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Post by nltdiego on Sept 20, 2016 3:44:08 GMT -6
We are now onto our 7th concussion for the season. How many have you guys seen. Is this the new norm in football?
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Post by **** on Sept 20, 2016 5:25:52 GMT -6
We've averaged 1 each year I've been at my current school.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 20, 2016 5:50:58 GMT -6
Keep mind what you see on your team/teams you play is a minuscule sampling of the game of football. Every year a thread like this comes up with the knee/shoulder/concussion/etc.... injury. I could say the same thing about kids getting carted on a back board; we've seen 3 players in games this year so far.
Now the question is a good one in terms that you are evaluating what is happening and trying to find a root cause.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Sept 20, 2016 6:22:36 GMT -6
We've had 2 diagnosed this year that have been considered to be "career ending" concussions. Both players had sustained multiple concussions from wrestling and car accidents before this, so this was their 3rd and doc said no more. Two of our better players too. Really hurt us. I haven't seen or had hardly any in the couple years prior.
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Post by funkfriss on Sept 20, 2016 7:08:04 GMT -6
Keep mind what you see on your team/teams you play is a minuscule sampling of the game of football. Every year a thread like this comes up with the knee/shoulder/concussion/etc.... injury. I could say the same thing about kids getting carted on a back board; we've seen 3 players in games this year so far. Now the question is a good one in terms that you are evaluating what is happening and trying to find a root cause. This I would've posted something on here a few years ago when we had 10 or so 9-12. Last 2 years we've only had a couple. Something in the water this year... |
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Post by poundtherock1 on Sept 20, 2016 7:11:56 GMT -6
We have had 3. Suspicious about two of them. They were never in a game or a contact situation and were really happy being a manager for 21 days since they went to see a family practitioner.
Side note: Never let your players go see a family practitioner.
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Post by **** on Sept 20, 2016 7:33:37 GMT -6
Might want to start doing more 4 way neck and banded good mornings.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 20, 2016 8:08:48 GMT -6
Might want to start doing more 4 way neck and banded good mornings. I get the 4 way neck, but what's the rationale on banded good mornings? Hamstring exercise right? or do you work the neck at the same time by putting the band behind the head? |
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Post by newt21 on Sept 20, 2016 9:12:52 GMT -6
We just got our third last week, it varies team to team really. At this school cheerleading leads all athletics in concussions, followed closely by soccer.
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Post by olinedude on Sept 20, 2016 9:32:01 GMT -6
We are at 0, knock on wood, for the season. Last concussion we had was a kid get one in basketball in the spring.
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Post by vanden48 on Sept 20, 2016 9:34:09 GMT -6
Last year I had five in 9th-12th grade. 4 of the 5 where to players that wore our old Schutt helmets, the XP. The other one was to a kid that is 6'5" and got a helmet under his chin, he wore a Xenith. I had no concussions in 7-8 grade, and they were all in Xenith helmets. In the off-season I looked into this problem to try and limit it. I upgraded our helmet stock. This year I only have a few players 9-12 in the old XP helmets. I have nearly all my players in Xenith X2E or Epics, and about 6 in the Riddell Speed Flex. I also purchased the Shock Doctor mouth guards for every player. We got 6 of those tackling rings and are limiting player to player tackling in practice.
Zero concussions at either level through 5 games. We had one player go to the hospital for a stinger. He is walking around with a sling now.
