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Post by 33coach on Oct 18, 2016 13:52:14 GMT -6
it seems like every book i buy or read has glaring mistakes and it causes me to wonder about the quality of the person who wrote it.
for example - im reading one book right now, and half the diagrams have 12 players in it (this is a well known book as well) or another one i have where the names of plays / calls are different from page to page.
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Post by planck on Oct 18, 2016 13:52:51 GMT -6
Bad copy editing?
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 18, 2016 14:01:02 GMT -6
1. They are written by coaches
2. Apparently they are edited by coaches.
Love you all!
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 18, 2016 14:01:18 GMT -6
it seems like every book i buy or read has glaring mistakes and it causes me to wonder about the quality of the person who wrote it. for example - im reading one book right now, and half the diagrams have 12 players in it (this is a well known book as well) or another one i have where the names of plays / calls are different from page to page. Putting together a defensive playbook years ago I was typing up our goal line defense and was talking to our HC about how we could cover this, and this and this out of it. He said it was a great defense against any situation and we should maybe think about running it everywhere on the field. It wasn't until 2 days later when I looked at it again and realized we were playing a 6-3-3. |
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 18, 2016 14:09:01 GMT -6
It honestly drives me crazy because it's one of the consistent cliches of our profession. Hate encountering the football coach who can't spell philosophy but can diagram Okie Thunder Lion vs I Backs no problem.
I have half a mind to quit teaching and just copy edit football books for a living because as a profession we are just this side of illiterate.
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Post by tommyfootball on Oct 18, 2016 14:12:09 GMT -6
I remember reading in Nick Saban's book about the time he had LSU watch the film 'The Last Samurai', going on and on about the Tom Cruise and the Chinese army.
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Post by planck on Oct 18, 2016 14:13:20 GMT -6
It honestly drives me crazy because it's one of the consistent cliches of our profession. Hate encountering the football coach who can't spell philosophy but can diagram Okie Thunder Lion vs I Backs no problem. I have half a mind to quit teaching and just copy edit football books for a living because as a profession we are just this side of illiterate. That same thought has crossed mind. |
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Post by utchuckd on Oct 18, 2016 14:25:42 GMT -6
It's not just coaches, there's a ton of self published shite on Amazon these days that needs spellcheck, grammarcheck, and homophonecheck.
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Post by bignose on Oct 18, 2016 14:52:13 GMT -6
When I was writing a lot of articles for several coaching magazines, I was at the mercy of their production staff to spell my copy accurately and to transfer my drawings into the magazine's format.
Used to drive me crazy!
They'd have someone with no football background trying to "enhance" my diagrams, rendering them incomprehensible.
Even before spell check (which may be part of the problem, my current computer often changes word and meanings and I have to be diligent about re-reading notes that I have written) I'd have to request that the editor send me a proof copy before publishing my stuff, which is difficult in the world of deadlines.
I have a large collection of the Parker Publishing Football Coaching Manuals, Classics from the "Golden Age" of football publishing (mid 1960s thru the late 1970s) that have very few typos.
Today's stuff on the internet….not so much!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 17:56:00 GMT -6
It honestly drives me crazy because it's one of the consistent cliches of our profession. Hate encountering the football coach who can't spell philosophy but can diagram Okie Thunder Lion vs I Backs no problem. I have half a mind to quit teaching and just copy edit football books for a living because as a profession we are just this side of illiterate. If you knew how much those companies pay their copy editors, you'd know why they have so many mistakes. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 19, 2016 0:05:48 GMT -6
I'm with mariner. When I was younger I used to think I just didn't understand what I was reading, then I thought these coaches were idiots, then I thought they had hopelessly complicated systems for no reason, then I realized they're just terrible writers.
Since I was a chemical engineer before I started with football, process engineering is kind of my thing. It drives me crazy when I see a playbook with poor layout. Haphazardly tagged concepts, key details left to implication, poor morphological construction of the signals, it causes me anguish.
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Post by coachfloyd on Oct 19, 2016 4:26:21 GMT -6
Our defensive scouting report had it spelled defesne two weeks in a row.
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Post by jrk5150 on Oct 19, 2016 5:30:28 GMT -6
You also have to consider that it's not like these books sell a ton of copies, so there's only so much money a publisher is going to put into it.
