mc140
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Post by mc140 on Oct 10, 2016 17:40:46 GMT -6
So I have a 3rd string CB. Shows up every day, plays on kickoff and while not particularly good, is not a complete liability on the field. This kid had perfect attendance all summer and never misses practices.
So last week our 2nd string CB was ineligible and then our first string stayed home from school and missed practice on Wednesday. I tell the kid to go in at Corner and that he is starting on Friday. The next day is walk through and the kid comes to school but misses practice. Tells us he had a surprise Dr. Appointment. It had no impact on our team as I then jut moved our best WR over to the defensive side for a quarter. I wanted to reward the kid for all the work he had put in. Oh well.
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Post by somecoach on Oct 10, 2016 17:55:18 GMT -6
We all have those guys.
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 10, 2016 18:28:37 GMT -6
The other side of that is having a third string QB who can't even catch a snap most days that just won't go away. Love the kid though. If I need something on scout he is always down to do it. Doesn't matter what.
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Post by somecoach on Oct 10, 2016 22:27:38 GMT -6
The other side of that is having a third string QB who can't even catch a snap most days that just won't go away. Love the kid though. If I need something on scout he is always down to do it. Doesn't matter what. Or the other side of THAT is the 3rd string "insert filler position here" that's parents want your head because the can't figure out why their talent AND discipline deficient kid isn't seeing the field. |
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 11, 2016 5:23:03 GMT -6
It is often really scary to be counted on. It's safer to just stay on KO and get a little garbage time. Most girls dont recognize the difference, they just see the jersey on fridays...
We all have those kids, usually they are great to have on the team!! The ones I cant stand stand are the ones who pull that "surprise appt" stunt, then cry about not getting PT.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 11, 2016 10:48:30 GMT -6
It is often really scary to be counted on. It's safer to just stay on KO and get a little garbage time. Most girls dont recognize the difference, they just see the jersey on fridays... We all have those kids, usually they are great to have on the team!! The ones I cant stand stand are the ones who pull that "surprise appt" stunt, then cry about not getting PT. We've got a kid right now that has skipped the last two Weds for military "PT". Let's overlook the fact that he never went to a single "PT" in the entire summer for now. What is annoying is that he just decided to do this the week we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. THEN, whines when I don't play him on Friday night. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 11, 2016 10:49:23 GMT -6
It is often really scary to be counted on. It's safer to just stay on KO and get a little garbage time. Most girls dont recognize the difference, they just see the jersey on fridays... We all have those kids, usually they are great to have on the team!! The ones I cant stand stand are the ones who pull that "surprise appt" stunt, then cry about not getting PT. Yes, this is our society. It's better to play it safe than to get out there and risk failure. I recently thanked my parents for raising me to not be afraid of failure, to take my shots when opportunities were there. I thanked my parents, because my son recently thanked me for that exact same thing. I didn't even realize that wasn't how everyone was raised, I guess I just never paid attention. I would like to hope that one of the things my players and students have learned from me is the willingness to try regardless of the outcome. Whether it's a pretty girl, a job, playing on friday night...if you aren't willing to risk failure to go after what you want, then your life is really just a participation ribbon. I have a partially drafted letter that I plan on completing after the season thanking my parents for exactly the same thing. It amazes me how others raise their children. |
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 11, 2016 11:43:14 GMT -6
It is often really scary to be counted on. It's safer to just stay on KO and get a little garbage time. Most girls dont recognize the difference, they just see the jersey on fridays... We all have those kids, usually they are great to have on the team!! The ones I cant stand stand are the ones who pull that "surprise appt" stunt, then cry about not getting PT. We've got a kid right now that has skipped the last two Weds for military "PT". Let's overlook the fact that he never went to a single "PT" in the entire summer for now. What is annoying is that he just decided to do this the week we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. THEN, whines when I don't play him on Friday night. My eye just started twitching... At least it sounds like you have control within your program, as we do as well. Kid "makes his bed," whines about sleeping in it. Being able to hold kids accountable in situations like this is really one of the blessings of the program I am in. Ive read several articles recently about programs being controlled by powerful helicopter parents within the program, any and all authority and accountability (really the key concept here) being stripped from the coaches. |
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Post by **** on Oct 12, 2016 8:09:46 GMT -6
Or the other side of THAT is the 3rd string "insert filler position here" that's parents want your head because the can't figure out why their talent AND discipline deficient kid isn't seeing the field. THIS ^^^ will drive me into coaching college ball. |
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Post by joelee on Oct 12, 2016 9:16:24 GMT -6
We call them biscuit eaters. They just want to be on the team, have a sweatshirt, and get a biscuit at Saturday morning film.
