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Post by pistolwhipped on Aug 13, 2016 10:55:24 GMT -6
Actual screenshot....I understand that we are sometimes at the mercy of our video crew but man this was a gut punch when I cracked this open today and realized I have 6 days to get a team ready based on this.
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Post by cqmiller on Aug 13, 2016 11:00:14 GMT -6
Some guys are dicks... If that is the film they are using for their own evaluations, my bet is they aren't that good anyway. If they are being dicks... get what you can out of it and just whip their @ss and let their HC know about it after the game.
Bring it up at conference meeting at end or beginning of season.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 13, 2016 11:16:58 GMT -6
Call the other team and get their copy.
We have had some of the worst films ever in trades. Usually the bad teams too. I'm talking shots of the center and qb then follow the ball in the air so you can see nothing. Some that looked like and earth quake was happening. The old I think the cameras on when it's off and off when it's on, nice shots of the huddle breaking then guys getting off the ground after the play. Could go on and on. Wish I would have saved some.
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Post by newt21 on Aug 13, 2016 12:13:20 GMT -6
If you think that's bad, try trading with a middle school team like we do...the quality of some of the film we get is comparable to a charcoal drawing from half a mile away
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 13, 2016 12:40:36 GMT -6
Actual screenshot....I understand that we are sometimes at the mercy of our video crew but man this was a gut punch when I cracked this open today and realized I have 6 days to get a team ready based on this. I didn't know a camera could zoom out that far
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Post by fantom on Aug 13, 2016 13:10:39 GMT -6
We got a blank once, nothing on it. Another time we got one that looked wrong until we figured out that it was the wrong year. Back in the days of 16mm there was a guy here who was notorious for cutting trick plays. You have no complaints.
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Post by blb on Aug 13, 2016 13:21:37 GMT -6
Once drove halfway across the state Sunday night to exchange DVDs for first round playoff game (I didn't have HUDL at the time).
Their guy kept me waiting two hours.
When I got home neither DVD would work.
Our OL coach got them to email him the two games which he burned for me and brought over couple hours later.
Got done breaking down their Offense (only) at 5 AM.
Happy ending was we beat them 45-20, their first playoff loss before Regionals in several years, and they had a three-hour bus ride home.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 13, 2016 13:35:43 GMT -6
At my old school we made the playoffs
The other school gave me film from 2 years prior
I found out Monday night after watching several times the scores and roster just didn't synch up and I looked at maxpreps from 2 years prior and realized those scores lined up
Didn't get film til Wednesday Looking back should have made a harder push with our section to have them forfeit
They killed us We were getting ready for a completely different offense and defense
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Post by chi5hi on Aug 13, 2016 16:16:30 GMT -6
I believe that every coach has a couple of bad stories about film exchange. Some opposition coaches are real jerks. I remember the days of 16mm film and projectors...traveling to exchange locations...getting half of a film or film from a prior year, chopped and edited.
These things make a case for your team to have a very solid base offense and defense with minimum hand signals and verbiage. You can go into a contest with little or no idea of what you'll see without a solid film and current roster.
I remember, more than once, that we were happy that we have on-field defensive adjustments, and the ability to audible, just because we didn't know what to expect.
HUDL makes life a lot easier.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2016 16:33:29 GMT -6
At my old school we made the playoffs The other school gave me film from 2 years prior I found out Monday night after watching several times the scores and roster just didn't synch up and I looked at maxpreps from 2 years prior and realized those scores lined up Didn't get film til Wednesday Looking back should have made a harder push with our section to have them forfeit They killed us We were getting ready for a completely different offense and defense That is bush league. Wow
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Post by Defcord on Aug 13, 2016 17:04:36 GMT -6
I worked for a guy who said one of the schools he had been at had two cameras and one was to capture bad film for opponent. He was a stand up guy to me he said that when he was younger he would do anything he could to get an edge. I was shocked, partially because we had to beg to get a camera and someone to film every week and mostly because that was a major douchee move
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Post by fcboiler87 on Aug 13, 2016 19:11:47 GMT -6
One of our opponent's film is that zoomed out but it's of much poorer quality. They are a terrible program and probably don't raise enough to purchase a reasonable camera. Since they were so bad it wasn't a big deal, we just did the best we could and won by 50.
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Post by pistolwhipped on Aug 13, 2016 19:16:10 GMT -6
This was filmed on an iPad I believe.
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Post by wolverine55 on Aug 13, 2016 19:33:05 GMT -6
The worst trade film I have seen came from the program I coached for at the time, unfortunately! My description won't do this justice but here goes. Basically, our filmer set up the camera in a location in the press box to where when he turned the camera to the right, a 2 by 4 acting as a support between the windows cut off the field and you couldn't see what was happening from the 40 yard line on in. And, the kid never adjusted the camera! So, for the whole game, nothing that happened from the 40 yard line going in from left to right was caught on film...
Fortunately and unfortunately, our next opponent was A LOT better than us so it didn't really matter. Their HC joked before the game that his only concern was he couldn't figure out what to do with that board.
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Post by orion320 on Aug 13, 2016 19:35:28 GMT -6
Some coaches in our conference are always complaining about not getting all 11 guys in the film. I guess this is what it looks like.
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Post by fantom on Aug 14, 2016 7:53:21 GMT -6
I forgot this one:
A few years ago there was a downpour so our cameraman pointed the camera at the LOS, turned it on, covered it with plastic, then took cover. However, the ball moved. The ball was on the 40 while we filmed the 30. The only thing that you could see moving was the tailback's feet.
