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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 7, 2016 13:00:10 GMT -6
Do any of you guys breakdown an opponent a couple of weeks in advance? How about exchanging film with a future opponent a couple weeks in advance? I'm releatively young, but also old school in my values. Something about breaking down an opponent too soon just doesn't seem right to me. I'm trying to focus on the opponent in front of my face.
Also, I think exchanging too soon may also give my future opponent a bit of an advantage.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 7, 2016 13:09:53 GMT -6
If a team will go ahead and trade early, I'll start breaking them down on that Friday. There isn't anything I'm going to add/fix/etc... for that night's game.
If I get a film of a future opponent in a trade with another team, if I have time I'll start putting in the data.
I won't really try and 'break them down', but just get a jump on having the info in place.
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Post by **** on Sept 7, 2016 13:19:51 GMT -6
This is from a defensive perspective. If we're talking offense I could care less till that week.
This is week 4 for us... I already have film on teams I might potentially play week 10+. Get it from another team when you can.
For future opponents I at least break down everything in hudl a week out in advance. The team we play week 5 I will have all of their first 3 games completely tagged by this Friday. I'll trade with them that night, for their week 4 game and finish that last one over the weekend.
Our week 9, 10 + games I am breaking down most of those games far in advance because I either have a ton of film on them, or I don't know who I'm going to play in the playoffs so I am getting a head start on it.
If I can get film on somebody a round about what without going through that team I will always do that first. If there's no way I can get it early from somebody else I will trade with that team for their game. Most schools here have an unwritten rule of trading previous 2 games, most conferences have an official rule on it.
If I already have 5 of the teams 6 games they've played I'm not going to be a d!ck about it and only trade 1 for 1 or worse, not at all. I'll ask them what 2 games they want, I'll get the 1 game I want and a duplicate of something else. Not a big deal.
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Post by hsrose on Sept 7, 2016 13:25:48 GMT -6
Sometimes we get advance video of teams but that is not the norm, it's from playing a common opponent or something. Around here we get the last 2 games on Saturday morning usually. That makes it a crunch to get things broken down in addition to reviewing our video from the night before.
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Post by dytmook on Sept 7, 2016 13:49:23 GMT -6
We get film Thursday/Friday and will do basic stuff like odk, formation, and little things like that. If we see a team later in the year we may add their stuff in as we scout the current opponent also.
We will work smarter, but we aren't going to really study it.
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Post by bignose on Sept 7, 2016 14:31:01 GMT -6
Knowledge is power.
The more I see, the better I can prepare.
My league currently has every team put their film on Hudl.
In some ways it rewards teams that are unable to organize or plan a scouting program, but it is what it is…….
I am pretty old school, after 43 years of coaching, I can say that. My role these days is almost entirely video analysis.
i will email out a scouting report of the next opponent, immediately after our game on Friday night, in time for Saturday morning's meetings. I may have started a draft copy of this 2 weeks prior, and just update it as the new films roll in.
I do not use the computer to analyze data , I tend to do this by "feel."
The computer can also give so much data as to have paralysis by over analysis.
And the computer doesn't always tell you everything!
As an example: last year one of my opponents had a very strong formational and personnel tendency-if #80 and #11 lined up on the same side of the formation they would run 90% of their plays that way. This didn't show up in the computer print out, it was only apparent after watching several games.
I can get a down and distance, formation, hash mark, left / right, strong side weak side tendency for both offense and defense, and the more film I have, the better I can look for personnel weaknesses.
Personnel is the hardest part to scout as this changes almost weekly at some schools.
If it is a guy I have coached against in the past, I can pretty much reinforce what this guy's play calling tendencies have been in the past.
In 2010 as we prepared for a playoff run (we were overlooked and not supposed to qualify) I was able to obtain 7 previous game films of our opponent in the State Championship game, whom we had never seen before, including one against a team that ran the same offense that we did.
Did it help?
Well, we won the game.
Bottom line, it helps me get my kids to be able to beat his kids.
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Post by carookie on Sept 7, 2016 14:31:12 GMT -6
Yes, we will hopefully trade with an opponent 8 days before the game, so Wednesday/Thursday before we play a different opponent. This has nothing to do with looking ahead either, especially if you are efficient when you breakdown film. Hopefully, when you first go through an opponent's film you are not looking for keys or trying to game plan for them; hopefully you are just doing the GA grunt work of tagging it (ODK, D&D, yard line, hash, formation, play type, etc, etc, etc.) Even if you have this divided between a few of you it can take a while- but its not scouting or looking ahead, its just tedious data entry. And if we can get this done for a couple films on the Thursday a week ahead that makes me all the more efficient on Saturday when putting together our scouting report and game plan.
