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Post by John Knight on Aug 30, 2016 9:16:35 GMT -6
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kcarls
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Post by kcarls on Aug 30, 2016 10:20:41 GMT -6
I go box because I can see better than anybody can describe it to me. AND I am away from the emotion of the field.
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Post by jtimmerman53 on Aug 30, 2016 10:32:32 GMT -6
I have been an assistant coach for my first three years at my school and my role during games is to sit up in the box with our OC and chart plays as well as watching the defensive front seven and relay info to our primary OL coach down on the field. That being said I don't think I will ever want to go down to the field. I would like to be an OC one day myself and being up in the box to see the whole field and being away from all the craziness down on the field is the only way I could imagine doing it.
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Post by carookie on Aug 30, 2016 10:52:45 GMT -6
Field, if I need to coach a player it is more easily done in person and immediately, as opposed to over a headset or at half. Even as a coordinator I find my primary job to be that of coaching my players as opposed to calling plays, I can do both from the field but only one from the box. That being written I have had some bad people in the box, too much play suggestion not enough looking for things that are difficult to see from field level.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Aug 30, 2016 11:32:55 GMT -6
Field... I like to get a feel for the game and players, can make adjustments faster, and I like to look those kids in the eyes and see which one I wanna depend on in crunch time.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Aug 31, 2016 6:36:41 GMT -6
Both?
I've been in the box a few times, and I really prefer the view and ability to distinguish what's going on. But, I feel really far removed from the game.
On the field, I can have better discussions with my players about what's going on. And I can better gauge what's going on with them.
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Post by underdog21 on Aug 31, 2016 6:40:41 GMT -6
It all depends to be honest. I really like being in the box when calling plays. Can see everything develop and not get distracted. However, I have been around some coaches that can not draw on a board or explain adjustments, so I needed to be on the field.
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Post by carookie on Aug 31, 2016 8:42:01 GMT -6
In regards to the article itself, I really support the move being made by LSU. Position coaches should be on the field to work directly with their players, reinforcing techniques that need to be emphasized during the game. And I am sure they have enough GAs to provide ample eyes in the sky to see what is going on in all the various aspects of the game.
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Post by fantom on Aug 31, 2016 12:07:46 GMT -6
I prefer to be in the box.
There are issues with all of the coaches being ob the field in HS ball. We don't have GA's. On a lot of HS staffs that would mean putting some inexperienced coaches in the box.
Looking at LSU's staff I'm not sure that both coordinators will stay on the field. The DC doen't coach a position so there's no real reason for him to be on the field (unless that's the way he prefers it anyway). The OC coaches QB's so he only needs headphones to communicate with his players.
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Post by carookie on Aug 31, 2016 12:32:16 GMT -6
I prefer to be in the box. There are issues with all of the coaches being ob the field in HS ball. We don't have GA's. On a lot of HS staffs that would mean putting some inexperienced coaches in the box. Looking at LSU's staff I'm not sure that both coordinators will stay on the field. The DC doen't coach a position so there's no real reason for him to be on the field (unless that's the way he prefers it anyway). The OC coaches QB's so he only needs headphones to communicate with his players. Have you thought about putting LL (lower level) coaches in the box? Thats what we've done at a number of places and Ive seen it work. I guess it depends on what you want from in the box; if you want them to see things that are difficult to see and chart plays, then I think there is little training required for the task. If you want them to make decisions then a LL guy may not be viable.
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Post by fshamrock on Aug 31, 2016 13:05:34 GMT -6
I don't know what's best, but I do know that it doesn't matter to me that wherever I am I'm probably not seeing everything right. I don't know how many times I've watched the film the next day and had no idea that something was going on out there. I think it's really hard to make good smart in game adjustments, so we try to keep them to a minimum. What's the point of practicing all week if we're going to change everything up in the 2nd quarter? Dance with the one that brung ya.
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Post by carookie on Aug 31, 2016 13:17:08 GMT -6
I don't know what's best, but I do know that it doesn't matter to me that wherever I am I'm probably not seeing everything right. I don't know how many times I've watched the film the next day and had no idea that something was going on out there. I think it's really hard to make good smart in game adjustments, so we try to keep them to a minimum. What's the point of practicing all week if we're going to change everything up in the 2nd quarter? Dance with the one that brung ya. Love that part about in game adjustments, and agree with your premise; we spend all week/season practicing and I game planned all week, to know what to call. That being written, I feel like the person in the box should be watching WHY something worked or didn't, and then if I need to reinforce a technique or key I can. But its like I tell any other teacher or parent when they they me on a Friday, 'good luck'. I say, "thank you, but tell it to the kids. My job is already done; I work Saturday through Thursday." Gamedays are not a lot of work, remind players of the small things here and there and make the calls based on the scouting.
