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Post by hsrose on Oct 26, 2016 10:36:56 GMT -6
What are the drug testing policies at your school?
Here our athletes are 'randomly' tested. 1st offense, via test or from report or whatever (social media is a big source of incriminating images) is 6 weeks of Diversion Class where they learn about how bad drugs are. 2nd offense is end of that season. 3rd is end of sports for the year. 4th is no more sports ever.
Apparently we are the only school in our league that does the drug testing. I'm new here so I'm not sure why we do and the others don't.
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Post by ogre5530 on Oct 26, 2016 11:07:34 GMT -6
We just started doing random drug testing this year. So far it seems to be going well and very few student athletes have failed it. We did have two seniors who were caught via social media. They were a 3 year and 4 year starter. Needless to say we did not start well.
1st offense: 33% of the season (3 games for football) 2nd offense: Out for whole calendar year 3rd offense: Out for all sports for entire HS career.
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Post by hsrose on Oct 26, 2016 11:11:34 GMT -6
Does the school just test the athletes, or student body? Here it's just the athletes, there's no hammer for Joe Student.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 11:23:52 GMT -6
If you go looking for trouble, you will find trouble.
What does the school hope to accomplish by randomly testing?
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 26, 2016 12:12:01 GMT -6
We don't test. No one tests anywhere that I know of. Bad bad idea if you ask me. It would be a nightmare for the school district. One huge reason they wont....besides $$, people will ask why are you testing my child that is an athlete and not the child that is part of the drama club.
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Post by leighty on Oct 26, 2016 12:20:35 GMT -6
Who is paying for the drug testing? I can't imagine a public school district footing the bill for that kind of thing.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 26, 2016 12:41:01 GMT -6
Who is paying for the drug testing? I can't imagine a public school district footing the bill for that kind of thing. Oh the district I coach in does. They have been doing it for a long time now. Just athletes. The band is considered a class, even thought they practice after school and do all kinds of competitions, but since there is a band teacher and class they don't get tested... It's supposed to be random a couple times a year, the testing company send a list of kids and they are tested in school. I could rant about this for a looooooong time but just don't feel like getting that fired up before practice LOL
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Post by leighty on Oct 26, 2016 12:47:27 GMT -6
Oh the district I coach in does. They have been doing it for a long time now. Just athletes. The band is considered a class, even thought they practice after school and do all kinds of competitions, but since there is a band teacher and class they don't get tested... It's supposed to be random a couple times a year, the testing company send a list of kids and they are tested in school. I could rant about this for a looooooong time but just don't feel like getting that fired up before practice LOL That just strikes me as kind of bizarre. Like others have alluded to, I'm not sure what the incentive to test student-athletes is.
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 26, 2016 14:37:06 GMT -6
Oh the district I coach in does. They have been doing it for a long time now. Just athletes. The band is considered a class, even thought they practice after school and do all kinds of competitions, but since there is a band teacher and class they don't get tested... It's supposed to be random a couple times a year, the testing company send a list of kids and they are tested in school. I could rant about this for a looooooong time but just don't feel like getting that fired up before practice LOL That just strikes me as kind of bizarre. Like others have alluded to, I'm not sure what the incentive to test student-athletes is. There's a variety of situations where it's warranted but those are uncommon. A school can test their students involved in extra curricular activities but there's legal/constitutional stipulations regarding what can/cannot be done with the results once tested. That said, we don't and I would be pretty freaked out if we had to because I KNOW we have a plenty of kids toking up.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 26, 2016 18:31:19 GMT -6
Oh the district I coach in does. They have been doing it for a long time now. Just athletes. The band is considered a class, even thought they practice after school and do all kinds of competitions, but since there is a band teacher and class they don't get tested... It's supposed to be random a couple times a year, the testing company send a list of kids and they are tested in school. I could rant about this for a looooooong time but just don't feel like getting that fired up before practice LOL That just strikes me as kind of bizarre. Like others have alluded to, I'm not sure what the incentive to test student-athletes is. So the school board can look smart, proactive, and like they have any idea of what they are doing.
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Post by pvogel on Oct 26, 2016 18:55:40 GMT -6
I can't remember a school ive been at where it wouldn't be disastrous. And I can only imagine what would happen if you drug tested the band. The theramin and didgeridoo players would be the first to go. And does the district test coaches and employees then too? Or is it ok for them to do it?
