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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 15, 2016 7:04:38 GMT -6
Here is the situation.
I am at a traditionally very good program in Michigan. I have a good chance at running our JV team next year (JV is all 10th grade and any gifted 9th grader we pull up, probably 5 or 6 guys next year. We run the same stuff as varsity but generally operate on our own).
We have had a dip in talent over past years when we were winning titles. Our HC, while an awesome coach doesn't really have any expectation that our 9th and 10th graders lift until they are going into their varsity playing career.
Our 9th graders (rising sophomore JV players) are in the junior high and not our building. I'm starting to think about how I can get them lifting, hold them accountable for it, etc and was wondering how some of you would handle it.
Step 1 is sit down with the boss, but don't want to do that until after playoffs and until I have a plan that I am willing to own and head up. Certainly not looking to make work for anybody else.
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Post by blb on Oct 15, 2016 7:21:25 GMT -6
A friend of mine had their MS kids (8th graders) on BFS Starting Strength program in Winter-Spring couple nights a week for an hour each so it wouldn't interfere with practices-games.
He might have charged them something to pay for coaches who were overseeing it.
Do you have weight room at your junior High?
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Post by utchuckd on Oct 15, 2016 7:36:00 GMT -6
Is the junior high 7-8-9 grades? Maybe you look at implementing a program for all grades. Get them started coming in 7th grade, so it's just something they do by the time they're in 9th. That may be a longer term investment that would take time to pay off though.
What's your facility situation? Would they have to come to your building and how far away is that? Or do they have their own weight room?
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 15, 2016 8:11:50 GMT -6
A friend of mine had their MS kids (8th graders) on BFS Starting Strength program in Winter-Spring couple nights a week for an hour each so it wouldn't interfere with practices-games. He might have charged them something to pay for coaches who were overseeing it. Do you have weight room at your junior High? We have a lifting club down there that 2 of our freshman coaches oversee. My understanding is it isn't very serious though. They do have a weight room. And yes, JH is 7,8 and 9. Implementing a comprehensive program and that entire school would be a great idea. Especially since seventh and eighth are a part of our football program and also run our system. Our program is a comprehensive and all encompassing program from grade 7 to 12. We are starting to lack in the weight room though, and as a result schools in our conference are starting to pass us up. I think with our culture and our past successes our kids are still willing to put in the work, we just haven't had somebody that is passionate about setting up for them and overseeing it. |
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Post by utchuckd on Oct 15, 2016 8:40:11 GMT -6
Sounds like you have a good situation waiting to be exploited. Make it a focus and it sounds like the kids will show up, as long as your freshman coaches that run it currently will be on board with amping it up. Get the JR High coaches involved too if you can.
Design a solid basic program and have a big meeting to sell it to them. Put up record boards and get t-shirts with a weight room specific theme, your basic relatively cheap things that recognize participation in the weight room. My experience has been if you give teenagers a chance to lift weights they're gonna show up. Especially if one of the 'high school coaches' is involved.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 15, 2016 8:50:34 GMT -6
Here is the situation. I am at a traditionally very good program in Michigan. Our HC, while an awesome coach doesn't really have any expectation that our 9th and 10th graders lift until they are going into their varsity playing career. I guess this just highlights the differences in football throughout the country. I realize this statement may come off snobish, or arrogant, but I can't imagine those statements being true in parts of the country where football is considered "big time". That said, I think it sounds like you have a GREAT opportunity to really add to an already good program. Just work out the logistics. The actual program you use is no where near as important as getting the kids to be involved with it |
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 15, 2016 8:55:29 GMT -6
Here is the situation. I am at a traditionally very good program in Michigan. Our HC, while an awesome coach doesn't really have any expectation that our 9th and 10th graders lift until they are going into their varsity playing career. I guess this just highlights the differences in football throughout the country. I realize this statement may come off snobish, or arrogant, but I can't imagine those statements being true in parts of the country where football is considered "big time". That said, I think it sounds like you have a GREAT opportunity to really add to an already good program. Just work out the logistics. The actual program you use is no where near as important as getting the kids to be involved with it It isn't arrogant, and it is going on in our program. Not others. I think there used to be an expectation but it has kind of dropped off over the past couple of years. I haven't been here long enough to know why. We won 2 titles, and I know those varsity kids were all lifting back in junior high. I wasn't here for those, but I know the schools history. I am not sure if we became complacent, HC is eyeing retirement, or what. What I do know is regardless of who the boss is I want our program to stay strong because I want to be here for a long time. Teams who have these expectations in our conference are starting to pass us by because our past two classes have had a later start on lifting. I have coached in bad programs, and I am afraid that we are slowly starting to look like one. Nobody gripes though, because we are about to win the conference if we win again next week. A win will give us home field through the playoffs. |
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 15, 2016 9:15:24 GMT -6
Can admin make weightlifting part of PE credit?
