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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 9:31:39 GMT -6
Here is a little about me. When I graduated High School in 2013 I immediately got started coaching football. My Head Coach called me and asked me if I were interested in being an assistant Coach for the Freshman program. I accepted. Following that season the Head coach had gotten fired. The new coach that got hired called me and asked me to return to the Freshman program only this time as the Head Coach of the Freshman program. I accepted and we finished the 2014 year 7-2. I was the Offensive and Defensive coordinator for the team. The varsity head coach made himself very available to me and helped me with defensive adjustments. I would be the head coach for the next 3 seasons. Last season we finished 2-7. Thus far this season we are 6-0 and outscored our opponents 208-44. Our Varsity team hasn't done so hot the last couple years and our head coach might get fired following the season. If he does get fired do I have a decent shot at becoming the head coach or an offensive coordinator at a maybe smaller school in my area? Not looking for a teaching job attached being I own my own business. I am only 22 years old but have 3 years of experience running a program. Do I have a shot at becoming an OC or a HC of a varsity program ?
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Post by **** on Oct 12, 2016 10:32:33 GMT -6
Small school you potentially could. It's happened before. Probably gonna be a chitty school with no winning tradition though.
My first DC/ST job was at a small, and chitty school when I was 21.
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Post by leighty on Oct 12, 2016 12:18:39 GMT -6
I can't imagine a school that would fire a coach after three years is interested in a 22-year-old non-faculty coach.
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Post by dytmook on Oct 12, 2016 12:24:58 GMT -6
You may be able to get an OC gig, but I see an HC being a stretch. Not sure how much you actually run the freshmen program. Our lower level programs aren't really autonomous so while it's good, it's certainly not an indicator of being HC ready.
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 12, 2016 12:45:00 GMT -6
Chances are very slim. Our AD would get fired if he hired a freshmen coach with 4 years experience as the new varsity HC. Unless it's a small school and just a terrible situation, your going to be up against candidates that have former varsity HCing experience. I'm in Rhode Island and our open HC position this past offseason got over 40 applicants. Our new HC has been a HS HC for 14 years, interned at Uconn and held other varsity assistant positons. I use to be a head freshmen coach, won 3 state championships in 4 seasons and it really means jack when it comes to varsity level. If I was an AD and a up and coming freshmen coach was on my radar for possibly being a future varsity coach I would be looking at his coaching style, demeanor, body language, his interactions with players, etc. Wins and losses at that level really don't mean much to anyone besides freshmen coaches, the freshmen players, their parents and relatives.
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Post by stilllearning on Oct 12, 2016 12:55:13 GMT -6
The bad news is I'd say it's still too big of a leap for someone to hire you as HC. The good news is you're 22 and you have time to keep up the ladder 1 rung at a time.
If I had to guess, I'd say your best bet to get what you want ASAP is a new coach comes in and your AD recommends you to him for OC consideration. Another option might be if your outgoing coach catches on as HC somewhere different (smaller?) he might be looking for someone he knows to come with him and his OC spot might be open.
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Post by coachpech on Oct 12, 2016 13:03:42 GMT -6
Personally, I wouldn't call coaching 9th grade football the equivalent to "3 years experience running a program."
No disrespect, you are young and have lots of time in front of you to learn. I wish I had the years back you have in front of you. There's just so many more responsibilities that come with being THE GUY. Atleast where we're at..
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 12, 2016 13:20:27 GMT -6
At 22, I sure didn't have the maturity, understanding, knowledge, temperament, etc to handle the parents as a varsity HC. If you do, more power to ya! Write a friggin manual!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 15:18:09 GMT -6
The OC of our varsity program is 22 years old and the kid is brilliant, hard-working, energetic & the players/coaches all respect him. He's also mature far beyond his years - the other coaches and I sometimes semi-joke about "the kid" giving us life advice. He is more mature than the 45 year old HC that coached him in high school. The other day somebody asked our AD about him taking over the program if the HC left. His response was, in essence, "He may be the best guy qualified for the job but if I hired a 22 year-old kid as the head of the football program the administration (board) would probably can me." All that to say, you may be qualified for the job but some short-sighted people may see your age as a barrier to you doing the job. And if they're the one pulling the trigger, you're dead in the water.
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 12, 2016 15:20:54 GMT -6
Do you know what a "fat chance" is?
Still, don't get discouraged. I like that you're aiming high! Stick to it and take any gig you can get. If you love the game and love coaching, it will eventually love you back.