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Post by pvogel on Oct 26, 2016 18:56:43 GMT -6
I can't remember a school ive been at where it wouldn't be disastrous. And I can only imagine what would happen if you drug tested the band. The theramin and didgeridoo players would be the first to go. And does the district test coaches and employees then too? Or is it ok for them to do it? *runs for congress in 15 years and loses the theramin and didgeridoo vote because of this post*
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Post by jasper912 on Oct 26, 2016 19:43:49 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids.
This is ridiculous in every way imaginable.
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Post by orion320 on Oct 26, 2016 20:17:40 GMT -6
Our school does random drug testing for every student in the school. Every month 10 students are randomly selected by a nurse at a nearby hospital. If a student fails they receive Social Probation (no dances, athletic events, etc.) and they lose their parking privilege at the school along with entering a diversion program.
It's a good process since it doesn't discriminate against just student athletes. With the every increasing drug issue in all high schools I think this is a good preventive measure for students becoming long-time drug users. Almost all parents are very supportive of the program.
I have seen several students fail the test as Freshman then by the time they are Junior they are a completely different person but sadly I've also seen it go the other way as well.
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 26, 2016 20:22:24 GMT -6
Increasing drug issue?
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 26, 2016 20:47:19 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids. This is ridiculous in every way imaginable. Sports aren't a right, they're a privilege and as part of that the school can impose stipulations like that. You'd lose that lawsuit.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 26, 2016 23:57:10 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids. This is ridiculous in every way imaginable. Sports aren't a right, they're a privilege and as part of that the school can impose stipulations like that. You'd lose that lawsuit. In my mind something like that would have to be in a player contract signed by parent & student prior to the season starting. If it was at random and given no notice, it would absolutely be discrimination. When I was coaching HS we would have lost most of our players and half our coaches if they drug tested. Now at middle school...I'd lose 1 that I know of. Maybe 2.
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 27, 2016 5:26:34 GMT -6
That just strikes me as kind of bizarre. Like others have alluded to, I'm not sure what the incentive to test student-athletes is. So the school board can look smart, proactive, and like they have any idea of what they are doing. I actually think it would have the opposite effect. The administration and school board would be bombarded from all sides by parents. Where's the money coming from and where are they taking it away from to conduct these tests, are the faculty and administrators getting tested also, are all after school groups including robotics, drama, cheerleaders, etc getting tested. Seems like a nightmare for the superintendent.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 27, 2016 6:36:33 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids. This is ridiculous in every way imaginable. All of our athletes and parents sign a drug and alcohol policy form at the start of every year. Basically saying we drug test and if you want to play you have to agree to it if randomly selected. They have been doing it for so long at this school it's not even an issue, just part of playing at this point. Our school board in all their glory is proud and brag "We're the only district that drug tests!" This is also the group that imposed on of the most ridiculous academic policies as well. It's as if they are proud of the fact they prevent kids from being active in sports...
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 27, 2016 8:40:42 GMT -6
Sports aren't a right, they're a privilege and as part of that the school can impose stipulations like that. You'd lose that lawsuit. In my mind something like that would have to be in a player contract signed by parent & student prior to the season starting. If it was at random and given no notice, it would absolutely be discrimination. When I was coaching HS we would have lost most of our players and half our coaches if they drug tested. Now at middle school...I'd lose 1 that I know of. Maybe 2. You're correct. On my phone in school traffic right now but the Supreme Court case was Veronia v Acton. The ruling lays out the necessary steps/procedures for these kind of situations.
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Post by ogre5530 on Oct 27, 2016 8:48:56 GMT -6
I can't remember a school ive been at where it wouldn't be disastrous. And I can only imagine what would happen if you drug tested the band. The theramin and didgeridoo players would be the first to go. And does the district test coaches and employees then too? Or is it ok for them to do it? They do not test the coaches or staff members here so we can smoke it up as much as we want!!! LOL
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Post by PSS on Oct 27, 2016 9:13:15 GMT -6
The school I'm at randomly drug tests students in extra-curricular activities. This includes not only athletics but also students that compete in academic contests, band, FFA, etc.
In order for a student to participate they and their parents have to sign a consent to test. If they don't sign then that student doesn't participate.
1st offense is 15 day suspension from activity. Can still practice but not play. Has to test for one year when random test are conducted. 2nd offense is 30 day suspension from activity. Can still practice but not play. Will be tested for more than a year when random test are conducted. 3rd offense is 1 year suspension from activity. Must test negative after that year in order to rejoin. Also, includes alternative school assignment. 4th offense is suspension from activity for the remainder of HS career.
