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Post by kramer19 on Sept 13, 2006 10:45:35 GMT -6
After watching Air Force vs. Tennessee I think the flexbone could
be a pretty successful offense in a major conference. Might even get a perennial doormat like a Duke into a bowl once in a while.
Issue I see is can you prepare a defense to stop I formation and shotgun spread teams when you are running the flexbone? What makes you difficult to prepare for by the other guy's defense
might make it difficult for you to get your defense ready because your scout team might not be proficient. Any thoughts as to the viability of the flexbone in a major conference (no disrespect to the WAC/Air Force).
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Post by coache67 on Sept 13, 2006 18:49:24 GMT -6
Probably not just b/c of the speed factor. I know they will get one every once in awhile, but week in week out, I just don't know.
Also, you have to remember that the fellas at the Academies are trained to be the way they are. I don't think the discipline factor would work at most public/private unis.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 13, 2006 19:13:49 GMT -6
Nebraska used to be a very fine "I" option team and competed very well with the "Big" boys in spite of having just 1 top 10 recruiting class in the 80s and 90s. Yet in one stretch in the mid 90s they went 60-3 and played for the national title in 4 of 5 years, winning 3 and missing another by an eyelash. If you remember; demolishing a fine Florida team 62-24 in the title game and outmuscling a Warren Sapp and Ray Lewis Miami team at Miami as well, Crushing the Peyton Manning Tennesse team that had had a geat running back too, then outplaying Florida State and losing in the last minute in a very contorversial game.
Yep the option with the right coaching staff and reasonable talent would still in today. If Navy can do it with the tiny bunch of scrubs they have.
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Post by jman on Sept 13, 2006 20:15:31 GMT -6
dave,
Lets be honest, although Nebraska did run some option, they were not an option football team. The option was only a part of their overall scheme. They did not live and die by the option the same as Air Force or Navy does on a weekly basis.
As far as competing in a major conference I think Paul Johnson could do fine...if he was able to get the recruits. It would be hard to recruit good D-1 athletes to run the spread option these days. Kids, fans and alumni are certainly not happy with 4 yards per carry any more. I think the talent pool he would attract would hurt him much more than his scheme.
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Post by airman on Sept 13, 2006 20:54:38 GMT -6
i think it would be hard for this very reason. you would need two wr who could attack a defense. if the defense could cover your wr like a glove and give you no threat of the passing game, it would be hard as the fs could be a alley player with out having to worry about pap.
they are talking the spread option that urban meyer runs might not last long in the sec due to the speed of the dbs and lbers.
spread option is perfect in say the big ten where it is still a ground and pound league.
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Post by tog on Sept 13, 2006 21:00:10 GMT -6
yes it would work
and it would work well
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Post by davecisar on Sept 14, 2006 6:36:04 GMT -6
dave, Lets be honest, although Nebraska did run some option, they were not an option football team. The option was only a part of their overall scheme. They did not live and die by the option the same as Air Force or Navy does on a weekly basis. As far as competing in a major conference I think Paul Johnson could do fine...if he was able to get the recruits. It would be hard to recruit good D-1 athletes to run the spread option these days. Kids, fans and alumni are certainly not happy with 4 yards per carry any more. I think the talent pool he would attract would hurt him much more than his scheme. I am honest, always. I went to every one of those home games as well as most of the the Bowls ( all three of the NAt Championship Wins and all the Kickoff Classics too) and a number of away games. When Osborne went to the option offense he recruited option QBs and we averaged over 300 yds rushing in every year, while passing efficiently but SPARRINGLY. Tommie Frazier Option QB, think of the highlights of the games I mentioned, mostly option plays. Frazier never completed over 50% of his throws. Yes we ran counter trey and power tosses, but lots of triple option, trap option, speed option and good old fashion passes off the option look to the TE. Think Junior Miller, Johnny Mitchell etc We even strted a QB in that era from Louisianna that was just 5' 7" and couldnt throw a lick. |
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Post by davecisar on Sept 14, 2006 9:02:54 GMT -6
Mikey Joseph Started at QB for NU as a 5' 7" option QB that could not throw at all and 5'7" was being generous.