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Post by fantom on Oct 12, 2016 9:22:29 GMT -6
Or the other side of THAT is the 3rd string "insert filler position here" that's parents want your head because the can't figure out why their talent AND discipline deficient kid isn't seeing the field. THIS ^^^ will drive me into coaching college ball. College kids have parents, too. I imagine that at a D.3 school where Daddy is springing for $40 K a year you might find some who can be a PITA. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 12, 2016 9:24:07 GMT -6
We've got a kid right now that has skipped the last two Weds for military "PT". Let's overlook the fact that he never went to a single "PT" in the entire summer for now. What is annoying is that he just decided to do this the week we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. THEN, whines when I don't play him on Friday night. My eye just started twitching... At least it sounds like you have control within your program, as we do as well. Kid "makes his bed," whines about sleeping in it. Being able to hold kids accountable in situations like this is really one of the blessings of the program I am in. Ive read several articles recently about programs being controlled by powerful helicopter parents within the program, any and all authority and accountability (really the key concept here) being stripped from the coaches. If I gave a {censored}, there probably is some sort of backlash with not playing the kid, but we're 1-6 and I'm probably done after this year, so {censored} em. |
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Post by **** on Oct 12, 2016 10:14:45 GMT -6
THIS ^^^ will drive me into coaching college ball. College kids have parents, too. I imagine that at a D.3 school where Daddy is springing for $40 K a year you might find some who can be a PITA. College kids parent I can tell to phuk off or get rid of the kid. |
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Post by murdr on Oct 12, 2016 10:17:56 GMT -6
I'm glad I was taught to take risks. Got moved up to varsity my freshman year due only to my size. Not my ability at all. Hadn't played in years, and was terrible and weak.
Got my ass handed to me, but worked my butt off in the weight room (JV didn't lift). Helped me become stronger and faster, and I started the next 3 years, and went on to be one of the only guys on my team to play in college. I still sucked, but at least I played beyond HS because I didn't just quit when moved up.
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Post by somecoach on Oct 12, 2016 11:07:26 GMT -6
Or the other side of THAT is the 3rd string "insert filler position here" that's parents want your head because the can't figure out why their talent AND discipline deficient kid isn't seeing the field. THIS ^^^ will drive me into coaching college ball. Or drive me onto wallstreet lol |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 12, 2016 11:14:57 GMT -6
College kids have parents, too. I imagine that at a D.3 school where Daddy is springing for $40 K a year you might find some who can be a PITA. College kids parent I can tell to phuk off or get rid of the kid. Maybe if you're Nick Saban. But I would imagine your typical D2-D3-NAIA school needs the $40K a year, and if your HC is getting paid to be full-time coach at said D2, D3, NAIA based on enrollment of football players at the school... it'll feel an awful lot like coaching HS ball. Not a ton of coaches under the FBS/FCS level are full-time just fb guys. The program has to be pretty damn good. NAIA's and D3's often fill the staff with guys teaching a half day of jr high and getting $10K to coach college. Just check the scoop. |
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Post by barlow on Oct 20, 2016 15:58:09 GMT -6
So I have a 3rd string CB. Shows up every day, plays on kickoff and while not particularly good, is not a complete liability on the field. This kid had perfect attendance all summer and never misses practices. So last week our 2nd string CB was ineligible and then our first string stayed home from school and missed practice on Wednesday. I tell the kid to go in at Corner and that he is starting on Friday. The next day is walk through and the kid comes to school but misses practice. Tells us he had a surprise Dr. Appointment. It had no impact on our team as I then jut moved our best WR over to the defensive side for a quarter. I wanted to reward the kid for all the work he had put in. Oh well. Just going from what a college coach talked about in an interview.
Some kids you can let know the week of that they will be starting. Some kid you let know the morning of.