Moreover, by Wednesday night (2 days before a game) what more scouting do I need to do for an opponent. From my perspective, the hay is in the barn. Its a very rare occasion that a coach will learn something new about an opponent watching film the night before; you shouldve learned it already.
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 7, 2016 17:38:42 GMT -6
I break down opponents early. Especially once we get into league play because I get films on them sooner. For me I like it because I have 2 kids under the age of 2, 6 graduate credits, teach 2 preps (down from 4 in part years) and have a variety of other stuff going on. I break down teams and take notes when I can. Review them the week of, including any new film we may acquire.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 7, 2016 18:16:26 GMT -6
We are in a new region after expanding our class system so have some new teams to play this year. The guys who came in the region want to trade every game with everyone else in the region so we are doing that now. Personally I think that's nuts but whatever. I worry about that weeks opponent and that is it. Maybe take a peek at the next weeks opponent if I have a minute here or there but no kind of break down until the weekend. I like to take it week by week and not get to much rattling around in my head at once.
I will still only watch the last two games we have maybe possibly three (unless we have a film of our opponent vs a wing-t team then that's priority) and let that third game just run to see if they are doing anything drastically different. Too much film can be a determent, don't chase ghosts!
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Post by natenator on Sept 7, 2016 19:48:00 GMT -6
I breakdown video as I go along, esp after I've already done my charting and put together the game plan for the week. After that what else is there to do but practice?
After I've done my weekly prep work it's on players to do their so I will save myself a lot of time later on by being ahead of the curve before game week hits. Nothing worse than trying to breakdown 3-5 games in a cpl day period.
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Post by bignose on Sept 8, 2016 6:39:34 GMT -6
And the more film that you look at the more possibility of finding "tells."
Two examples:
1.) in our Championship season, the team we were going to play's FB took a flat backed stance on all running plays, and a bear crapping in the woods (butt real low) stance on passing plays. It was 100%. Easy for the kids to pick up on the field.
2.) I noticed on film, several years ago, one of our future opponents QB would wipe his hands on the Center's belt towel on running plays, but on passing plays he he wiped his hands on his own towel at his waist.
You can occasionally catch some hand signals, or things like licking finger tips, etc. The more film that you see, the better the chance of catching a few of these.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Sept 8, 2016 7:09:51 GMT -6
I'll go ahead and get stuff done in my free time. I don't really think anything about it. It doesn't feel like I'm looking ahead. One day, I might do all of the down and distance, the next day I'll do type and direction. I'm not really looking at anything that in-depth, I'm not studying really intently. I'm just trying to cut down on work later.
If we can trade with somebody else, and get something of value, we will. We will have the entire season so far of our opponent next week. And everything we have has already been broken down.
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Post by bluboy on Sept 8, 2016 8:25:14 GMT -6
I do not look at any video of an opponent until the week we play them (very superstitious). If we get any "advanced video", I will have one of our young assistants do the ODK, down/distance, yard line and hash. I will then do formation and play so that if it's screwed up, I know who did it.
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Post by rosey65 on Sept 8, 2016 11:09:09 GMT -6
I'll take a page from Woody Hayes and break down "Michigan" film during "Northwestern" week, but I dont make it a point to look too far ahead. I cant get too much in my head at once without getting teams confused, and mostly I just dont have the time to adequately break down more than 1 team each week
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Post by coachgtiller on Sept 8, 2016 11:16:31 GMT -6
In our conference we usually trade film at some point on Wednesday of the week prior to playing an opponent. Once we get that film we just to go in and tag it. It already has ODK, D&D, and Gn/Ls done when we trade. So we watch just enough to put in our own data. Formation, personnel, play, def front, things like that. This allows us to immediately begin watching and breaking it down on Saturday.
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Post by agap on Sept 8, 2016 11:41:07 GMT -6
I usually start tagging our next opponent's film on Thursday night. Everything is done for our current opponent, so I will spend a little time getting ready for the next opponent so I can spend more time on the gameplan over the weekend.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 8, 2016 11:52:12 GMT -6
I do not look at any video of an opponent until the week we play them (very superstitious). If we get any "advanced video", I will have one of our young assistants do the ODK, down/distance, yard line and hash. I will then do formation and play so that if it's screwed up, I know who did it. I am the EXACT same way. |
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