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Post by fantom on Sept 20, 2016 9:42:32 GMT -6
We are now onto our 7th concussion for the season. How many have you guys seen. Is this the new norm in football? Until this year we've only had one or two a year but we have three out right now, all linemen. I think that our youth is part of the problem. One of the concussions is definitely legit (Veteran player who still had light sensitivity eight days after the injury) but the other two are sophs. I'm not sure that they,and/or their moms, understand that it's normal to have a headache after a game. We understand that you have to be conservative and nobody's pressuring anybody but it is frustrating. |
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Post by **** on Sept 20, 2016 9:44:10 GMT -6
Might want to start doing more 4 way neck and banded good mornings. I get the 4 way neck, but what's the rationale on banded good mornings? Hamstring exercise right? or do you work the neck at the same time by putting the band behind the head? Same time. It's just like pushing up on 4 way neck when given resistance down. Banded good mornings are a great exercise to prevent knee and neck injury. |
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Post by newt21 on Sept 20, 2016 9:52:51 GMT -6
We are now onto our 7th concussion for the season. How many have you guys seen. Is this the new norm in football? Until this year we've only had one or two a year but we have three out right now, all linemen. I think that our youth is part of the problem. One of the concussions is definitely legit (Veteran player who still had light sensitivity eight days after the injury) but the other two are sophs. I'm not sure that they,and/or their moms, understand that it's normal to have a headache after a game. We understand that you have to be conservative and nobody's pressuring anybody but it is frustrating. We had kids saying they had concussions on day 1 in helmets/mouth pieces and I had to explain to them that not being used to a helmet or mouth piece causes headaches. |
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Post by 60zgo on Sept 21, 2016 9:19:20 GMT -6
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Post by gibbs72 on Sept 21, 2016 9:53:51 GMT -6
A couple. We honestly just embrace the "next guy up" mentality and that's helped a lot from our kids that liked to throw the "concussion" word around because they didn't feel like practicing. We just have the concussion kids off to the side, wish them well as they heal, and turn full attention to the next kid in. The legit concussion kids will do whatever the trainer/ doctor tell them because they want to be back. The "borderline" concussion kids have started to realize that they will be bypassed because we do a good job of not "oh jeez that's too bad" all the time.
Sounds kinda mean/ old-school, but it's really helped our concussions to be limited to our legit cases.
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Post by agap on Sept 21, 2016 10:25:34 GMT -6
The volleyball team has had more concussions than our football team so far this year.
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Post by gibbs72 on Sept 21, 2016 12:02:11 GMT -6
WOW! When Cross Country starts getting to the top of the list, I'll know we've hit one of the Biblical signs of Armageddon
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Post by jaydub66 on Sept 21, 2016 14:52:43 GMT -6
100 something kids, 2 since the start of camp. We teach Hawk/Rugby tackling and we don't tackle to the ground when we go team. One concussion was in game where a kid was cheap shotted as he was going to the ground. The other concussion happened when a kid went for a fumble or something and someone hit him on the side of the helmet
Like 90% of concussions happen to the side or back of the helmet. We do a really good job of teaching the kids to avoid that kind of contact.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 21, 2016 15:04:43 GMT -6
Knock on wood, 0 so far.
We teach Hawk tackling, and do turnover, tackling and blocking fundamentals every week. We go to the ground only on defense day's team period.
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Post by hsrose on Sept 21, 2016 15:40:49 GMT -6
We've had 2, 64 players total, over 3 games, at JV and varsity levels. One was Frosh kid got run over in practice and hit the back of his head on the ground. 2nd we just found out about Monday when the coach on staff, an assistant principal, talked with a JV kid that missed all week because he was sick. Symptoms checked with a concussion. Was supposed to get medical confirmation today but the kid wasn't at school. Mom doesn't have a good relationship with the boy and his brother so they miss a lot of school. Kid got hit by one of our guys in game 2 but didn't think it was concussion, never had one so he just thought that's how things were supposed to be. No sideline symptoms so none of us caught it, neither did the sideline trainer.
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Post by ctw6808 on Sept 22, 2016 11:15:41 GMT -6
We have had 3. Suspicious about two of them. They were never in a game or a contact situation and were really happy being a manager for 21 days since they went to see a family practitioner. Side note: Never let your players go see a family practitioner. I really don't think kids make up concussions, it's easy to think they are fake because it's not a visible thing. What do you mean they seemed happy?? Like they weren't telling you they were mad about not being able to play. If a kid gets knocked in the head and has symptoms he probably has one. If the kid can tell you are suspicious that's kind of messed up to be honest. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Sept 22, 2016 11:28:43 GMT -6
45 or so players 9-12 and we have had three. The thing that strikes me as weird is that a couple of these guys didn't go to the doctor until the Monday--and in one case the Tuesday after--the Friday game and that's when they got diagnosed with a concussion. I don't know the medical science behind that, but it doesn't fit any protocol I've seen or heard of before.
