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Post by fantom on Sept 25, 2016 20:35:11 GMT -6
During the Stanford game last night I heard Coach Shaw say something really smart, "Pressure is imagined. It's not a real thing". Wow, what a smart way to look at it.
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Post by funkfriss on Sept 26, 2016 11:21:15 GMT -6
During the Stanford game last night I heard Coach Shaw say something really smart, "Pressure is imagined. It's not a real thing". Wow, what a smart way to look at it. I've said the same thing about pain for years. It's all just brain signals which can be controlled. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 26, 2016 16:27:08 GMT -6
During the Stanford game last night I heard Coach Shaw say something really smart, "Pressure is imagined. It's not a real thing". Wow, what a smart way to look at it. In what context does he say this? |
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Post by rudyrude9 on Sept 27, 2016 6:50:33 GMT -6
I think David Shaw is making things up here. I'm absolutely sure we have all felt pressure. Pretending it doesn't exist in my opinion is not a smart way to look at it.
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Post by fantom on Sept 27, 2016 10:04:02 GMT -6
During the Stanford game last night I heard Coach Shaw say something really smart, "Pressure is imagined. It's not a real thing". Wow, what a smart way to look at it. In what context does he say this? Don't remember. I Think it was an interview. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 27, 2016 10:06:13 GMT -6
I think David Shaw is making things up here. I'm absolutely sure we have all felt pressure. Pretending it doesn't exist in my opinion is not a smart way to look at it. You're taking his quote literally. Pressure/stressors exist but it's how we manage them that's important. If you ignore pressure and move on, then it's essentially "imagined". |
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Post by fantom on Sept 27, 2016 11:22:31 GMT -6
Pressure is a form of fear, a reaction to something that you imagine may happen. The feelings are real but the outcome that you fear does not have to happen. To succeed in such a situation you have to learn to control those feelings. Athletes who do that can thrive in those situations, high stakes games against quality opponents. Those who cannot choke in big situations or games. Either they learn through experience to control those feelings or they'll be better served finding a different line of work.
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Post by pvogel on Sept 27, 2016 11:39:15 GMT -6
Exactly. I love it. Sums up so much of my mentality.
I also believe momentum is for the weak.
If you focus on one play at a time and controlling whats in your hands at the moment then it simply doesn't exist or matter.
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Post by fantom on Sept 27, 2016 11:44:20 GMT -6
Controlling fear:
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Post by rosey65 on Sept 27, 2016 12:15:24 GMT -6
Thats the best quote ive heard in a long time. I've said similar things to my OL, but never been able to put it that simply. rudyrude9 Here is an example of what I think he's trying to illustrate: on offensive/defensive days, we alternate which side goes 1st for team, and who does scout. 1 day offense would go first, and the other day defense would. I had a group of OL who then always made the excuse of "im tired, couldnt focus" when they made a mistake. Ever since then, we have always done team D first, and team O second. I want the OL to be hot, tired and pissed off, THEN have to focus and concentrate to run our plays. This year especially it has really paid off. I have a very young group, who's mental focus from play to play was sketchy at best. I drill this reasoning into their head every day, explaining why they need to focus, and that we are intentionally working them into the ground before team. Last friday, we are down 10-9 midway thru the 3rd. We took a timeout, I made my guys turn around and look at the other team, sitting on the field, bent over, gassed. "See! THIS is why we do team last. Are you as tired as they are?" I could see them mentally pick up, stand up taller, start to smile, and even breathe easier. They knoew they could not just hold their own, but really begin to make plays. We put up 22 unanswered in the last 15 minutes of the game. |
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Post by natenator on Sept 27, 2016 13:26:07 GMT -6
. If you ignore pressure and move on, then it's essentially "imagined". Tell that to my QB lol |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 27, 2016 13:37:43 GMT -6
. If you ignore pressure and move on, then it's essentially "imagined". Tell that to my QB lol Sounds like it'd be better to explain it to your OL. LOL |
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Post by rudyrude9 on Sept 28, 2016 6:56:19 GMT -6
Still calling BS. Pressure does exist and Shaw is acknowledging it existence with the quote. Being able to handle and overcome pressure is a skill worth coaching.
