Coach Hoover
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Assistant Coach, Ligonier Valley High School
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Post by Coach Hoover on Sept 4, 2016 11:54:05 GMT -6
Am I the only one who read all of these comments and figured he meant "Mississippi" Head Coach, and not Middle School? Or do Middle Schools in other parts of the country have homecoming and a JV team?!
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Post by blb on Sept 4, 2016 12:03:37 GMT -6
Am I the only one who read all of these comments and figured he meant "Mississippi" Head Coach, and not Middle School? Or do Middle Schools in other parts of the country have homecoming and a JV team?!
You may be right but so far OP as not posted a correction.
To me HS = High School, MS = Middle School on here.
State doesn't matter, unless it does - and why should be explained in post.
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Post by blb on Sept 4, 2016 13:51:15 GMT -6
Am I the only one who read all of these comments and figured he meant "Mississippi" Head Coach, and not Middle School? Or do Middle Schools in other parts of the country have homecoming and a JV team?!
FWIW I went back and read some of his previous posts.
He is a Middle School HC - didn't say if he's in the Magnolia State or not.
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Post by dytmook on Sept 4, 2016 14:10:08 GMT -6
I could see how you could do it, but I wouldn't have done it. As soon as I can I try to get my younger guys some reps, especially at the lower levels. I reign in my offense based off down and distance. I'm going to throw the ball on 3rd and 7 because it's part of the game. I'd rather walk up to the coach individually after the game and tell him great game or something like that. No need to get the kids involved.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 5, 2016 7:24:09 GMT -6
Am I the only one who read all of these comments and figured he meant "Mississippi" Head Coach, and not Middle School? Or do Middle Schools in other parts of the country have homecoming and a JV team?!
You may be right but so far OP as not posted a correction.
To me HS = High School, MS = Middle School on here.
State doesn't matter, unless it does - and why should be explained in post.
There is no univeral terminolgy in school divisions. πππ Sorry. Couldn't resist.
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Post by jrk5150 on Sept 6, 2016 10:16:10 GMT -6
First, I'm still trying to figure out what MS or HS or whatever has to do with anything. Like it's okay to run it up in HS but not MS? Like it's okay to sit kids in a blowout who worked their asses off all week because it's HS and not MS? Seriously, on issues like this, they are ALL kids, and right/wrong doesn't change regardless of the level.
Who cares? How about all those kids who are playing? And isn't that supposed to be what we all care about?
Back to the topic - no, you weren't "justified" in rolling around in the muck with the guy. Understandable, yes. Wrong, maybe. Justified, no.
IMO you should have coached your game and situations, and subbed where/when you normally would.
That said, I'm not above poking him back. Perhaps if you've identified a weakness during the game you call plays with your subs that you know are going to gash them when ordinarily maybe you wouldn't. Not some double reverse pass, but if you know your left trap has been killing them all game, then perhaps you continue to call it. And at the end of the game, I would probably not be a big enough man not to say "what, no picture this year?" on the way past.
We're all human...
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Post by coachorm on Sept 6, 2016 13:33:05 GMT -6
The score is not the issue here. The issue is the classless act of putting yourself on the same level as the opposing coach and taking the picture with the scoreboard as payback. Regardless of the level of your team (MS or HS) you owe it to your players to set a good example of how to act after a loss as well as after a win. Just the fact this post was created shows you at least have some regret for your actions. Best you can do is apologize to your team and set a better example the next time.
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Post by bignose on Sept 6, 2016 14:52:27 GMT -6
Thirty plus years ago, I caught the end of a JV game that was very once sided. Up 40-0, the winning team scored with about 2 minutes left, and went for two. 48-0. No running clock back then. They then onside kicked, recovered, and were throwing bombs into the end zone as time ran out. The losing coach refused to shake his hand after the game, and wouldn't let his players shake their opponents player's hands, either. He got a letter of reprimand from his administration for his lack of sportsmanship.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Win with class, lose with dignity.
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agame
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Post by agame on Sept 7, 2016 1:18:58 GMT -6
Thirty plus years ago, I caught the end of a JV game that was very once sided. Up 40-0, the winning team scored with about 2 minutes left, and went for two. 48-0. No running clock back then. They then onside kicked, recovered, and were throwing bombs into the end zone as time ran out. The losing coach refused to shake his hand after the game, and wouldn't let his players shake their opponents player's hands, either.Β He got a letter of reprimand from his administration for his lack of sportsmanship. Two wrongs don't make a right. Win with class, lose with dignity. Your right and I've done it, shook hands after having teams Run up scores on you.. But it's bloody hard to be the bigger man when teams pull stuff like you mention.. It's bloody hard!
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Post by 53 on Sept 7, 2016 8:57:38 GMT -6
I only worry about what I can control, and how the other coach handles himself and his teams after games isn't something that I really give a {censored} about.
You made a poor choice afterwards by taking the picture. Win, take the high road, and try to get all of your kids some playing time in a one sided game.
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Post by coachiminime on Sept 8, 2016 18:25:52 GMT -6
Coach, what you did is not justified. I'm just giving my opinion. Anyone who coached long enough knows there are bad guys that coach and are still successful, and good guys who aren't. I'm not saying to let it go but I would have taken it up with the guy personally. Instead you used kids to fight your battle. I would have told something smart when I was shaking hands and said if he a had a problem with me we can meet for a beverage and discuss it later.