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Post by fantom on Sept 22, 2016 11:48:22 GMT -6
We have had 3. Suspicious about two of them. They were never in a game or a contact situation and were really happy being a manager for 21 days since they went to see a family practitioner. Side note: Never let your players go see a family practitioner. I really don't think kids make up concussions, it's easy to think they are fake because it's not a visible thing. What do you mean they seemed happy?? Like they weren't telling you they were mad about not being able to play. If a kid gets knocked in the head and has symptoms he probably has one. If the kid can tell you are suspicious that's kind of messed up to be honest. I don't think that kids fake them either, at least none that I've seen. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 22, 2016 12:05:19 GMT -6
The ImpACT testing this state uses has actually reduced the number of concussions that are being diagnosed. And, the governing body in this state is extremely strict when it comes to concussions.
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Post by fantom on Sept 22, 2016 22:16:16 GMT -6
I really don't think kids make up concussions, it's easy to think they are fake because it's not a visible thing. What do you mean they seemed happy?? Like they weren't telling you they were mad about not being able to play. If a kid gets knocked in the head and has symptoms he probably has one. If the kid can tell you are suspicious that's kind of messed up to be honest. I don't think that kids fake them either, at least none that I've seen. To elaborate: Of the three concussions that we've had two were of sophomores. I think that some of the young guys and their moms don't realize that football hurts but not everything that hurts is an injury. To them every time that they hit their head it's a concussion. The other day, a veteran lineman walked out of the huddle saying that he may have had had a concussion. The trainer was inside for a volleyball game so I told him that sometimes a headache is just a headache, to take his helmet off, sit out the rest of practice, then talk to the trainer after practice. By the end of practice he felt OK. He even did our conditioning even though we told him that he could sit out. He talked to the trainer, didn't have any symptoms, and was fine. To be clear, we didn't pressure him, and made sure that he saw the trainer, who is very good. If he'd told her that he'd had symptoms she would have put him in the protocol and that would have been that. A young guy might have gone right to the protocol. |
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Post by poundtherock1 on Sept 23, 2016 6:46:19 GMT -6
We have had 3. Suspicious about two of them. They were never in a game or a contact situation and were really happy being a manager for 21 days since they went to see a family practitioner. Side note: Never let your players go see a family practitioner. I really don't think kids make up concussions, it's easy to think they are fake because it's not a visible thing. What do you mean they seemed happy?? Like they weren't telling you they were mad about not being able to play. If a kid gets knocked in the head and has symptoms he probably has one. If the kid can tell you are suspicious that's kind of messed up to be honest. Because they didn't have symptoms, were never in a contact situation, and have been happily acting as a manager for 34 days now. The kid went to his family doctor with a cold, and came back with a concussion diagnosis and has put off going back to be cleared because he truly loves running water at practice and at games. My point was to not let your players go to a family doctor to get diagnosed. Do most kids fake concussions? Hell no. That's a serious freaking issue that I take more seriously than most. But, sometimes that's a way out for kids who don't have the gonads to to tell you they want to manage. |
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Post by mrjvi on Sept 23, 2016 8:36:27 GMT -6
1 on varsity last game. Guy tackled our back and did a suplex. Head hit off of the ground. 1 other in the total program.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 23, 2016 9:15:55 GMT -6
I really don't think kids make up concussions, it's easy to think they are fake because it's not a visible thing. What do you mean they seemed happy?? Like they weren't telling you they were mad about not being able to play. If a kid gets knocked in the head and has symptoms he probably has one. If the kid can tell you are suspicious that's kind of messed up to be honest. I don't think that kids fake them either, at least none that I've seen. I agree. Again, I think this stuff goes back to when we played what was considered a "concussion" and, based on current research, what is now considered a concussion. I had probably 4-5 "old-school" concussions over my playing years...i.e. don't remember chit, blackout etc. If I were to include all the times I felt the symptoms that we know of today I probably would have double/triple that number which is pretty scary IMO. |
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Post by 33coach on Sept 23, 2016 9:20:03 GMT -6
We are now onto our 7th concussion for the season. How many have you guys seen. Is this the new norm in football? we have had 0 |
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