Some kids do it naturally others need to be taught a mindset to help them succed in pressure situations. I know we will put kids in pressure situations in practice on purpose to help them be better prepared for pressure on gameday. |
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Post by funkfriss on Sept 28, 2016 8:43:25 GMT -6
Is pain real? Is fear real? Is love real?
Technically these are not real things. These are not things that are sensed by all of those around us. They are imagined, created and experienced in our own individual brains, thus can be controlled by each individual. That's what Shaw is trying to get across, pressure doesn't HAVE to be there. The things that cause us to experience pressure (sport, close scores, fans, teammates, etc.) are all real and we can't change that, but we can control whether we experience pressure or not.
Another great example is the cold. I always yell at players, "There's no such thing as cold!" Is that true? No, cold is the absence of heat and is very real and experienced by everything around it. However, the FEELING of cold is not real and is imagined/created by the brain and can be controlled by us because ultimately we are in control of our brains. There are various ways in which you can control/trick your brain into thinking it is not cold and your FEELING of cold goes away. Same with pressure.
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Post by rudyrude9 on Sept 28, 2016 11:44:17 GMT -6
Is pain real? Is fear real? Is love real? Yes, yes and yes.
C'mon
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Post by wiscohscoach on Sept 28, 2016 12:50:24 GMT -6
Is pain real? Is fear real? Is love real? Is this post even real? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 28, 2016 18:09:26 GMT -6
Still calling BS. Pressure does exist and Shaw is acknowledging it existence with the quote. Being able to handle and overcome pressure is a skill worth coaching.
Some kids do it naturally others need to be taught a mindset to help them succed in pressure situations. I know we will put kids in pressure situations in practice on purpose to help them be better prepared for pressure on gameday. I think in this is the context in which Shaw is discussing "pressure" : Example. Foul shots. 2 are taken in an empty gym after practice. 2 are taken in game 7 of the NBA championship series when you are down by 1. The ACT is exactly the same correct? The "pressure" is a human construct because humans have put more importance in making the 2nd set as opposed to the first set, but that doesn't change the physical act. |
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Post by CS on Sept 28, 2016 18:24:05 GMT -6
Is pain real? Is fear real? Is love real? Technically these are not real things. These are not things that are sensed by all of those around us. They are imagined, created and experienced in our own individual brains, thus can be controlled by each individual. That's what Shaw is trying to get across, pressure doesn't HAVE to be there. The things that cause us to experience pressure (sport, close scores, fans, teammates, etc.) are all real and we can't change that, but we can control whether we experience pressure or not. Another great example is the cold. I always yell at players, "There's no such thing as cold!" Is that true? No, cold is the absence of heat and is very real and experienced by everything around it. However, the FEELING of cold is not real and is imagined/created by the brain and can be controlled by us because ultimately we are in control of our brains. There are various ways in which you can control/trick your brain into thinking it is not cold and your FEELING of cold goes away. Same with pressure. This is dumb. Not being closed minded but this post sounds like something my good for nothing stoner of a roommate in college would say. peace be with you amigo. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 28, 2016 19:35:29 GMT -6
Still calling BS. Pressure does exist and Shaw is acknowledging it existence with the quote. Being able to handle and overcome pressure is a skill worth coaching.
Some kids do it naturally others need to be taught a mindset to help them succed in pressure situations. I know we will put kids in pressure situations in practice on purpose to help them be better prepared for pressure on gameday. I think in this is the context in which Shaw is discussing "pressure" : Example. Foul shots. 2 are taken in an empty gym after practice. 2 are taken in game 7 of the NBA championship series when you are down by 1. The ACT is exactly the same correct? The "pressure" is a human construct because humans have put more importance in making the 2nd set as opposed to the first set, but that doesn't change the physical act. Exactamundo. |
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Post by georgefred86 on Oct 2, 2016 21:40:20 GMT -6
David Shaw comes off in every interview as a smug professor with all the answers ... except versus Washington the other night. It's a good thing pressure doesn't exist in his world otherwise he might be feeling it after that performance Friday night in Seattle.
