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Post by nltdiego on Oct 26, 2016 15:42:01 GMT -6
Is this a generation thing OR my area.
I have guys miss due to sick, senior portraits, job interviews, etc.
Anybody else have commitment issues?
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 26, 2016 16:20:57 GMT -6
Is this a generation thing OR my area. I have guys miss due to sick, senior portraits, job interviews, etc. Anybody else have commitment issues? I thought it was a generation thing or just an our area thing until this year. Our new HC took a hard line on this. Unless it's excused by him, which is for almost nothing, you're here or you're losing playing time. If it becomes a pattern you're off the team. Our attendance has been uncomparable to years past and I'm sold that it's because of how the coach views practice. |
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Post by ahall005 on Oct 26, 2016 17:15:30 GMT -6
I know at our school we currently have a commitment issue but I don't think it is generational. there are seven schools that will win state in ohio this year. I doubt any those teams have commitment issues.
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 26, 2016 17:53:58 GMT -6
Its not a generation thing, its a self discipline thing. Its generated by the HC. Those who are not committed will be located and identified, and invited to leave...even before gear is issued.
My philosophy is that if you want to have fun playing the game, perhaps learn something about yourself as well as the game...I'm here, and I'm in all the way. If you're not, then go play soccer.
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Post by fantom on Oct 26, 2016 18:24:06 GMT -6
Is this a generation thing OR my area. I have guys miss due to sick, senior portraits, job interviews, etc. Anybody else have commitment issues? Our starting guard missed two practices this week so that he could play a character in a haunted museum tour. |
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Post by nltdiego on Oct 26, 2016 19:27:16 GMT -6
Is this a generation thing OR my area. I have guys miss due to sick, senior portraits, job interviews, etc. Anybody else have commitment issues? I thought it was a generation thing or just an our area thing until this year. Our new HC took a hard line on this. Unless it's excused by him, which is for almost nothing, you're here or you're losing playing time. If it becomes a pattern you're off the team. Our attendance has been uncomparable to years past and I'm sold that it's because of how the coach views practice. What was his rule? Do you have a handbook? Does admin suppose you? |
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Post by jasper912 on Oct 26, 2016 19:45:26 GMT -6
We kicked our best LB/FB off the team because he missed a few practices.
If you can't count on the kid to be there, then you don't need him on Friday nights anyways.
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Post by **** on Oct 27, 2016 6:15:49 GMT -6
I know at our school we currently have a commitment issue but I don't think it is generational. there are seven schools that will win state in ohio this year. I doubt any those teams have commitment issues. You know what is crazy? The 7 schools that will win state in Missouri this year don't have that problem either? Weird. You're either coaching it or allowing it to happen. |
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 27, 2016 6:29:32 GMT -6
I thought it was a generation thing or just an our area thing until this year. Our new HC took a hard line on this. Unless it's excused by him, which is for almost nothing, you're here or you're losing playing time. If it becomes a pattern you're off the team. Our attendance has been uncomparable to years past and I'm sold that it's because of how the coach views practice. What was his rule? Do you have a handbook? Does admin suppose you? I'll check what he has in writing, but our AD supports him and all coaches of every sport 100%. Why wouldn't they support him? Our HC doesn't do anything drastic, he just holds those who miss practice accountable. He just doesn't allow it. On day one he told the team a story about him as a sophmore in high school. He was skipping practice because he wasn't sure he wanted to play anymore. A senior captain showed up to his house, reemed him out and talked to him about commitment. Told him to get in the car and took him to practice. He said if that never happened he wouldn't have been a coach today. He wants players like that captain was. Holding eachother accountable. Our players have bought in and now our players will get on someone for missing practice. |
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 27, 2016 6:46:32 GMT -6
One of our seniors, who is a goofball, wasn't paying attention to our OC in a meeting. Giggling every so often, etc. HC blew up on the whole team, whole team did extra conditioning to start practice and he made the kid carry a heavy stand up bag around our practice field 4 times which equals close to a mile. Took the kid over an hour. He struggled the whole way. If he refused he was off the team. Needless to say there is no side chatting in film anymore.
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Post by nltdiego on Oct 27, 2016 6:47:25 GMT -6
So how do those schools do it I guess is the question.
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Post by blb on Oct 27, 2016 6:57:11 GMT -6
I told our kids at first team meeting that their priorities should be:
1) Faith, 2) Family, 3) School, 4) Football - no lower than #4 in-season.
Therefore excused absences would be only for church obligations, family emergencies (vacations were NOT emergencies), required school activities, and serious illness (meaning near-death).
Anything else including work was unexcused. All players were expected to be at practice daily including injured, otherwise what I heard them saying was "Coach, I really don't want to play football for __________ High School this year."
One unexcused absence got you some PIE or MEDS. Two unexcused absences meant you sat out a game. Three, and you're out.
