GMT -6
We’re coming down the stretch, undefeated in league with our last game on Thursday against our rival. Today our team of 26 was missing 10 guys – only two that had legitimate excuses (fevers and projectile vomiting). The rest of the kids had excuses ranging from “I need to get my homework done so I can go trick or treating” to “I want to be home so that I don’t miss any of the Bears-Vikings game” to “I don’t care about practice, I’m not a starter anyway.” I realize it's JV but it's still maddening.
It baffles me that kids pull this kind of stuff when the end goal is in sight. My middle linebacker asked me if he could beat the crap out of all of them. It was all I could do to just say "no". Lord give me strength.
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Post by **** on Nov 1, 2016 6:30:29 GMT -6
Our JV kids haven't given a single phuk about football for 3 weeks. Right now we are half way through the playoffs, with a good shot of making it to the championship game.
I went off yesterday in film, JV kids sleeping in the back. Told them if you don't want to be here there is the phuking door. We don't want you if you are not all in.
If any of the kids said anything like that to me I would tell them to leave, but we have about 40 kids, not 26.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 1, 2016 21:20:48 GMT -6
Projectile vomit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 22:28:12 GMT -6
Today was last full practice before walkthru and then game Thursday, had 10 kids miss. To really pour salt in the wound my kicker snapped his leg when a guy rolled up on while him kicking a field goal. Compound fracture, absolutely gruesome. He's an incredible kid that is the hardest worker on the team, I'm absolutely sick that this kid had to sustain an injury like this. The rest of the practice was a mess. 46 hours and I'm going to put this goat rodeo in the rear view mirror.
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 2, 2016 6:32:50 GMT -6
I might have just found my next catch phrase
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 2, 2016 6:37:48 GMT -6
This was a tough year with our JVs as well. Most talented group I have ever had and we went 6-2-1 because zero phucs were given. It was a struggle to get them to practice hard, and as a result we always started slow. Long year.
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Post by Coach Vint on Nov 2, 2016 10:34:24 GMT -6
It starts with the culture you build as a coach. Many years ago we took over an apathetic program with apathetic kids. It was a process building a championship culture. Every day we brought it as coaches. We told them from day 1, if you aren't here to become a champion, then deuces. We had some talented kids quit. While we were less talented, we became a better program. We didn't play kids that didn't attend practices. We didn't play kids that didn't work hard. When you have a cancer, you must kill it before it spreads. You can cut it out or you can attack it with chemo. Either way, it must be gotten rid of as quickly as possible. It will hurt in the short term, but it's part of the long term process that will make your program better. It is hard to do. It is easy to trick yourself into thinking you need those talented guys that are lazy. If they don't work hard they can go be a PE All-Star.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Nov 2, 2016 12:42:03 GMT -6
It starts with the culture you build as a coach. Many years ago we took over an apathetic program with apathetic kids. It was a process building a championship culture. Every day we brought it as coaches. We told them from day 1, if you aren't here to become a champion, then deuces. We had some talented kids quit. While we were less talented, we became a better program. We didn't play kids that didn't attend practices. We didn't play kids that didn't work hard. When you have a cancer, you must kill it before it spreads. You can cut it out or you can attack it with chemo. Either way, it must be gotten rid of as quickly as possible. It will hurt in the short term, but it's part of the long term process that will make your program better. It is hard to do. It is easy to trick yourself into thinking you need those talented guys that are lazy. If they don't work hard they can go be a PE All-Star. Agreed 100%. Unfortunately some places aren't apt to give you that time to do so anymore. If you are taking a job where this needs to happen, you better be sure that your school will give you the time needed to do this and build or else you'll be done before you get where you want it to be. Fall break kills us.. we lose 5 guys at least every break. Usually they're freshman who use the excuse for not having a ride but it hurts the scout team for the size school we are.
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Post by Coach Vint on Nov 3, 2016 8:01:40 GMT -6
That's the tough part. I won't coach somewhere unless they are committed to winning. Some of the best jobs our there are programs that have been down but the administration and community want success. We are in a situation where we have to give kids rides. I give three or four kids a ride home from practice and to school each day. It is something I actually look forward to. I have also been at places where kids have every advantage. The big deal is what are the expectations, and do they match the support you will be given? Can your coaching staff build a culture that overcomes a lack of administrative and community support?
I once took a job at a place that said they were committed to winning, but after walking through the door I found out they were committed to mediocrity. It was going to be my first head coaching job, and I had signed the offer letter but not the contract. I am thankful there was a delay in the contract being written. I found out quickly they didn't want to be a championship program. They wanted to be below mediocre, and they embraced everything that had to do with underachieving. I made a decision to not sign the contract. It was the best career decision I have made. If the culture outside your program is so toxic that it creates complacency within the program, and there is no way around it, find a new place to coach. People who strive to excel cannot coexist with people who embrace being mediocre.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Nov 3, 2016 8:19:38 GMT -6
That's the tough part. I won't coach somewhere unless they are committed to winning. Some of the best jobs our there are programs that have been down but the administration and community want success. We are in a situation where we have to give kids rides. I give three or four kids a ride home from practice and to school each day. It is something I actually look forward to. I have also been at places where kids have every advantage. The big deal is what are the expectations, and do they match the support you will be given? Can your coaching staff build a culture that overcomes a lack of administrative and community support? I once took a job at a place that said they were committed to winning, but after walking through the door I found out they were committed to mediocrity. It was going to be my first head coaching job, and I had signed the offer letter but not the contract. I am thankful there was a delay in the contract being written. I found out quickly they didn't want to be a championship program. They wanted to be below mediocre, and they embraced everything that had to do with underachieving. I made a decision to not sign the contract. It was the best career decision I have made. If the culture outside your program is so toxic that it creates complacency within the program, and there is no way around it, find a new place to coach. People who strive to excel cannot coexist with people who embrace being mediocre. Sorry to side track things a bit but how did you determine that their commitment level wasn't there? What little things did you see that said to you "I gotta get out of here."