I know Jack Gregory some, and when he was putting together his youth football books, he had both friends and a professional editor going over it, and there are still typo's.
And it's not like most coaches are professional writers...
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Post by mnike23 on Oct 19, 2016 5:46:08 GMT -6
It honestly drives me crazy because it's one of the consistent cliches of our profession. Hate encountering the football coach who can't spell philosophy but can diagram Okie Thunder Lion vs I Backs no problem. I have half a mind to quit teaching and just copy edit football books for a living because as a profession we are just this side of illiterate. Alvin Mack, the program!!!!!! kill everyone football books have typeos in thim becuz football coaches have fat fingers and cant type or they are hunt n peckers. lmao!! |
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Post by blb on Oct 19, 2016 6:09:22 GMT -6
I have experience in journalism and taught English for 19 years. So I know my spelling-grammar and take pride in what-how I write.
I have had articles published in magazines that were edited to the point the tone or voice was changed, or meaning became unclear.
One cut so much material one play could not be understood, and in another one diagram was omitted and three others mislabeled.
So it's not always the writer.
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Post by bignose on Oct 19, 2016 7:05:20 GMT -6
The other thing that happens is that in some cases: i.e. The Coach of the Year Manuals, the articles are transcribed from video copies of the lectures by production staff who are simply typing out what they "think" they hear from the video.
Something else the originator of the article has no control over.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 19, 2016 7:13:19 GMT -6
The other thing that happens is that in some cases: i.e. The Coach of the Year Manuals, the articles are transcribed from video copies of the lectures by production staff who are simply typing out what they "think" they hear from the video. Something else the originator of the article has no control over. They are the WURST! See what I did there... |
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Post by gibbs72 on Oct 19, 2016 7:38:45 GMT -6
It honestly drives me crazy because it's one of the consistent cliches of our profession. Hate encountering the football coach who can't spell philosophy but can diagram Okie Thunder Lion vs I Backs no problem. I have half a mind to quit teaching and just copy edit football books for a living because as a profession we are just this side of illiterate. I bet the pay would be a lot better!!! |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 19, 2016 7:53:15 GMT -6
We spell "dog" dawg. And I've always spelled "tight" tite. I've also noticed that I often have errors when I post on this cite because I'm usually doing it from my phone while taking a chit and I have fat fingers!
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Post by coachfloyd on Oct 19, 2016 8:17:18 GMT -6
We spell "dog" dawg. And I've always spelled "tight" tite. I've also noticed that I often have errors when I post on this cite because I'm usually doing it from my phone while taking a chit and I have fat fingers! you misspelled site. haha I spell Tight Tite also when referring to two tights. |
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Post by coachfloyd on Oct 19, 2016 8:19:48 GMT -6
I have experience in journalism and taught English for 19 years. So I know my spelling-grammar and take pride in what-how I write. I have had articles published in magazines that were edited to the point the tone or voice was changed, or meaning became unclear. One cut so much material one play could not be understood, and in another one diagram was omitted and three others mislabeled. So it's not always the writer. This happens with Strength Books as well. I know one book I bought by a guy who's material I already knew very well and as I was reading I knew that there were things in there that were wrong. Ive also written strength articles online where they change alot of what I say around. |
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Post by mnike23 on Oct 19, 2016 8:20:49 GMT -6
well, i spell dog, dawg too.
defense
always
wins
games
d.a.w.g. we are not the bulldogs or anything like that, but everyday the defense breaks down to "dawgs".
everyone always asking and looking at us like ???WTF??? defense has a 'no comment' rule on why we break it down to dawgs. its just something we do. lol
even the HC asked me early in my DC tenure why, i hesitated as he is an OC guru... but told him. he just laughed and said then win the games.
and we have....
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Post by blb on Oct 19, 2016 8:21:11 GMT -6
We spell "dog" dawg. And I've always spelled "tight" tite. I've also noticed that I often have errors when I post on this cite because I'm usually doing it from my phone while taking a chit and I have fat fingers!
I think you meant "phat" fingers.
