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Post by nltdiego on Jul 27, 2016 12:58:24 GMT -6
I know middle school and pop warner programs do tryouts. However, once they get to high school this stops.
Do you have tryouts? With the integrity of football in jeopardy with concussions, should we have tryouts for safety reasons.
Curious what other schools do and looking for ideas especially since we have a few kids (1-4) that could get hurt if they played in a game.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Jul 27, 2016 13:20:55 GMT -6
If you have kids who wouldn't be safe in a game, don't put them in a game.
There's 3 or 4 kids we currently have, where they may never see the field. But, football is probably the only thing they have going good in their lives, so that's fine with me.
We've never had tryouts, and probably never will.
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Post by klaby on Jul 27, 2016 15:29:16 GMT -6
Try outs at the youth level is one of the problems we have with numbers. These daddy coaches screw kids up and then they get to their junior year and they are 6'3" 260 and want nothing to do with football. Why because when he was in 5th grade he was 4 foot nothing and 70 lbs....and some Joey Lombardi told him he couldn't play....
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Post by chi5hi on Jul 27, 2016 19:23:47 GMT -6
Tryouts are the vehicle for determining who becomes a starter. That is the limit of tryouts in our program. No one is "cut" from the team.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 27, 2016 22:25:02 GMT -6
Absolutely not. If a kid cones to practice and participates we aren't turning them away.
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Post by nltdiego on Jul 28, 2016 0:42:05 GMT -6
What if they can't finish a practice???
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Post by **** on Jul 28, 2016 3:57:43 GMT -6
I wish every boy in the school played football.
Having been at a school were I only had 16 players one season, numbers solve a lot of problems.
We currently have 1 SpEd kid on our team. He is just happy to be out there with us and apart of something.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Jul 28, 2016 12:26:40 GMT -6
I wish every boy in the school played football. Having been at a school were I only had 16 players one season, numbers solve a lot of problems. We currently have 1 SpEd kid on our team. He is just happy to be out there with us and apart of something. We have a SPED kid as well. Everybody knows this about him, so they aren't going to roll him if he's out there. He actually came after school started last year, so he only did JV. But, when we let him dress varsity for the first time, everybody cheered and the captains took him to pick out his jersey and all of his game gear. It was a nice moment. If you have players who understand how to handle SPED kids, it's great for everybody involved if they're on the team. |
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Post by bluboy on Jul 28, 2016 14:00:59 GMT -6
We do not cut anyone, but not everyone gets to suit for a varsity game or play in a varsity game. All seniors who have been in the program for four years get to suit for games, and they get to play (those who are not regulars) when the time comes. All juniors who have been in the program for three years get to suit/play same as seniors. Sophs have to earn the right to dress for varsity games(unless on the first two teams). These guys don't always get a chance to play in varsity games unless it is a blow-out; we do have both junior varsity and soph games.
We adhere to the philosophy that every kid who comes to practice, weights, or whatever deserves our respect and an opportunity to play when that opportunity arises.
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Post by carookie on Jul 28, 2016 14:28:23 GMT -6
Why would we want to cut kids? If being a part of the program is a benefit then I would want as many to benefit as possible. As long as we have enough uniforms, and they are willing to work and follow the rules (ie not hurt the team) I would gladly want them out there.
I was at a school once in AZ that was slowly becoming a dominant power, and as such the numbers were growing huge (primarily on the lower levels). Had a parent complain to us at the end of the season that we should have just cut their child, as opposed to keeping them on the team and them only getting limited PT.
As others have mentioned, I too have had SPED kids on the team, and you just have to be cognizant about it. But once again it benefits them.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jul 28, 2016 18:34:33 GMT -6
I know middle school and pop warner programs do tryouts. However, once they get to high school this stops. Do you have tryouts? With the integrity of football in jeopardy with concussions, should we have tryouts for safety reasons. Curious what other schools do and looking for ideas especially since we have a few kids (1-4) that could get hurt if they played in a game. What is the benefit to cutting? If they would legitimately get hurt don't play them...the more you have that are pulling in the same direction philosophically the better you are |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 28, 2016 19:24:08 GMT -6
kids only cut themselves
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 6:28:54 GMT -6
The first 4 practices of our season are try outs and allow players to find a position they are comfortable with. While we have limited roster spaces per position we don't cut players unless it's obvious that they are physically incapable of playing the sport without getting injured. For those on the cusp, we have a development squad of about 10-12 players. These guys don't get a lot of game time but still practice with the team with the aim of improving and securing a roster spot in the following year.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 29, 2016 7:24:28 GMT -6
The only time I've seen it was when logistics made the situation untenable, like when there were simply more kids than helmets, or more kids than two buses could physically hold.