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Post by coachjd on Sept 14, 2006 9:12:17 GMT -6
I think the scheme would work, but being able to recruit on a consistant basis would be hard. Most of the top speed kids are going to go to a school were the coaches have had success putting kids into the NFL. Is it realistic that putting kids into the NFL on a consistant basis?? NO, but most 18 year old kids who are ranked by Rivals or Scout, are thinking NFL. These kids want to play in an offense that is considered a "Pro Style" offense.
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Post by Coach Geordie on Sept 14, 2006 9:25:22 GMT -6
I think his major problem with recruiting would not be finding the backs but the linemen. He get's a great deal of yardage at Navy from B+ talent in the backfield.
If he were to run it in the SEC the line would need to be good to deal with the speed on defence and the depth they have in the conference. The problem is that top tier talent would not commit to an offence that will not prepare them for the pro level.
It's a shame because many teams in the SEC have two quality running backs that would give his system genuine balance.
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Post by coachjd on Sept 14, 2006 9:38:32 GMT -6
another point to make is the sugar daddies at the Div I majors. Would they continue to foot bills $$$$ watching a non pro style offense?
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Post by spreadattack on Sept 14, 2006 13:33:39 GMT -6
I don't know, but I hope he gets the chance one day.
I think he could "win," as in be a solid program. Being a national championship team is made up of a number of things besides pure coaching and certainly just schemes.
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Post by coachjblair on Sept 14, 2006 20:41:25 GMT -6
I think Johnson would win due to the fact he would change his offense to fit somewhat with the conference he was playing in.
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Post by gregspahn on Dec 16, 2007 21:54:53 GMT -6
Iguess that Ga Tech will soon find out!! Will he run his flexbone there? How much will he have to reshape positions/roster and convince his players to buy in?
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Post by kkennedy on Dec 16, 2007 22:50:36 GMT -6
Probably not just b/c of the speed factor. I never buy that argument. Its all relative. Offensive players in those conferences are fast too. |
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Post by kkennedy on Dec 16, 2007 22:53:19 GMT -6
i think it would be hard for this very reason. you would need two wr who could attack a defense. if the defense could cover your wr like a glove and give you no threat of the passing game, it would be hard as the fs could be a alley player with out having to worry about pap. they are talking the spread option that urban meyer runs might not last long in the sec due to the speed of the dbs and lbers. spread option is perfect in say the big ten where it is still a ground and pound league. If the corners are locked up in man coverage then he will eat them apart with the option . Those corner are going to NEED to come down and help out in run support. |
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Post by kkennedy on Dec 16, 2007 22:57:07 GMT -6
The problem is that top tier talent would not commit to an offence that will not prepare them for the pro level. Kyle Eckel is playing for NE. NFL cares more about combine numbers anymore anyways than what x's and o's you ran in college. Other than maybe qb's and he will get all the good option qb's he needs. |
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Post by coachjaz on Dec 17, 2007 18:10:49 GMT -6
Yes he can. I was told he will bring some more of the elements he used at Hawaii while the OC there and combine that with what he was doing at Navy. So look for them to run the option and use some run and shoot concepts in the passing game. He said they wont run much.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 17, 2007 18:16:20 GMT -6
define "work"
I mean if someone installs the flex bone do they have to win a major bowl or its a complete failure? its not just about offense...theres defense, special teams and managing personnel and of course some luck...
...now, will the option offense be productive? I know it would. If an offense is considered an "equalizer" when there is limited or less talent why in the world would anyone think that having more talent would somehow limit the equalizer benefits???
itll work. It depends too on whos coaching it. coaching matters.
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Post by dubber on Dec 17, 2007 19:41:21 GMT -6
to go along somewhat coach calande
we need to answer this question:
Will Johnson recruit a higher level of talent at GT than he would at Navy?
Most of us would say "yes"
Air Force took Tenn to the ropes a few years ago.......what if they had D1 talent?
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Post by tripleoption61 on Dec 18, 2007 9:17:01 GMT -6
PJ might not get the "TOP TEN recruiting Classes". But I promise you that he will get kids that can play and they will have character. He will find kids that fit his system and want to win and get an education. If you ask me I would rather have this type of kid than a kid thats been hyped up by rivals or scout and has an ego problem.
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