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 19, 2016 9:32:41 GMT -6
1. By football books, do you mean books about coaches (like Nick Saban/Urban Meyer/Lou Holtz/Pat Riley/whoever bios) or books by coaches or coaches choice or that sort of thing? Both have issues but they tend to be different issues.
2. For popular football books you tend to have the issue where you have people who know football being edited or even the book being written by a ghostwriter who doesn't really know the game. In a perfect world they would go over the book again and again until all that is sussed out but there is a lot of pressure from publishing houses to get these things out on schedule.
3. For coaching books it's really a matter of resources. As others have said coaches write them and their attention to that kind of detail is probably lacking, and the level of editorial support at the places that put out coaching books is minimal. This is because they don't sell a lot of copies -- even successful coaching books it's in the single digit thousands, most "successful" books in that genre are in the hundreds sold -- so you don't exactly have the New Yorker editorial staff.
4. To some extent it just happens. Buy any new book on the New York Times Bestseller list and there are probably typos and mistakes there. I have published two books and I'd like to think I'm literate and I had professional editors and there are definitely mistakes (I can tell you where they all are). It's painful and annoying but you're also trying to put the book down and get it out. One difference between hardcover books and paperbacks is the paperbacks tend to be edited to eliminate typos and mistakes.
Those are excuses to some extent and it's true that some of it just comes down to laziness or lack of attention to detail, and there's a difference between having a typo or two (which is where I'd like to think my books land) than having errors that negatively affect the quality of the product either in terms of clarity or just distraction. Writing any kind of book is surprisingly difficult and unless you're writing the Da Vinci Code 2 it's not necessarily a great investment in terms of hourly wages, but if you're going to do anything and put your name on it you want to have some pride in it.
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Post by mdftfo on Oct 19, 2016 10:19:48 GMT -6
1. By football books, do you mean books about coaches (like Nick Saban/Urban Meyer/Lou Holtz/Pat Riley/whoever bios) or books by coaches or coaches choice or that sort of thing? Both have issues but they tend to be different issues. 2. For popular football books you tend to have the issue where you have people who know football being edited or even the book being written by a ghostwriter who doesn't really know the game. In a perfect world they would go over the book again and again until all that is sussed out but there is a lot of pressure from publishing houses to get these things out on schedule. 3. For coaching books it's really a matter of resources. As others have said coaches write them and their attention to that kind of detail is probably lacking, and the level of editorial support at the places that put out coaching books is minimal. This is because they don't sell a lot of copies -- even successful coaching books it's in the single digit thousands, most "successful" books in that genre are in the hundreds sold -- so you don't exactly have the New Yorker editorial staff. 4. To some extent it just happens. Buy any new book on the New York Times Bestseller list and there are probably typos and mistakes there. I have published two books and I'd like to think I'm literate and I had professional editors and there are definitely mistakes (I can tell you where they all are). It's painful and annoying but you're also trying to put the book down and get it out. One difference between hardcover books and paperbacks is the paperbacks tend to be edited to eliminate typos and mistakes. Those are excuses to some extent and it's true that some of it just comes down to laziness or lack of attention to detail, and there's a difference between having a typo or two (which is where I'd like to think my books land) than having errors that negatively affect the quality of the product either in terms of clarity or just distraction. Writing any kind of book is surprisingly difficult and unless you're writing the Da Vinci Code 2 it's not necessarily a great investment in terms of hourly wages, but if you're going to do anything and put your name on it you want to have some pride in it. Not that it really matters that much but I haven't seen any typos (or any ones that distract from the material) in your books for what it's worth. But some of the material that's out there....awful. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 10:23:09 GMT -6
It's not just coaches, there's a ton of self published shite on Amazon these days that needs spellcheck, grammarcheck, and homophonecheck. Now there's gay phones?!? What is this world coming to? |
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Post by ogre5530 on Oct 19, 2016 10:23:33 GMT -6
