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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 27, 2016 12:22:36 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids. This is ridiculous in every way imaginable. If they tested ALL extracurricular , u would lose, Sports and extracurricular safe not a right they are a privilege, Supreme Court has ruled 3 separate times on this. |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 27, 2016 12:24:00 GMT -6
Our school does random drug testing for every student in the school. Every month 10 students are randomly selected by a nurse at a nearby hospital. If a student fails they receive Social Probation (no dances, athletic events, etc.) and they lose their parking privilege at the school along with entering a diversion program. It's a good process since it doesn't discriminate against just student athletes. With the every increasing drug issue in all high schools I think this is a good preventive measure for students becoming long-time drug users. Almost all parents are very supportive of the program. I have seen several students fail the test as Freshman then by the time they are Junior they are a completely different person but sadly I've also seen it go the other way as well. How does that stand up in court to test ALL students? They didn't choose to go to school there, their parents just live in the attendance zone and have to. |
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Post by PSS on Oct 27, 2016 12:36:46 GMT -6
We just started doing random drug testing this year. So far it seems to be going well and very few student athletes have failed it. We did have two seniors who were caught via social media. They were a 3 year and 4 year starter. Needless to say we did not start well. 1st offense: 33% of the season (3 games for football) 2nd offense: Out for whole calendar year 3rd offense: Out for all sports for entire HS career. That sounds like the ones I have had experience with 1st school was, 10 days first offense 2nd offense rest of that season 3rd non for the year We tested 9-12, and Every athlete was tested beginning of August, so if u flunked that one u are freaking stupid. My last year there they changed it to include junior high , but it was just to start throwing their names into the random, and all of us with cdls were in that random pool too. And they changed it to 3rd offense done with sports and extracurricular sale together for rest of school career. We also test at the beginning of August. It's a baseline test. Takes hours to test everyone. The best thing about the random testing is that they will call them out of class all at one time. So for 1/2 the morning my classes are only half full. |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 27, 2016 12:40:29 GMT -6
So the school board can look smart, proactive, and like they have any idea of what they are doing. I actually think it would have the opposite effect. The administration and school board would be bombarded from all sides by parents. Where's the money coming from and where are they taking it away from to conduct these tests, are the faculty and administrators getting tested also, are all after school groups including robotics, drama, cheerleaders, etc getting tested. Seems like a nightmare for the superintendent. Both schools i was at, the students paid for the initial 15 dollars |
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Post by PSS on Oct 27, 2016 12:46:27 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids. This is ridiculous in every way imaginable. My son has been tested several times and I have no problem with it. Of course I don't have any problem either with him getting his rear-end busted by the principal when he gets a write up. Certain lessons in life you have to learn. |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 27, 2016 12:59:17 GMT -6
Dont know why that posted twice
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 27, 2016 13:03:00 GMT -6
Actually, we test for all illegal drugs, including steroids. We have a zero tolerance for alcohol also. Our first year here we had to suspend a couple of kids for 2 games for being at a party where alcohol was present. When confronted they confessed to drinking. We haven't had any problems since then. Not saying everyone is squeaky clean but no one has been caught. U guys test for steroids? I'm going to say that's what the school told u, u can test epizone to test ratio ( I think those are the terms) But u would have to test for each individual steroid to actually catch on specifics. This is way way expensive |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 27, 2016 13:54:05 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids. This is ridiculous in every way imaginable. How is it ridiculous? People are drug tested in pre-job screenings all the time. School bus drivers and others with CDLs can be drug tested quarterly and every one is perfectly fine with that. Your child is choosing to participate in a sport; they're not required to do so. I'm amazed that more parents aren't on board with this. Would you rather your son/daughter was playing sports and socializing with kids that are doing drugs or drinking or more responsible kids that are invested in something other than watching "Dazed and Confused"? Many parents have stated that it's a "violation of the Fourth Amendment" but it's not. They are choosing to allow their children to play sports and, as such, they are making a choice to participate. A part of that choice is the stipulation that they are drug testing. |
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Post by leighty on Oct 27, 2016 14:46:01 GMT -6
Literally no one attending your school has seen "Dazed and Confused."