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Post by Coach Vint on Nov 3, 2016 9:10:59 GMT -6
The easiest way to put it is that I clearly laid out our program, standards, and expectations in the hiring process. I told the admin and committee that if they wanted to be successful and build young men to be great leaders in society while winning on the field, this is what it would take. If they didn't want to commit to this, then I am not the right fit. They said they were committed to the process until the process began. Coaches couldn't hold kid accountable because the admin bowed to the parents. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, but I realized quickly this place was a coach killer.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 3, 2016 9:39:12 GMT -6
It starts with the culture you build as a coach. Many years ago we took over an apathetic program with apathetic kids. It was a process building a championship culture. Every day we brought it as coaches. We told them from day 1, if you aren't here to become a champion, then deuces. We had some talented kids quit. While we were less talented, we became a better program. We didn't play kids that didn't attend practices. We didn't play kids that didn't work hard. When you have a cancer, you must kill it before it spreads. You can cut it out or you can attack it with chemo. Either way, it must be gotten rid of as quickly as possible. It will hurt in the short term, but it's part of the long term process that will make your program better. It is hard to do. It is easy to trick yourself into thinking you need those talented guys that are lazy. If they don't work hard they can go be a PE All-Star. I agree with this, to an extent. I have coached in several well-established programs that have these issues with JV kids once the play-offs roll around. Many of these were kids that worked hard for us during the year but just didn't care once their games were over. I was the freshman/JV HC/OC one of these years and these JV kids missing practice set me off like none other. We ended up booting five kids off of the team the first week of the play-offs. And, we made sure that those kids understood that they would be at the bottom of the depth chart the next year because they'd shown no loyalty to their team. I graduated college and didn't come back to that school the next year but I know that only two out of those five came back out for football.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 3, 2016 11:25:57 GMT -6
I think this partly fails to see things from those kids' perspective. Their season is over, because I'm assuming most states lack any kind of JV playoff structure, meaning that their games didn't mean anything to begin with and now they've got doubly nothing to look to in the immediate future. So if your team isn't looking at winning some championships, what exactly is in it for some 14 year old kid? I know he's part of "the team," and "the program," but his young brain literally can't handle the concept of paying it forward years and years into the future. He needs something a little more immediate. Even in college ball I make a special point of celebrating our redshirts, rookies, scout guys.
Nobody is born loving football, you need to create positive associations.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 14:13:11 GMT -6
Well, I was more surprised than anyone. The core guys that actually want to play football showed up for the game yesterday and played like angry lunatics. It was 46-0 at halftime so I had a dilemma - do I play the stooges that have been cutting practice for two weeks or do I keep the grinders in? I texted the HC and asked him what he wanted me to do and he said, "It's your call but I sure as hell wouldn't play them, they probably shouldn't have even come to the game." I decided to dance with the ones that brung me and we rolled to a 77-0 win over our rival. I had several pissed off parents lining up to take a bite out of my ass after the game but incredibly they all changed their tunes when I told them their kids haven't been to practice for a week or two. I still don't know if it was the right thing to do or not but the season is in the books, the kids that embrace the grind won a league championship and I hope some of the fence-sitters learned a lesson.
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Post by lochness on Nov 4, 2016 15:45:44 GMT -6
I get more than a little irritated when I see the same tired self-righteous answers blaming the culture that the coaches have or have not built for crappy behavior of players. I've been doing this for 24 years and yes, the coaches have a say in how the culture is shaped and how committed the kids are. No question.
But- you don't always have control of all of it as the HC. School culture is one thing. The culture of the other sports the kids play is another. Administrative support is huge. Player leadership is huge. Parent culture is a big BIG part of it. You can say "just cut all those kids" or "you get what you tolerate" or whatever, but when you only have 30 or 40 guys, and cutting the douchebags kills the chances of the good guys you have, that's a tough call.
It's never that simple or one-dimensional. I don't mean to offend...but it just isn't. I get really irritated when I see coaches blaming the perceived lack of leadership of other coaches with a canned "change the culture" lecture. Lots of good men with great leadership skills have suffered through bad seasons with a crop of payers who aren't committed, despite pouring their hearts into all the right things. Calling out the coach on a message board without more information is no different than being a parent yelling from the stands.
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 4, 2016 23:30:54 GMT -6
I get more than a little irritated when I see the same tired self-righteous answers blaming the culture that the coaches have or have not built for crappy behavior of players. I've been doing this for 24 years and yes, the coaches have a say in how the culture is shaped and how committed the kids are. No question. But- you don't always have control of all of it as the HC. School culture is one thing. The culture of the other sports the kids play is another. Administrative support is huge. Player leadership is huge. Parent culture is a big BIG part of it. You can say "just cut all those kids" or "you get what you tolerate" or whatever, but when you only have 30 or 40 guys, and cutting the douchebags kills the chances of the good guys you have, that's a tough call. It's never that simple or one-dimensional. I don't mean to offend...but it just isn't. I get really irritated when I see coaches blaming the perceived lack of leadership of other coaches with a canned "change the culture" lecture. Lots of good men with great leadership skills have suffered through bad seasons with a crop of payers who aren't committed, despite pouring their hearts into all the right things. Calling out the coach on a message board without more information is no different than being a parent yelling from the stands. I've heard it said many times, "If that school had some coaching...", or "If we had those kids....". This coming from coaches. its easy to coach someone else's kids.
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