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Post by fantom on Oct 2, 2016 22:02:58 GMT -6
David Shaw comes off in every interview as a smug professor with all the answers ... except versus Washington the other night. It's a good thing pressure doesn't exist in his world otherwise he might be feeling it after that performance Friday night in Seattle. Washington fan? |
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 3, 2016 11:14:32 GMT -6
well to its like dealing with kids..EVERY teenager has a problem..you might not think its a problem and you would wish for those problems but none the less it is still a problem to them..we need to recognize this and not brush these things off..
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Post by georgefred86 on Oct 4, 2016 11:00:24 GMT -6
David Shaw comes off in every interview as a smug professor with all the answers ... except versus Washington the other night. It's a good thing pressure doesn't exist in his world otherwise he might be feeling it after that performance Friday night in Seattle. Washington fan? Wisconsin fan actually ... and I do enjoy the physicality and the type of ball Stanford plays ... just could do without Shaw's BS. |
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 4, 2016 12:52:40 GMT -6
Regardless of Shaw's personality, I dont think this quote is about ignoring the problems of teenagers, or telling kids to sack up and get over it, or just to "do what I tell you to do!"...or maybe this is just my optimistic interpretation of the coach.
I'm taking it as that scene from Hoosiers, when Hackman, upon arriving with his mesmerized small-town team at the huge arena, has the kids measure the rim height and foul line distance...Its one of my favorite sports movie scenes, and fairly subtle, yet very appropriate: or this one...Love Of The Game. dumb movie, but an easier illustration:
Pressure our kids feel in a game is real, and can be debilitating if we or they allow it. We all know it, the "early game jitters," or "he'll settle down after the 1st series." Thats pressure, and that's how I'm taking his line. However, if we fight the pressure, acknowledge it for what it is, and work past it, is a way of helping our kids be successful, regardless of the stage they are on. Sure, playing for Stanford, or any Power 5 school, is different than where most of us play every Friday night, but the kids can still feel the pressure. Shoot, we have a win-or-die conference game friday against a UF-committ NT, and my OL, especially my 5'9" 220lb G, is freaking out about him. THAT is the pressure he's talking about, and THAT is the pressure we can work to overcome.
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Post by pvogel on Oct 6, 2016 6:19:58 GMT -6
Ya one of my HS coaches would ask before the first game if anyone was nervous. He would then say that its good to be nervous and that it was built up energy just waiting to be released. Not sure if its scientifically true. But you can be dang sure that I believed it lol.
I use that one all the time though. Huge on sports psych and managing the mental aspect of it.
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 6, 2016 10:21:31 GMT -6
Ya one of my HS coaches would ask before the first game if anyone was nervous. He would then say that its good to be nervous and that it was built up energy just waiting to be released. Not sure if its scientifically true. But you can be dang sure that I believed it lol. I use that one all the time though. Huge on sports psych and managing the mental aspect of it. Consider it stolen. |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 6, 2016 11:20:33 GMT -6
I say embrace the pressure instead of saying that it isn't there. But I think Coach Shaw's quote is fine. In a round about way, he is acknowledging that there is pressure, but it is self-imposed. If it comes from within us, than we can control it. Anyways, that is how I take the quote.
I probably can't articulate my position on this, but I think you tell your kids to jump into it. You might fail, but dangit, give what you got. Don't back away.
One minor example. We work hands team every Thursday. I tell those guys to get the onside kick. The only way you don't go for it is if you know absolutely for sure that it isn't going 10 yards. Get the ball! If you miss it, then we just go play defense! But don't back down.
In other words, it is ok to fail, but not ok to not jump in!
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