In the 3 years that I have been here I've seen it work. Had a kid test positive, parents were upset at their son for the choice he made. He cleaned up his act and was allowed back in the program, graduated and is making a lot money working in the oil field. (They drug test there also.)
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Post by CS on Oct 27, 2016 9:27:44 GMT -6
We do it here and the parents have to sign a consent form. Personally, I feel like we are over stepping our bounds as a school when we try and police other people's kids outside of school. If it happens at a school event or they do some drugs and come up to practice/games then it is well within our rights to discipline IMO.
Anything else is on the kids guardians to enforce.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 27, 2016 9:58:50 GMT -6
Dont ask a question if you dont want to hear the answer...
Because the answer to this would be a resounding "YES!!"
---and I'm assuming it's weed they are testing for. Not condoning the practice, by any means, but the fact that its legality is looming, if not here already, nation-wide, it just seems like a silly thing to focus on.
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Post by PSS on Oct 27, 2016 10:15:05 GMT -6
Actually, we test for all illegal drugs, including steroids.
We have a zero tolerance for alcohol also. Our first year here we had to suspend a couple of kids for 2 games for being at a party where alcohol was present. When confronted they confessed to drinking.
We haven't had any problems since then. Not saying everyone is squeaky clean but no one has been caught.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 27, 2016 10:37:56 GMT -6
Actually, we test for all illegal drugs, including steroids. We have a zero tolerance for alcohol also. Our first year here we had to suspend a couple of kids for 2 games for being at a party where alcohol was present. When confronted they confessed to drinking. We haven't had any problems since then. Not saying everyone is squeaky clean but no one has been caught. We used to reassign students to a continuation school for drugs and alcohol. Budget cuts closed all but 1 of the schools. Then they were just eassigned to another school in the district. Now, after pressure to keep suspension and expulsion numbers down, we just dont suspend anyone. No one can be suspended for more than 5 days a school year (county policy), and anything more than a 1-day suspension requires so much mediation time in front of a committee (AP, psychologist, councelor, 1 teacher, and signature from area superintendent, PER INDIVIDUAL SUSPENDED STUDENT) that they no longer find it worth the effort. But hey, our suspension numbers are down!!
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Post by coachcb on Oct 27, 2016 12:04:48 GMT -6
The school with the most effective drug testing policy around here is quite strict:
1st offense= out of sports for the year and have to complete alcohol/drug awareness classes in order to be eligible the next year. 2nd offense= out for the rest of that year and all of the next year. 2nd offense= out for the rest of their high school career.
Three kids popped positive the first year they introduced this policy and they had a mass exodus to other schools the next year.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 27, 2016 12:15:40 GMT -6
We just started doing random drug testing this year. So far it seems to be going well and very few student athletes have failed it. We did have two seniors who were caught via social media. They were a 3 year and 4 year starter. Needless to say we did not start well. 1st offense: 33% of the season (3 games for football) 2nd offense: Out for whole calendar year 3rd offense: Out for all sports for entire HS career. That sounds like the ones I have had experience with 1st school was, 10 days first offense 2nd offense rest of that season 3rd done for the year We tested 9-12, and Every athlete was tested beginning of August, so if u flunked that one u are freaking stupid. My last year there they changed it to include junior high , but it was just to start throwing their names into the random, and all of us with cdls were in that random pool too. And they changed it to 3rd offense done with sports and extracurriculars all together for rest of school career.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 27, 2016 12:16:30 GMT -6
Last school I was at, we tested, didn't really know any of the protocol or system of how we did it. I just know we never had a football player test positive.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 27, 2016 12:17:22 GMT -6
We just started doing random drug testing this year. So far it seems to be going well and very few student athletes have failed it. We did have two seniors who were caught via social media. They were a 3 year and 4 year starter. Needless to say we did not start well. 1st offense: 33% of the season (3 games for football) 2nd offense: Out for whole calendar year 3rd offense: Out for all sports for entire HS career. That sounds like the ones I have had experience with 1st school was, 10 days first offense 2nd offense rest of that season 3rd non for the year We tested 9-12, and Every athlete was tested beginning of August, so if u flunked that one u are freaking stupid. My last year there they changed it to include junior high , but it was just to start throwing their names into the random, and all of us with cdls were in that random pool too. And they changed it to 3rd offense done with sports and extracurricular sale together for rest of school career. Oh, and written into the policy was a challenge system, if a student challenged it, they were still able to play till the next results came back.
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