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mikeyg
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Post by mikeyg on Sept 15, 2016 22:55:16 GMT -6
In 8 man we have a 45 point mercy rule and there are plenty of coaches out there who live to 45 an opponent but thats not who we were. My first 3 years we were routinely 45'd and our record over 3 years was 6-23 with 12 losses coming from being 45'd. So a few years ago we had a huge shift in our program and we became the team who could dish out the 45s. The last 2 years we went 9-2 and 6-4 and we only 45'd 5 teams, 2 of which 45'd us, after the game all the coaches said no ill feelings felt and all understood why it happened. But we didn't look to 45 anybody at all because we had been on the receiving end of that stick numerous times and we knew what it felt like. When we did 45 anybody it was because of 1 of 2 reasons. 1) Freshman and 3rd string outplayed their team. Whenever we get up by 20 or more we sub almost everybody and leave 1 or 2 starters until we get a 30 point lead then we pull all starters. Im not gonna tell my frosh or 3rd string RB to not score or to not get that pick 6. 2) Once we pull starters and have in subs we expect the other team's coach to understand that we could pull the trigger but we are allowing both teams to sub and play guys who dont get to play much in regular varsity games (we all have a little Tommy on the team who's grandma and cousin Fred show up to every game but never gets to play). But don't keep your 1's in and go out there and start slingin the ball around like the freakin Oregon Ducks on our frosh. Or stacking 8 in the box and sending a full house blitz on our 3rd string. You do that crap and we will send in the hounds of war and run up the score as fast and as soon as possible. Our 1s hate to see the "wittle guys" get picked on and as soon as they hear that bark, yes I said bark (we literally barked), its like some psycho switch flips in their brains and they went out for blood. Nothing dirty or illegal or tricky. Just hard nosed old fashioned football and they loved it. I just wish we could have harnessed that feral primal effort and that they could've used it the entire game instead of just when subs get picked on. The subs understand and we apologize and we make sure to try to get them in sooner next time or make sure they get more time in jv game. Now I say all that to say this, you can be a tough coach/team and get revenge without being a douche.
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 16, 2016 16:51:47 GMT -6
I agree with all the coaches who said just beat them into the ground and that is revenge enough. Don't stoop to their level though.
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Post by coachdougal on Oct 16, 2016 20:35:44 GMT -6
Weather a team ran the score up on me in the past or not I follow the same rules. If were up by 35 prior to the 4th quarter my JV kids go in and get experience. I know sometimes its tough and you want to get back at the guy that tried to embarrass your kids in the previous year but every chance you get I would recommend sucking it up and getting your JV kids game experience for future years. As far as the picture thing I wouldn't have done it. Maybe he was sending the picture to his wife stating he won the game. you don't know the reasoning why he took it and there's a good chance he took the picture for reasons other than being a Jerk. If you have to question weather or not what you did was justified there's a good chance it wasn't.
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Post by Coach Vint on Oct 17, 2016 8:19:04 GMT -6
I would never apologize for scoring, but I wouldn't have my starters in late in a game up that much. First, I want my kids who practice their butt off each week to get playing time. This is especially true at the middle school level. Middle school football is very, very important. Kids learn our system, learn our culture, and become a part of our family. We want them all to play and learn to love the game and the hard work it takes to be good.
Second, I don't want my best players getting hurt at a meaningless time in a game because I want to satisfy my ego.
We teach our players, "you respect people not because of who they are, but because of who you are." We do things because of who we are, not because of someone else. We control us, not someone else. We do us. Listen, I have done what you have done. It was early in my career. I am not proud of it because I got away from my identity.
Only you know you and can answer whether you are justified. Some guys would do that, some wouldn't. If you need validation from others on the issue, then part of you may question what you did, and that is okay. Use this experience to figure out who you are as a coach and run with it full speed. Don't be someone your not.
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pistola
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Post by pistola on Oct 17, 2016 10:46:04 GMT -6
Thanks for all the replies (besides brophy). Didn't expect this many. I understand where you all are coming from. The head coach of this team is just a dick. He has been hated around the league since he's been here (4th season). He is known for running up the score on anyone he can. Known for being difficult with scheduling. Known for not caring about anyone else, for just trying to lookout for himself. My AD/asst. principal said he was 100% behind me. Said what happened last year was "bush league" and that he would've done the exact same thing. I consider myself to be a moral man who is usually a good sport when it comes to competition...but when you have a chance to take a shot on someone who's known for taking shots on inferior teams, I felt like I almost owed to all those teams for the last few years. reason #1 why I wouldn't have taken the picture. the score and playing time are whatever. to each his own.. do what you feel is best for your own team in your judgement. ... but the bolded statement above on what yall consider bush league.. is that you just did the exact same thing.. so welcome to the league I suppose
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Post by wiscohscoach on Oct 17, 2016 11:12:32 GMT -6
Two wrongs never make a right.
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Post by olcoach53 on Oct 17, 2016 11:49:53 GMT -6
But three rights make a left....
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Post by wiscohscoach on Oct 17, 2016 13:58:03 GMT -6
But three rights make a left.... And running it up in High School almost always will make a fourth left... it'll come full circle.
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Post by olcoach53 on Oct 17, 2016 15:35:12 GMT -6
But what about if you take ANOTHER right.....Nah, I was just kidding anyways. Never run it up if you don't have to.
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