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SconnieOC
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Post by SconnieOC on Aug 31, 2016 13:21:12 GMT -6
My first 3 seasons I was in the box.. hated it at first. Felt so removed.. but coaching QBs, it was fine.. get them on the headset and make corrections and I came to love the ability to see the game differently. When I became OC at my new place, I felt like I had to be on the sidelines. New system which our staff knew well, but I didn't know if they could make all the adjustments we needed to.. plus I wanted to be able to look those guys in the eyes. I've toyed with going up to the box now that I have a lot of confidence in our assistants. I've also learned that if you do your job during the week, they arent going to throw a ton of new stuff at you (unless you get a funky defense of the week) that you haven't seen on film already.
The problem I'm struggling with, as a high tempo team (without a lot of headsets) I have to make the call to a coach, who then relays it to a player who signals. I could have the coach signal, but that's one more thing they have to worry about, when I'd rather have them keeping eyes on the defense for me. I don't know if I'll ever feel really comfortable calling with tempo upstairs.
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Post by dytmook on Aug 31, 2016 16:08:58 GMT -6
I have done both. Got moved upstairs when the previous OC went up there. New OC likes how I see fronts so I've stayed the past 2 years. I've been down during the games like at the end of half and I miss the energy, but I'm pretty loose in the box and I like that.
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Post by brophy on Aug 31, 2016 16:29:18 GMT -6
box ....if I need to be on the sideline coaching and talking to kids during the game, then I didn't do my job during the week
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 31, 2016 20:00:48 GMT -6
I keep reading posts about "adjustments". What type of adjustments are being made?
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Post by jgordon1 on Aug 31, 2016 22:55:21 GMT -6
I am on the field and like to see the look in the kids faces.. coachd5085 We have sideline video so I am showing video tothe kids..telling them hey line up wider here..you need to get over the top of this down block..lets run more of XX instead of XY this coverage instead of that..lets run Y blitz from Z front..you rememeber that from camp..here lets review it on the grease board brophy I don't think thats necessarily true..the other team has chalk too.up to us to see what they are doing and adjust...All that being said our sideline video didn't work last week..my coaches in the box said the LB's were getting blocked by the backers..we need to take the DT and have him cut the Og and OT.. ??..the other coach said nothing..I turned out the OLB was over pursuing..the OLB coach was at the beach for that game..Long story..anyways...we lost 16-10 losing 3 turnovers only getting 1
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Post by agap on Aug 31, 2016 23:16:07 GMT -6
I prefer the box. I can see more like others have mentioned.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 1, 2016 5:41:09 GMT -6
I keep reading posts about "adjustments". What type of adjustments are being made? I look these in 2 categories -simple alignment issues or technical corrections IE Safety too far off the hash, NG needs to be in a shade not a 2i, CB is over playing the screen, etc.. -Game management issues IE We just took the lead with 3 1/2 minutes left in the half, they can't handle our pass rush but have had success with their run game; What are they going to do here?
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 1, 2016 9:51:04 GMT -6
I am on the field and like to see the look in the kids faces.. coachd5085 We have sideline video so I am showing video tothe kids..telling them hey line up wider here..you need to get over the top of this down block..lets run more of XX instead of XY this coverage instead of that..lets run Y blitz from Z front..you rememeber that from camp..here lets review it on the grease board brophy I don't think thats necessarily true..the other team has chalk too.up to us to see what they are doing and adjust...All that being said our sideline video didn't work last week..my coaches in the box said the LB's were getting blocked by the backers..we need to take the DT and have him cut the Og and OT.. ??..the other coach said nothing..I turned out the OLB was over pursuing..the OLB coach was at the beach for that game..Long story..anyways...we lost 16-10 losing 3 turnovers only getting 1 @jdordon1 Would you consider those things you mentioned CORRECTIONS or ADJUSTMENTS? I guess that's where I get a bit puzzled.
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 1, 2016 13:15:41 GMT -6
I am on the field and like to see the look in the kids faces.. coachd5085 We have sideline video so I am showing video tothe kids..telling them hey line up wider here..you need to get over the top of this down block..lets run more of XX instead of XY this coverage instead of that..lets run Y blitz from Z front..you rememeber that from camp..here lets review it on the grease board brophy I don't think thats necessarily true..the other team has chalk too.up to us to see what they are doing and adjust...All that being said our sideline video didn't work last week..my coaches in the box said the LB's were getting blocked by the backers..we need to take the DT and have him cut the Og and OT.. ??..the other coach said nothing..I turned out the OLB was over pursuing..the OLB coach was at the beach for that game..Long story..anyways...we lost 16-10 losing 3 turnovers only getting 1 @jdordon1 Would you consider those things you mentioned CORRECTIONS or ADJUSTMENTS? I guess that's where I get a bit puzzled. well both I guess..if a kid is aligning too tight, I am correcting him to align outside....now if a team is running a lot of sweeps, I might tell the corner to align wider because of sweep..I guess that would be an adjustment
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