Then you can get a taste of occasional misery...just like the rest of us.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 13, 2016 9:08:17 GMT -6
The OC of our varsity program is 22 years old and the kid is brilliant, hard-working, energetic & the players/coaches all respect him. He's also mature far beyond his years - the other coaches and I sometimes semi-joke about "the kid" giving us life advice. He is more mature than the 45 year old HC that coached him in high school. The other day somebody asked our AD about him taking over the program if the HC left. His response was, in essence, "He may be the best guy qualified for the job but if I hired a 22 year-old kid as the head of the football program the administration (board) would probably can me." All that to say, you may be qualified for the job but some short-sighted people may see your age as a barrier to you doing the job. And if they're the one pulling the trigger, you're dead in the water. I was hired by Principal A to be head coach at my last job, when Principal B took over I was demoted to S&C Coach and they brought in an older guy to be HC who quit after 5 games... AD's/Principals don't always make good decisions when they're clouded by "ideas" (ie. former NFL player, local legend, demographic fits) but they do it anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 10:30:01 GMT -6
The OC of our varsity program is 22 years old and the kid is brilliant, hard-working, energetic & the players/coaches all respect him. He's also mature far beyond his years - the other coaches and I sometimes semi-joke about "the kid" giving us life advice. He is more mature than the 45 year old HC that coached him in high school. The other day somebody asked our AD about him taking over the program if the HC left. His response was, in essence, "He may be the best guy qualified for the job but if I hired a 22 year-old kid as the head of the football program the administration (board) would probably can me." All that to say, you may be qualified for the job but some short-sighted people may see your age as a barrier to you doing the job. And if they're the one pulling the trigger, you're dead in the water. I was hired by Principal A to be head coach at my last job, when Principal B took over I was demoted to S&C Coach and they brought in an older guy to be HC who quit after 5 games... AD's/Principals don't always make good decisions when they're clouded by "ideas" (ie. former NFL player, local legend, demographic fits) but they do it anyway. Absolutely right. Our AD is a very nice man but he is not directing to win/build a great program, he's directing to save/keep his own job. He's going to go with the "safe" (or what he thinks is the "safe") choice every time and that's one where people won't question him. |
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 13, 2016 11:19:15 GMT -6
I was hired by Principal A to be head coach at my last job, when Principal B took over I was demoted to S&C Coach and they brought in an older guy to be HC who quit after 5 games... AD's/Principals don't always make good decisions when they're clouded by "ideas" (ie. former NFL player, local legend, demographic fits) but they do it anyway. Absolutely right. Our AD is a very nice man but he is not directing to win/build a great program, he's directing to save/keep his own job. He's going to go with the "safe" (or what he thinks is the "safe") choice every time and that's one where people won't question him. Not necessarily. Your assuming you wouldn't get any solid applicants and your 22 year old OC is your best option. If your HC position opened up and there were applicants, let's say with 8+ years of HCing experience from a good competitive above average program then I would expect the applicant with previous HCing experience to get the job. Your AD would be doing what he thought was best for the program and not himself. 22 year old coaches get their chance when there's no other option for a small crappy program. They make a name for themselves by turning that crappy program in a powerhouse. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 13, 2016 11:57:17 GMT -6
I was hired by Principal A to be head coach at my last job, when Principal B took over I was demoted to S&C Coach and they brought in an older guy to be HC who quit after 5 games... AD's/Principals don't always make good decisions when they're clouded by "ideas" (ie. former NFL player, local legend, demographic fits) but they do it anyway. Absolutely right. Our AD is a very nice man but he is not directing to win/build a great program, he's directing to save/keep his own job. He's going to go with the "safe" (or what he thinks is the "safe") choice every time and that's one where people won't question him. sounds like he wants to keep his food on his plate, can't blame him in this world we're in. |
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Post by carookie on Oct 13, 2016 14:39:30 GMT -6
I was hired by Principal A to be head coach at my last job, when Principal B took over I was demoted to S&C Coach and they brought in an older guy to be HC who quit after 5 games... AD's/Principals don't always make good decisions when they're clouded by "ideas" (ie. former NFL player, local legend, demographic fits) but they do it anyway. Absolutely right. Our AD is a very nice man but he is not directing to win/build a great program, he's directing to save/keep his own job. He's going to go with the "safe" (or what he thinks is the "safe") choice every time and that's one where people won't question him. I say it all the time, 'the worst thing you can do is lose uniquely'. Take the NFL for example, you hire a retread coach and he fails then you can always justify it, "well, I'm not the only one who thought he could coach, someone else hired him too." In our world, we are often discouraged from being creative or trying new things that we can think of on our own. I know of HCs who won't run anything that hasn't been successfully done somewhere else. To me that is silly, who is to say that someone else has a better idea than what I can think of; that doesn't mean I don't take others advice (or mostly use things I've got from somewhere else). But am not afraid to try something new. If something, or someway of doing things, is the best in your esteem; then who cares where it came from (whether it was Pete Carroll or Pete the JV assistant coach). Analyze the idea, the ideas of the person, and then choose what is best. Thank you I'll step off my soapbox now. |
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Post by nstanley on Oct 15, 2016 16:17:25 GMT -6
My suggestion with any coach who wants to go from being an assistant to a HC is that you need to do the job before you get paid to do it. As much as you put into the Freshman program, there a 1001 things that a HFC at the varsity level needs to be aware of. Finding a program where you can have an increased role, etc., would be at the top of my list if I were in your situation.
Find a program where you can be a varsity assistant or a coordinator in the JV or even Frosh program while also coaching at the varsity level. Start developing a notebook/google drive/Evernote collection of the ideas you want to make apart of your program. Find a mentor who is willing to share time and information about not just schemes but culture building, communication, fundraising, equipment management, coaching coaches, etc.
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