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Post by mhcoach on Jul 29, 2016 7:34:41 GMT -6
When I coached travel ball back in Brooklyn(when hector was a pup) we were limited to a 40 man roster. Some years we had 120 come out for the team. The hardest thing you ever have to do is tell a player he didn't make the squad. I thank God we don't cut anyone. Even as an 8A school we get huge numbers but never cut a player.
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Post by orion320 on Jul 29, 2016 8:33:50 GMT -6
We've never had tryouts but I kind of wish we did this year. We probably have 10 kids that will never touch the field and won't really help us in practice. They are drill killers.
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Post by nltdiego on Jul 29, 2016 23:40:37 GMT -6
We've never had tryouts but I kind of wish we did this year. We probably have 10 kids that will never touch the field and won't really help us in practice. They are drill killers. Exactly! So what do you do? |
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 29, 2016 23:53:42 GMT -6
We've never had tryouts but I kind of wish we did this year. We probably have 10 kids that will never touch the field and won't really help us in practice. They are drill killers. Exactly! So what do you do? one thing we have started doing is just flat out not giving these kids any reps that interfere with the kids who will actually play what I mean by that is i have 2 OL who i can not put in a game because not only would they get killed, they would get someone else killed i use them as mobile bags... they provide great targets when we work pulls or screen drills for my OL they are happy to be a part of the team, they arent getting killed by them, we run to our landmark, buzz our feet and just touch them more for tracking guys than anything we start most practices with a "motion" period we work jet and WR runs, our WR motions into blocks only 6 of our WRs get to work this drill because they're the only ones i would ever let do it in a game all the other WRs are either working stalk blocking while this is happening, or they are serving as "dummys" in some fashion they all got spring ball, and 5-6 weeks of summer to "try out" and show what they can do we told them all (all positions) reps would be cut by the end of July the better players need the reps I actually had a harder time selling a coach on this than i did the players his heart was in the right place, because he "wants to make every one better, and it's our job to make them better" but we can't do that at the price of making our other players worse the better players werent getting enough reps as we wasted ones on them another deciding factor for me, was all of the kids we essentially demoted ...are seniors... and not even athletic seniors who still have a chance... they have no chance to improve enough to help us between now and december they get to be a part of the team, work in to some indy drills here and there fill in on scout team occasionally and wear a jersey on the sideline every friday night |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 30, 2016 8:33:31 GMT -6
nltdiego Do you want anyone on your team? First you wanted to kick off those who didn't come in the summer, now you want to kick off those who aren't talented enough to play... I mean, you aren't at Notre Dame. Anyone can coach All Americans. If you think someone is seriously at risk of injuring themselves and can't protect themselves and it is a serious issue for you to have to structure practice to protect them, have a meeting with the AD and ask for his/her advice.
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Post by blb on Jul 30, 2016 8:51:54 GMT -6
I never cut anybody, never would.
One year we had a young man with Special Needs who was severely obese come out. We let him practice the first week.
It quickly became apparent that he was in such poor physical condition he couldn't finish our Warm-up and during hitting drills he was incapable of protecting himself. So we counseled him and his parents that he should not play but if he wanted to remain a part of the program we would welcome him as a manager.
16 years later he's still working with the program in that capacity.
That's as close to "cutting" as I ever came.
The one caveat is - if you keep kids who literally can't play and then you don't play them in games, you and your administration will still hear about it from the parents. |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2016 9:21:37 GMT -6
Most coaches on here are trying to get MORE kids to come out for the team, not run them off.
I don't get it. I guess I don't understand the context and situation.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 30, 2016 9:23:25 GMT -6
Some kids need football more than football needs them. Has been said numerous times on here by coaches much smarter than I am. Sometimes we need to back up and remember why we do what we do. We were just talking about how coaching is a calling and in some or most places now days it's almost a ministry! Love winning, love competing, love getting after it, love the x and o's of it all but the way things are going in our world now our staff is committed to being good role models for our players and trying to impact their lives in a positive way. Our current school has kids from all backgrounds and dealing with things kids shouldn't have to. Regardless of their ability on the field we want all our guys exposed to some positive things. Most kids that suck know they suck, but if they keep coming back and are all in why cut them? Could never imagine cutting a kid and having them miss out on the so so so so so many lessons football can teach.
