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Post by ggdetours on Sept 21, 2016 18:30:29 GMT -6
Hello,
Coaching in Europe at a level weaker than you US coachs, our youngs still enjoying this beautifull game.
We manage and know now how to choose position for most of the kids but my question from your experience is about two position choices:
1) How do you exactly decide that a tall kid will play OFFENSIVE or DEFENSIVE lineman? (plus the fact that all tall kids wanna play defense)
2) How do you exactly decide that a small and fast kid will play WIDE RECEIVER or DEFENSIVE BACK? (plus the fact that all fast kids wanna play offense)
TY in advance!
GG
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Post by fballcoachg on Sept 21, 2016 18:55:29 GMT -6
Quicker kids play DLine...also helps to have a certain aggression on that side
If they can catch (and you can through it to them) play them at wr
Quick question, why not teach all kids both sides? Most HSs in the US do that
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Post by ggdetours on Sept 21, 2016 19:07:56 GMT -6
TY for this fast answer.
Both side? Well we thought it was already difficult to teach them the basic reflex in one side ...
More speed in DL than OL? OK TY Very interesting! Honestly we were doing mostly the opposite and by position (ooops) like from the faster tall kids to the slowers:
Fasters to slowers = DE / OG / OT / C / DT ... ! But once again we are new in this game and are ready to keep on learning!
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Post by carookie on Sept 21, 2016 21:53:25 GMT -6
I think there may be something lost in translation when you write "tall" do you strictly mean height or do you mean weight? If you have a tall (height) kid who is also fast WR may be the best spot for him (based solely on the limited info we have).
Also, what age range are you working with?
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Post by coachfloyd on Sept 22, 2016 4:12:48 GMT -6
My rule is if they can't do high knee Carioca then they get to come with me(the oline coach).
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Post by ggdetours on Sept 22, 2016 4:23:31 GMT -6
I think there may be something lost in translation when you write "tall" do you strictly mean height or do you mean weight? If you have a tall (height) kid who is also fast WR may be the best spot for him (based solely on the limited info we have). Also, what age range are you working with? Hello! Sorry for my english: By "Tall" I mean Big & Tall = Linemen size About their Age: Remember that here it's not our main sport so some guys are arriving in American Football (from Rugby or other) quite late in age! Here are our divisions for playing: U16 (14-15) "Cadets" (with some 13 if special doctor agreement & physical capacities) U19 (16-17-18) "Juniors" 19 and over "Seniors" So I was speaking about the U16 and U19 (some guys coming late as I told you) |
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Post by ggdetours on Sept 22, 2016 5:13:32 GMT -6
PS: To be said, the big guys here are coming from Rugby or other sports where they used to have the ball more often than the little guys and where they used to be heroes for the public ... So when they discover that in OFFENSIVE LINE they will never get the ball, never been spotted when touchdown because the public (even their parents) only watch the heroe ball carriers and that they are only gonna be spotted when they fail a block ... !!! ... They all fight to play DEFENSIVE LINE (to be spotted tackling or sacking) or they LEAVE THE GAME! ... Very hard to manage here!
PS2: It's not only "being spotted" because coming from Rugby they know what is sacrifice and team spirit and generosity but its this feeling and remaks we get at the end of the season from new offensive linemen: "BORING!"
So we work hard to teach them that they can do what is FORBIDDEN in all the other sports in the world: THE OBSTRUCTION (the block) and that because this is the soul of American Football, they are the only one on the field really playing this beautifull game! ... The RB and LB only playing a kind of rugby and the the QB, WR and DB playing a sissy Basketball ... ! LOL
We also teach them what we call here the "TOURIST HUNTING" (blocking a guy from a blind angle) to make them discover some great and new pleasure only American Footbal can give you ... lol ... etc!
So any more information about how to classify the kids between OL & DL and any more ideas to motivate the OL (because to only place here the slower big guys won't be very exciting for them) ---> are welcome!
TY & respect coachs!
GG
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Post by jasper912 on Sept 22, 2016 21:33:24 GMT -6
Smarter guys should play OL. A lot more to remember on that side of the ball.
If the OL are bored then possibly run the ball more? OL love to run block and be aggressive.
The small/fast guys who can't catch go play defense. If they can catch look at them for offense.
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Post by **** on Sept 23, 2016 6:28:14 GMT -6
Is he fast? will he tackle?
If the answers are yes and yes... he will play defense.
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Post by 53 on Sept 23, 2016 6:34:29 GMT -6
I'd simplify your systems so you can have more players playing both ways, and not force a two platoon just because that's what you see on TV. I think this would help a lot with the players finding it boring and quitting too.
A lot of high schools that shouldn't be platoon will do it just because that's what college and NFL teams do. Your studs have to be on the field, and generally no amount of reps is going to make up the genetic difference.