Had very few problems in this area over the years.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 27, 2016 7:24:30 GMT -6
I told our kids at first team meeting that their priorities should be: 1) Faith, 2) Family, 3) School, 4) Football - no lower than #4 in-season. Therefore excused absences would be only for church obligations, family emergencies (vacations were NOT emergencies), required school activities, and serious illness (meaning near-death). Anything else including work was unexcused. All players were expected to be at practice daily including injured, otherwise what I heard them saying was "Coach, I really don't want to play football for __________ High School this year." One unexcused absence got you some PIE or MEDS. Two unexcused absences meant you sat out a game. Three, and you're out. Had very few problems in this area over the years. This. Set firm boundaries with your players and stand by them. I will also state that it starts with the small stuff at practice. Kids know that they will run extra drills after practice if they're late. They know that they will run extra drills after practice if they're dragging through the day and not giving effort. They know that they'll be shipped to the sideline and THEN do extra drills after practice if they're disrespectful or being uncoachable. Set this guidelines early and these kids that want to ditch to do family Christmas portraits will disappear from the program. We don't run kids for the first unexcused practice: we bench them for a half. Second one results in a missed game, third one: DON'T COME BACK. The mantra we give the kids and parents is pretty simple: you'd better practice if you want to play. |
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Post by coachnick303 on Oct 27, 2016 9:21:26 GMT -6
I thought it was a generation thing or just an our area thing until this year. Our new HC took a hard line on this. Unless it's excused by him, which is for almost nothing, you're here or you're losing playing time. If it becomes a pattern you're off the team. Our attendance has been uncomparable to years past and I'm sold that it's because of how the coach views practice. People have tried to convince me that it is generational. I agree that it is generational, but not with players. I think it is a generational thing with coaches and school administration. This is not true of all coaches but in the age of restorative justice and participation trophies the attitude of accountability and the hardline stance has gone down. I think as coaches start to get back into a hard line attendance stance it will become less and less of an issue. There will be growing pains to get back in that mode but worth it in the end. |
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 27, 2016 9:44:25 GMT -6
So how do those schools do it I guess is the question. All in or all out. The ones who aren't committed are the ones who aren't getting on the field, otherwise you're doing it wrong. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 27, 2016 9:53:33 GMT -6
I told our kids at first team meeting that their priorities should be: 1) Faith, 2) Family, 3) School, 4) Football - no lower than #4 in-season. Therefore excused absences would be only for church obligations, family emergencies (vacations were NOT emergencies), required school activities, and serious illness (meaning near-death). Anything else including work was unexcused. All players were expected to be at practice daily including injured, otherwise what I heard them saying was "Coach, I really don't want to play football for __________ High School this year." One unexcused absence got you some PIE or MEDS. Two unexcused absences meant you sat out a game. Three, and you're out. Had very few problems in this area over the years. I'm a pretty devout Catholic but I don't let my kids use church as an excuse for missing practice. Church would not be an excuse for missing school or work so I don't give it an excuse for practice. Not to start a religious/faith thread here but a kid was going to miss a couple days of camp for a church retreat. I told him about the parable when Jesus is asked if they should pay taxes & Jesus responds "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's." I then when on to tell him that when it comes to the football team that I'm Caesar. So in essence, this was God's way of telling him to get his ass to practice! |
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Post by nltdiego on Oct 27, 2016 10:02:09 GMT -6
So how do those schools do it I guess is the question. All in or all out. The ones who aren't committed are the ones who aren't getting on the field, otherwise you're doing it wrong. True but the uncommitted bring the team down in my opinion. |
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Post by blb on Oct 27, 2016 10:15:04 GMT -6
I'm a pretty devout Catholic but I don't let my kids use church as an excuse for missing practice. Church would not be an excuse for missing school or work so I don't give it an excuse for practice. Not to start a religious/faith thread here but a kid was going to miss a couple days of camp for a church retreat. I told him about the parable when Jesus is asked if they should pay taxes & Jesus responds "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's." I then when on to tell him that when it comes to the football team that I'm Caesar. So in essence, this was God's way of telling him to get his ass to practice!
Not too many have church between 3-5 pm weekdays so that wasn't a problem.
But some religions have prohibitions against doing things on certain holidays (Yom Kippur, Ramadan for example).
Also we had films 5-7 pm Sundays. If that's when a kid's family attended services, so be it.
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Post by blb on Oct 27, 2016 10:26:19 GMT -6
All in or all out. The ones who aren't committed are the ones who aren't getting on the field, otherwise you're doing it wrong. True but the uncommitted bring the team down in my opinion.
Then get rid of them.
If they have a poor attitude, aren't pulling in the same direction-hurting morale, fire 'em.
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Post by 53 on Oct 27, 2016 10:45:47 GMT -6
True but the uncommitted bring the team down in my opinion.
Then get rid of them.
If they have a poor attitude, aren't pulling in the same direction-hurting morale, fire 'em.
That or they'll start finding a few ears that will listen to their bitching and join them. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 27, 2016 11:20:36 GMT -6
True but the uncommitted bring the team down in my opinion.
Then get rid of them.
If they have a poor attitude, aren't pulling in the same direction-hurting morale, fire 'em.
We're not allowed to meet with kids on Sundays. Makes sense |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 27, 2016 11:38:28 GMT -6
The kids have to realize that being a part of an extra-curricular activity is like having a job. You will lose that job if you're late or you don't show up for your shift.
I won't say that it's "generational" but I do know that many kids I work with have been raised by parents who assume their child is well adjusted and successful if "they're happy". Unfortunately,we all know that the real world doesn't work that way and we do a disservice to the kids by not teaching them this fact through school and football.
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