Getting the cheerleaders practicing in the same area worked for us. Guys at least showed up!
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 15, 2016 9:32:36 GMT -6
It isn't arrogant, and it is going on in our program. Not others. I think there used to be an expectation but it has kind of dropped off over the past couple of years. I haven't been here long enough to know why. We won 2 titles, and I know those varsity kids were all lifting back in junior high. I wasn't here for those, but I know the schools history. I am not sure if we became complacent, HC is eyeing retirement, or what. What I do know is regardless of who the boss is I want our program to stay strong because I want to be here for a long time. Teams who have these expectations in our conference are starting to pass us by because our past two classes have had a later start on lifting. I have coached in bad programs, and I am afraid that we are slowly starting to look like one. Nobody gripes though, because we are about to win the conference if we win again next week. A win will give us home field through the playoffs. AH..Ok, that makes more sense. Program had kids lifting early..program won championships. Program not lifting until 10th grade, program having less success. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 15, 2016 9:48:25 GMT -6
It isn't arrogant, and it is going on in our program. Not others. I think there used to be an expectation but it has kind of dropped off over the past couple of years. I haven't been here long enough to know why. We won 2 titles, and I know those varsity kids were all lifting back in junior high. I wasn't here for those, but I know the schools history. I am not sure if we became complacent, HC is eyeing retirement, or what. What I do know is regardless of who the boss is I want our program to stay strong because I want to be here for a long time. Teams who have these expectations in our conference are starting to pass us by because our past two classes have had a later start on lifting. I have coached in bad programs, and I am afraid that we are slowly starting to look like one. Nobody gripes though, because we are about to win the conference if we win again next week. A win will give us home field through the playoffs. AH..Ok, that makes more sense. Program had kids lifting early..program won championships. Program not lifting until 10th grade, program having less success. That's exactly it. Strange correlation, right? |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Oct 15, 2016 11:35:51 GMT -6
AH..Ok, that makes more sense. Program had kids lifting early..program won championships. Program not lifting until 10th grade, program having less success. That's exactly it. Strange correlation, right? I get a lot of push back on this idea when I post it on here, but we have minimum weight room standards to be a starter in our program, and that starts with the JV level (which is almost all 10th graders for us, just to be clear.) The standards for a JV guy are very attainable for anybody that puts some time in the weight room, but we decided to put a minimum standard in place at that level just to create a little more of a sense of urgency for guys to lift as freshmen. And once they start getting stronger they tend to buy into it, we have very few if any "players" on our varsity team that are borderline on whether they will meet the weight room standards each year. Weight room is one of if not the biggest things we emphasize in our program, and as one would expect when are weight room numbers took off so did our on field success. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 15, 2016 11:44:57 GMT -6
That's exactly it. Strange correlation, right? I get a lot of push back on this idea when I post it on here, but we have minimum weight room standards to be a starter in our program, and that starts with the JV level (which is almost all 10th graders for us, just to be clear.) The standards for a JV guy are very attainable for anybody that puts some time in the weight room, but we decided to put a minimum standard in place at that level just to create a little more of a sense of urgency for guys to lift as freshmen. And once they start getting stronger they tend to buy into it, we have very few if any "players" on our varsity team that are borderline on whether they will meet the weight room standards each year. Weight room is one of if not the biggest things we emphasize in our program, and as one would expect when are weight room numbers took off so did our on field success. I can see where people are coming from on both sides of that argument. Would you mind sharing what your standards are? Either here or off list. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Oct 15, 2016 12:53:21 GMT -6
I get a lot of push back on this idea when I post it on here, but we have minimum weight room standards to be a starter in our program, and that starts with the JV level (which is almost all 10th graders for us, just to be clear.) The standards for a JV guy are very attainable for anybody that puts some time in the weight room, but we decided to put a minimum standard in place at that level just to create a little more of a sense of urgency for guys to lift as freshmen. And once they start getting stronger they tend to buy into it, we have very few if any "players" on our varsity team that are borderline on whether they will meet the weight room standards each year. Weight room is one of if not the biggest things we emphasize in our program, and as one would expect when are weight room numbers took off so did our on field success. I can see where people are coming from on both sides of that argument. Would you mind sharing what your standards are? Either here or off list. The only one I know right off hand is our power clean. For seniors it's 225, juniors it's 210, sophomores I think it's 175. Nothing too crazy and in my opinion very attainable, we are doing it more to establish a culture of lifting early in their career. For squat and bench we have different weights based on their position group and their year, but I don't remember what they are without getting to school and looking it up. |
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