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Post by coachcb on Oct 27, 2016 15:46:12 GMT -6
Literally no one attending your school has seen "Dazed and Confused." Three kids in my classes were quoting it today. Why do you think I made the reference? |
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Post by carookie on Oct 27, 2016 15:54:05 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids. This is ridiculous in every way imaginable. How is it ridiculous? People are drug tested in pre-job screenings all the time. School bus drivers and others with CDLs can be drug tested quarterly and every one is perfectly fine with that. Your child is choosing to participate in a sport; they're not required to do so. I'm amazed that more parents aren't on board with this. Would you rather your son/daughter was playing sports and socializing with kids that are doing drugs or drinking or more responsible kids that are invested in something other than watching "Dazed and Confused"? Many parents have stated that it's a "violation of the Fourth Amendment" but it's not. They are choosing to allow their children to play sports and, as such, they are making a choice to participate. A part of that choice is the stipulation that they are drug testing. I have no issues with your overall point, but I do take umbrage with your bad mouthing of "Dazed and Confused". That movie is a slice of Americana; I still enjoy it to this day. |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 27, 2016 15:55:42 GMT -6
How is it ridiculous? People are drug tested in pre-job screenings all the time. School bus drivers and others with CDLs can be drug tested quarterly and every one is perfectly fine with that. Your child is choosing to participate in a sport; they're not required to do so. I'm amazed that more parents aren't on board with this. Would you rather your son/daughter was playing sports and socializing with kids that are doing drugs or drinking or more responsible kids that are invested in something other than watching "Dazed and Confused"? Many parents have stated that it's a "violation of the Fourth Amendment" but it's not. They are choosing to allow their children to play sports and, as such, they are making a choice to participate. A part of that choice is the stipulation that they are drug testing. I have no issues with your overall point, but I do take umbrage with your bad mouthing of "Dazed and Confused". That movie is a slice of Americana; I still enjoy it to this day. I enjoy the movie too but I would have kicked that mouthy, pothead QB off of the team in a heart beat. |
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Post by pvogel on Oct 27, 2016 16:59:52 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids. This is ridiculous in every way imaginable. How is it ridiculous? People are drug tested in pre-job screenings all the time. School bus drivers and others with CDLs can be drug tested quarterly and every one is perfectly fine with that. Your child is choosing to participate in a sport; they're not required to do so. I'm amazed that more parents aren't on board with this. Would you rather your son/daughter was playing sports and socializing with kids that are doing drugs or drinking or more responsible kids that are invested in something other than watching "Dazed and Confused"? Many parents have stated that it's a "violation of the Fourth Amendment" but it's not. They are choosing to allow their children to play sports and, as such, they are making a choice to participate. A part of that choice is the stipulation that they are drug testing. Even if its not a violation of the 4th amendment, its a waste of my tax dollars anyways IMO And Dazed and Confused is a quite solid movie. "Americana "was a good way someone put it. |
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Post by freezeoption on Oct 27, 2016 18:29:27 GMT -6
we test at our school, have been doing it for four years now, we test quarterly, I think it is 6 random students in extra curricular activities, that includes sports, band, clubs
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Post by orion320 on Oct 27, 2016 19:35:17 GMT -6
Our school does random drug testing for every student in the school. Every month 10 students are randomly selected by a nurse at a nearby hospital. If a student fails they receive Social Probation (no dances, athletic events, etc.) and they lose their parking privilege at the school along with entering a diversion program. It's a good process since it doesn't discriminate against just student athletes. With the every increasing drug issue in all high schools I think this is a good preventive measure for students becoming long-time drug users. Almost all parents are very supportive of the program. I have seen several students fail the test as Freshman then by the time they are Junior they are a completely different person but sadly I've also seen it go the other way as well. How does that stand up in court to test ALL students? They didn't choose to go to school there, their parents just live in the attendance zone and have to. Students and parents have to sign a consent form. They can choose not to sign the form but they lose the ability to attend social events and school along with parking in the school parking lot. |
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Post by jasper912 on Oct 27, 2016 20:42:14 GMT -6
My tax dollars are used to fund the sports programs. My tax dollars are then being wasted to drug test students who want to participate in extra curricular activities? This is BS if you ask me.