1. By football books, do you mean books about coaches (like Nick Saban/Urban Meyer/Lou Holtz/Pat Riley/whoever bios) or books by coaches or coaches choice or that sort of thing? Both have issues but they tend to be different issues. 2. For popular football books you tend to have the issue where you have people who know football being edited or even the book being written by a ghostwriter who doesn't really know the game. In a perfect world they would go over the book again and again until all that is sussed out but there is a lot of pressure from publishing houses to get these things out on schedule. 3. For coaching books it's really a matter of resources. As others have said coaches write them and their attention to that kind of detail is probably lacking, and the level of editorial support at the places that put out coaching books is minimal. This is because they don't sell a lot of copies -- even successful coaching books it's in the single digit thousands, most "successful" books in that genre are in the hundreds sold -- so you don't exactly have the New Yorker editorial staff. 4. To some extent it just happens. Buy any new book on the New York Times Bestseller list and there are probably typos and mistakes there. I have published two books and I'd like to think I'm literate and I had professional editors and there are definitely mistakes (I can tell you where they all are). It's painful and annoying but you're also trying to put the book down and get it out. One difference between hardcover books and paperbacks is the paperbacks tend to be edited to eliminate typos and mistakes. Those are excuses to some extent and it's true that some of it just comes down to laziness or lack of attention to detail, and there's a difference between having a typo or two (which is where I'd like to think my books land) than having errors that negatively affect the quality of the product either in terms of clarity or just distraction. Writing any kind of book is surprisingly difficult and unless you're writing the Da Vinci Code 2 it's not necessarily a great investment in terms of hourly wages, but if you're going to do anything and put your name on it you want to have some pride in it. On a separate note Chris, I hope you come out with a 3rd Smart Football book  |
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Post by 33coach on Oct 19, 2016 10:37:24 GMT -6
1. By football books, do you mean books about coaches (like Nick Saban/Urban Meyer/Lou Holtz/Pat Riley/whoever bios) or books by coaches or coaches choice or that sort of thing? Both have issues but they tend to be different issues. 2. For popular football books you tend to have the issue where you have people who know football being edited or even the book being written by a ghostwriter who doesn't really know the game. In a perfect world they would go over the book again and again until all that is sussed out but there is a lot of pressure from publishing houses to get these things out on schedule. 3. For coaching books it's really a matter of resources. As others have said coaches write them and their attention to that kind of detail is probably lacking, and the level of editorial support at the places that put out coaching books is minimal. This is because they don't sell a lot of copies -- even successful coaching books it's in the single digit thousands, most "successful" books in that genre are in the hundreds sold -- so you don't exactly have the New Yorker editorial staff. 4. To some extent it just happens. Buy any new book on the New York Times Bestseller list and there are probably typos and mistakes there. I have published two books and I'd like to think I'm literate and I had professional editors and there are definitely mistakes (I can tell you where they all are). It's painful and annoying but you're also trying to put the book down and get it out. One difference between hardcover books and paperbacks is the paperbacks tend to be edited to eliminate typos and mistakes. Those are excuses to some extent and it's true that some of it just comes down to laziness or lack of attention to detail, and there's a difference between having a typo or two (which is where I'd like to think my books land) than having errors that negatively affect the quality of the product either in terms of clarity or just distraction. Writing any kind of book is surprisingly difficult and unless you're writing the Da Vinci Code 2 it's not necessarily a great investment in terms of hourly wages, but if you're going to do anything and put your name on it you want to have some pride in it. Im mostly talking about books for coaches - so things like Tepper's Linebacker book, Olividotti's Pattern Match book, Jerry Campbells stuff...etc. hell i even found mistakes (play names and incorrect drawings) in Tubby's book. its just depressing that coaches can be writing about attention to detail and misspell attention  . |
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 19, 2016 10:47:35 GMT -6
It's not just coaches, there's a ton of self published shite on Amazon these days that needs spellcheck, grammarcheck, and homophonecheck. Now there's gay phones?!? What is this world coming to? What a terrible and unnecessary joke. |
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Post by planck on Oct 19, 2016 11:00:21 GMT -6
I'm with mariner. When I was younger I used to think I just didn't understand what I was reading, then I thought these coaches were idiots, then I thought they had hopelessly complicated systems for no reason, then I realized they're just terrible writers. Since I was a chemical engineer before I started with football, process engineering is kind of my thing. It drives me crazy when I see a playbook with poor layout. Haphazardly tagged concepts, key details left to implication, poor morphological construction of the signals, it causes me anguish. Yes! I was a biomedical engineer before starting in education. After writing patents, seeing how poorly some information is structured and conveyed just kills me. |
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