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Post by jasper912 on Sept 23, 2016 6:42:57 GMT -6
I'd simplify your systems so you can have more players playing both ways, and not force a two platoon just because that's what you see on TV. I think this would help a lot with the players finding it boring and quitting too. A lot of high schools that shouldn't be platoon will do it just because that's what college and NFL teams do. Your studs have to be on the field, and generally no amount of reps is going to make up the genetic difference. Amen to this. Not only that, when forced to choose, our best players play defense. We can hide kids on offense, but you can't dictate where the other team attacks your defense. |
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Post by ggdetours on Sept 24, 2016 14:28:42 GMT -6
TY for those answers!
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Post by freezeoption on Sept 24, 2016 14:43:07 GMT -6
it depends on what you run offense and defense but what I look for, to me for o line, I look for kids that can move and like to be nasty, they got to like to level somebody every play, they must get their enjoyment from trying to level someone every play, so I don't care if their big, I don't want slow guys, I want someone physical, if your d line job is to plug gaps and keep blockers off lbers then you can get slower bigger guys there if they stay low and not get driven back, if your shooting gaps then you want quick kids there, if your kid can catch a ball, get off a jam and run a route then he is a wr, I have never been big on certain body types, I've had my 130 lb wrestler play center and nose guard, he loved contact, had a nasty streak,
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Post by tommyfootball on Sept 24, 2016 14:48:00 GMT -6
I coach in the lowest division in France. All of our players work both an offensive and defensive position dependent upon their skill set and our needs for the position. I choose which positions they'll play, but I listen to their opinions on the matter.
As far as explaining O-Line to our French players, I always stress that even though it's not the "glory" position, it's the most important because it makes everything else "go" on offense. I also go out of my way to encourage and congratulate O-Linemen in practices and games and to do it in front of their teammates, so the guy who scores the TD or whatever and the rest of the team knows who made it look easy.
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Post by ggdetours on Sept 24, 2016 19:00:54 GMT -6
it depends on what you run offense and defense but what I look for, to me for o line, I look for kids that can move and like to be nasty, they got to like to level somebody every play, they must get their enjoyment from trying to level someone every play, so I don't care if their big, I don't want slow guys, I want someone physical, if your d line job is to plug gaps and keep blockers off lbers then you can get slower bigger guys there if they stay low and not get driven back, if your shooting gaps then you want quick kids there, if your kid can catch a ball, get off a jam and run a route then he is a wr, I have never been big on certain body types, I've had my 130 lb wrestler play center and nose guard, he loved contact, had a nasty streak, Very interesting opinion going to NASTY and FAST offensive linemen! This I understand better! So many told me to put the most nasty and fast big guys in DEFENSE ... ?!? ... That's the point of my original question! Tommy: TY for the witness! Et bonjour à Epinal! |
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Post by tommyfootball on Sept 24, 2016 23:21:31 GMT -6
Very interesting opinion going to NASTY and FAST offensive linemen! This I understand better! So many told me to put the most nasty and fast big guys in DEFENSE ... ?!? ... That's the point of my original question! Tommy: TY for the witness! Et bonjour à Epinal! It all depends on what you want your guys to do, like freezeoption was saying. We trap and pull on offense, so we put our smaller guys who can play O-Line at Guard, and the bigger, slower guys at Center and Tackle. On defense, we slant a lot, so we need the nastier, faster guys at D-Line and Linebacker as well--and the slower guys won't play that much on defense at all. |
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Post by ggdetours on Sept 28, 2016 6:30:55 GMT -6
TY Tonny I agree & know for the different characteristics on position but still donno how the american coaches decide to put a Big Kid (or student) in OL or DL sooner or later because it may decide their FULL CAREER for the best of them ... ?
OK with the different answers (sometime opposite) I start to have few informations:
OL = long arms + clever + disciplined ... But nasty & fast feet here or DL? (opposite opinions)
DL = strong legs + strong character ... but nasty & fast feet here or OL? (opposite opinions)
TY
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Post by agame on Sept 28, 2016 6:57:23 GMT -6
To the op, as a European coach dealing with the same issues you do.. best piece of advice ..... you have to have a ol....
It's the 1 thing that most struggle with and u need to find the right guys to fit, if there 16-19 then they don't need to be technically big guys like senior line usually are, being fundamentally sound is a huge equaliser
Usually once the bigger guys spend a few sessions at oline they love it... the trench fighting is game within a game and I know many players who love oline..
as for rugby guys... u don't get many that play oline, they usually all end up on d or at rb... lol
Recruiting your lineman from rookie days and what not is where you get the source from
Teams here build oline for years, u usually start with a lump and really have to mould him.. that's why I have so much respect for our oline coaches in the uk.. toughest gig in football.. without an oline your dead ducks
As for skill positions.. usually it comes down to I wanna hit people and I want to catch footballs... this sorts itself out very quickly!
Good luck to u sir! Hope all goes well!
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