If you want to test every student then I wouldn't be as upset about singling out the kids who actually want to do something other than just go to school. Most of the druggie kids are the ones who don't participate in anything.
If they were testing every student, then I would just be mad that they are wasting my tax dollars on something so silly.
Do they test the teachers in your school system?
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Post by hsrose on Oct 27, 2016 22:00:44 GMT -6
Does anyone know if your admins do anything with the data from the tests? How many positives this time vs. how many fornthe same time the last 3 years kind of thing. I don't have a problem with testing if it is part of a program or something. I talked with an assistant principal who is on the football staff and he knows nothing about any program the uses the tests. That tells me that they are testing kids to be testing, not as part of a program/process to change any behavior.
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 27, 2016 22:50:44 GMT -6
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 28, 2016 18:45:37 GMT -6
That sounds like the ones I have had experience with 1st school was, 10 days first offense 2nd offense rest of that season 3rd non for the year We tested 9-12, and Every athlete was tested beginning of August, so if u flunked that one u are freaking stupid. My last year there they changed it to include junior high , but it was just to start throwing their names into the random, and all of us with cdls were in that random pool too. And they changed it to 3rd offense done with sports and extracurricular sale together for rest of school career. We also test at the beginning of August. It's a baseline test. Takes hours to test everyone. The best thing about the random testing is that they will call them out of class all at one time. So for 1/2 the morning my classes are only half full. My first year at said school, we had a leak in the system , somehow certain kids found out right when their names were drawn and quickly checked out of school sick? |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 28, 2016 18:52:55 GMT -6
I would sue for discrimination if they tested my child because he/she was an athlete, but didn't test the other kids. This is ridiculous in every way imaginable. How is it ridiculous? People are drug tested in pre-job screenings all the time. School bus drivers and others with CDLs can be drug tested quarterly and every one is perfectly fine with that. Your child is choosing to participate in a sport; they're not required to do so. I'm amazed that more parents aren't on board with this. Would you rather your son/daughter was playing sports and socializing with kids that are doing drugs or drinking or more responsible kids that are invested in something other than watching "Dazed and Confused"? Many parents have stated that it's a "violation of the Fourth Amendment" but it's not. They are choosing to allow their children to play sports and, as such, they are making a choice to participate. A part of that choice is the stipulation that they are drug testing. Plus it gives students another easy reason to say no to drugs. |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 28, 2016 18:55:00 GMT -6
How does that stand up in court to test ALL students? They didn't choose to go to school there, their parents just live in the attendance zone and have to. Students and parents have to sign a consent form. They can choose not to sign the form but they lose the ability to attend social events and school along with parking in the school parking lot. So basically anything extra with school they can't do |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 28, 2016 18:58:07 GMT -6
Does anyone know if your admins do anything with the data from the tests? How many positives this time vs. how many fornthe same time the last 3 years kind of thing. I don't have a problem with testing if it is part of a program or something. I talked with an assistant principal who is on the football staff and he knows nothing about any program the uses the tests. That tells me that they are testing kids to be testing, not as part of a program/process to change any behavior. The first school i talked about did keep data, and in the 3 years we were there, the climate of the school changed. It went to almost a 3rd that were tested, testing positive, to almost zilch. And really all it was, is the kids liked us at coaches and we made it fun but worked their tails off. So they made the right choices. Since we left 4 years ago, it's almost as bad as it was before. |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 28, 2016 19:03:34 GMT -6
Another school in my area had this as their policy
All athletes tested in August, if u failed u were suspended for the first 3 games and counseling and stuff like that you had to do .
Second fail done for that season
3rd done for the year
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You could sign a paper that said yes I am refusing to take the test because I know I will fail.
In this case said athlete was suspended for 2 weeks
BUT
If you tested positive at all during the year , you were finished for the year in everything.
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