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Post by bignose on Aug 14, 2016 8:15:01 GMT -6
Having started coaching back in the day when nobody exchanged film (we couldn't afford 16 mm, we shot in 8 mm!), I got used to scouting in person, on paper, my first coaching job after I graduated college. You guys who only started coaching after video became digital are spoiled rotten! LOL
I've seen it all in 43 years of coaching, sky shots, stadiums shots, crazy zoom shots, zoomed out "ants on a screen", zoomed in so tight that all you see are legs and shoulders, pervert shots (one of our guys used to shoot "down blouse" shots from the press box)…..I don't think that any of this is intentional. They grab some random kid or parent and just hand them a camera……….and they are trying to evaluate their kids from the same film.
We did have one guy in our league about 25 years ago, at the advent of VHS cassettes, who was notorious for editing out any play where his team scored or got scored upon on the copy he sent out. You'd get a film for a game that was 35-21 and never saw a touchdown scored! We got to the point where we refused to exchange with him, just sent one of our own guys there with a video camera. We got pretty good at sneaking a camera into games, remembering how big the original VHS cameras were!
With everyone in the league now on Hudl, everyone does a full film exchange of every game. So if the home team cameraman misses a play (hey, we all do occasionally) the visiting team's film usually has it.
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 14, 2016 12:11:35 GMT -6
yes, that was my first year, 89, jr in college, I was the scout they sent to games, no film, you just filmed your own games, very rare for teams to trade film,
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Post by utchuckd on Aug 14, 2016 12:33:31 GMT -6
We used to get 2 full vhs tapes of each game from a certain opponent. They would start the camera at pregame warm ups and film every second until the end of the game. Between plays, timeouts, even the halftime band show. The film was actually pretty good, but having to cut through 3+ hours of tape for 30 minutes of action got tedious.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 14, 2016 14:02:36 GMT -6
At my old school we made the playoffs The other school gave me film from 2 years prior I found out Monday night after watching several times the scores and roster just didn't synch up and I looked at maxpreps from 2 years prior and realized those scores lined up Didn't get film til Wednesday Looking back should have made a harder push with our section to have them forfeit They killed us We were getting ready for a completely different offense and defense That is bush league. Wow the HC was really old and this was all just before HUDL took over so we still all had DVDs he swore it was a mistake by one of his assistants who did all the video stuff for him but it sucked i realized it soon enough, but the school is about 2 hours away and the HC didnt return my calls/voicemails so by the time we got the actual film in hand we had wasted half of our week
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Post by blb on Aug 14, 2016 14:44:09 GMT -6
As long as we're trading horror stories, just to prove things were worse in the "good ol' (16 MM) days":
I was coaching at a D-II school.
Our third game we were going to play a MAC school coached by a guy who had been fired from a Big Ten head job for multiple recruiting violations.
They had played two games. The first film you would have thought they lost 35-0, the second 6-0.
Actually they had lost opener 28-35 and won second 43-6.
NONE of their scoring plays were on the film we got from them (him).
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Aug 14, 2016 17:13:24 GMT -6
Actual screenshot....I understand that we are sometimes at the mercy of our video crew but man this was a gut punch when I cracked this open today and realized I have 6 days to get a team ready based on this. Been there before. Actually happened to us last season in the opening game prep. But we beat them 50-0 so we got the last laugh. Our Week 1 opponent just gave us film of their jamboree last Friday night, and the quality sucks just as bad. It looks like it was filmed with a handheld camera, and they left the audio on. They played a school that my HS coach just got the job at. My HS coach has run DTDW since about 1985 and served as a coordinator under Don Markham for a while. Of course, our Week 1 team is a coaching staff of a bunch of visor-wearing 20-somethings in bro tanks that runs shotgun spread. First play, the coach up in the booth says "oh here they come again in that stupid ass offense". They scored on that play from 50 yards out and I almost fell out of my seat.
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Post by jg78 on Aug 14, 2016 17:27:22 GMT -6
Man, yeah. I'm still relatively young at 37 but still remember the days of meeting someone halfway on Saturday morning to exchange VHS tapes, make copies for other coaches, etc. It sure sucked.
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Post by raymul313 on Aug 14, 2016 23:22:37 GMT -6
Man, yeah. I'm still relatively young at 37 but still remember the days of meeting someone halfway on Saturday morning to exchange VHS tapes, make copies for other coaches, etc. It sure sucked. I'm 26 ad I just had to do that this past season...some districts haven't caught up (aka too cheap)
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Post by rosey65 on Aug 15, 2016 7:19:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 5:18:59 GMT -6
We were once given footage from a Go Pro. Attached to a (volunteer) referee. Shaky.
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Post by John Knight on Aug 16, 2016 5:30:17 GMT -6
We got tired of these antics back in the 90s and decided to strike back at some of these guys sending us crappy video. We had a special guy that hung around as manager/mascot for years after he graduated and most of the sports teams kept him around, think Radio. We decided to let "radio" take one of our old cameras and film the game and send that as our trade film. Well that backfired, he was as good or better than our regular film guy. We had him film practice every day from then on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 5:52:45 GMT -6
I used to coach in the smallest class in our state. About 1/3 of the time, we got no film. When we did, it often looked like this. One team had a coach whose wife shot their film from the stands at an angle like this and she didn't start the camera until after the snap.
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Post by pistolwhipped on Aug 16, 2016 5:54:28 GMT -6
We were once given footage from a Go Pro. Attached to a (volunteer) referee. Shaky. This is a boss move
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Post by underdog21 on Aug 16, 2016 11:05:18 GMT -6
I remember my fist year coaching, a five wide passing team sent us their film. It was a tight view of their linemen.......
This was before hudl so we had to find other teams with their film.
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