Some kids you let know the moment they need to go out there.
It sounds like you know the kid well enough, I keep this in mind when I plan for making depth chart changes.
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Post by tothehouse on Oct 20, 2016 16:07:02 GMT -6
We had (past tense) a kicker...that all he did was kick. We have a week off from school this week. Misses Monday practice. Misses Tuesday practice. Misses Wednesday practice...and posts online about his "awesome day of golf".
Proof...don't just have a kicker...that only kicks. Because when this guy was here...there were still 5 other kids on the team better than him. #wasteoftime
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Post by fantom on Oct 20, 2016 18:22:30 GMT -6
We had (past tense) a kicker...that all he did was kick. We have a week off from school this week. Misses Monday practice. Misses Tuesday practice. Misses Wednesday practice...and posts online about his "awesome day of golf". Proof...don't just have a kicker...that only kicks. Because when this guy was here...there were still 5 other kids on the team better than him. #wasteoftime Couldn't disagree more. You just had an undependable kid. We've had kickers who just kicked for over 20 years nd haven't had serious problems. |
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Post by jlenwood on Oct 20, 2016 18:50:06 GMT -6
“A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing”
George Bernard Shaw
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Post by tothehouse on Oct 20, 2016 21:42:37 GMT -6
fantom...we've had success with kicker only kids as well. I meant...with this particular situation. Didn't mean "in general".
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Post by wolfden12 on Oct 27, 2016 9:05:12 GMT -6
Some kids I feel need the program for relationships and wanting to belonging to something. Playing time is the least of the priorities. Want to be under the lights and help during the week, but are resistant to take the next step in order to play.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 0:27:07 GMT -6
We've got a kid (JV) that doesn't show up Monday through Wednesday, shows up for walkthrough on Thursday and then misses film on Saturday. Today when I asked why he's been missing practice he said, "I've just been busy." When I told him he's not going to the game tomorrow (a 2 hour drive away) he lost his marbles, had a good old-fashioned temper tantrum like a 3 year old. Turns out he just likes leaving school early, getting lunch with the team and riding the bus. He couldn't care less if he plays or not, said he doesn't even need to dress. Incredible.
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Post by wiscohscoach on Oct 28, 2016 8:14:58 GMT -6
People need to realize that this is HS football. There's kids that will go play college football, there's kids that will be great HS players, and there are kids that just want to be around the guys/have something to be a part of. Expecting every single kid to want to play every single down is just not ever going to happen. Would we all like that as coaches? Sure. But to think that this is true will keep the average man up all night dreaming.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 28, 2016 9:06:15 GMT -6
As my HC is constantly reminding me, we need bag holders at practice! Kids who just want to be a part of something are great bag holders. Much like a scrotum, those kids form a very important role, while at the same time aren't much to look at, and the only time you really notice them are when they get in the way.
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Post by **** on Oct 28, 2016 9:11:15 GMT -6
As my HC is constantly reminding me, we need bag holders at practice! Kids who just want to be a part of something are great bag holders. Much like a scrotum, those kids form a very important role, while at the same time aren't much to look at, and the only time you really notice them are when they get in the way. I will use this in the future |
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Post by blb on Oct 28, 2016 9:14:49 GMT -6
As my HC is constantly reminding me, we need bag holders at practice! Kids who just want to be a part of something are great bag holders. Much like a scrotum, those kids form a very important role, while at the same time aren't much to look at, and the only time you really notice them are when they get in the way.
"Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too."
-- Judge Smails
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 28, 2016 9:15:50 GMT -6
As my HC is constantly reminding me, we need bag holders at practice! Kids who just want to be a part of something are great bag holders. Much like a scrotum, those kids form a very important role, while at the same time aren't much to look at, and the only time you really notice them are when they get in the way. I will use this in the future Just came up with that one on my own. I'm pretty proud of it. I'm gonna try and work it in to practice monday... |
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Post by jrk5150 on Oct 28, 2016 10:44:21 GMT -6
My only caution in all of this is to be careful you don't "label" a kid in your own mind as some variant of "doesn't want to play" until you rule out a lack of confidence/fear of failure. The resulting behaviors can look much the same, but that could be very "fixable", and to your benefit if the kid has some ability.
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