Maybe I'm getting soft as I get older or am not old school enough with that thinking but we have a great responsibility as coaches and are trusted by many people to do some good for the kids. It goes way beyond what happens between the lines.
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 30, 2016 9:27:48 GMT -6
If you're talking tryout as in 'formal assessment of skills to determine who belongs where', then yeah, we tryout from January to August with our weights classes and summer lifting. We had a 'tryout' last weekend at a 7 on 7 where two of my JV boys proved that they could hang with the varsity competition, so now I get to start planning my league campaign knowing that I won't have those two. If you're talking tryout to cut people from the team, nope. carookie nailed it, "If being a part of the program is a benefit then I would want as many to benefit as possible." You're only cut if you cut yourself and most of our guys do that in the offseason. We get them transferred out of the lifting classes and wish them best of luck. The program I came from had a problem where over 100 kids would come out for the varsity team and honestly 55-60 of them were just dudes that wanted a jersey. Once the season started, most of them just wouldn't get reps in anything. When you have 33 OL/DL and 19 ILBs, you're doing your starters and your team a disservice to let anyone past the 2s or 3s to get reps. Since they started making the offseason a more rigorous requirement, they've gone down to 'only' 60 or so and that's really helped them. |
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Post by blb on Jul 30, 2016 9:29:38 GMT -6
Some kids need football more than football needs them. Has been said numerous times on here by coaches much smarter than I am. Sometimes we need to back up and remember why we do what we do. We were just talking about how coaching is a calling and in some or most places now days it's almost a ministry! Love winning, love competing, love getting after it, love the x and o's of it all but the way things are going in our world now our staff is committed to being good role models for our players and trying to impact their lives in a positive way. Our current school has kids from all backgrounds and dealing with things kids shouldn't have to. Regardless of their ability on the field we want all our guys exposed to some positive things. Most kids that suck know they suck, but if they keep coming back and are all in why cut them? Could never imagine cutting a kid and having them miss out on the so so so so so many lessons football can teach. Maybe I'm getting soft as I get older or am not old school enough with that thinking but we have a great responsibility as coaches and are trusted by many people to do some good for the kids. It goes way beyond what happens between the lines.
Very tough to espouse all the benefits of playing Football and then deny them from some kids.
It's not a Zero-Sum deal.
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Post by fantom on Jul 30, 2016 9:49:25 GMT -6
If you're talking tryout as in 'formal assessment of skills to determine who belongs where', then yeah, we tryout from January to August with our weights classes and summer lifting. We had a 'tryout' last weekend at a 7 on 7 where two of my JV boys proved that they could hang with the varsity competition, so now I get to start planning my league campaign knowing that I won't have those two. If you're talking tryout to cut people from the team, nope. carookie nailed it, "If being a part of the program is a benefit then I would want as many to benefit as possible." You're only cut if you cut yourself and most of our guys do that in the offseason. We get them transferred out of the lifting classes and wish them best of luck. The program I came from had a problem where over 100 kids would come out for the varsity team and honestly 55-60 of them were just dudes that wanted a jersey. Once the season started, most of them just wouldn't get reps in anything. When you have 33 OL/DL and 19 ILBs, you're doing your starters and your team a disservice to let anyone past the 2s or 3s to get reps. Since they started making the offseason a more rigorous requirement, they've gone down to 'only' 60 or so and that's really helped them. Once we get into game prep we only give reps in group work to 1's and 2's, plus maybe a couple of young guys who are pushing to break into the 2's and, maybe eventually, 1's. The others get their reps in indy but there isn't time to give pity reps in group and team. They'll be bag holders and scout teamers and if they want a chance to move up they'd better show something there. If you're going to keep kids who aren't physically able to protect themselves in a game, even a blowout, I think that you owe it to them to call them in and tell them their status. If they want to stay on the team under those circumstances, fine. If they want to help in some other capacity-manager, film work, stats- we'd welcome them (Those kids are harder to find than players. Incidentally, that's what we tell the players when we talk to them about treating managers with respect.). If they want to walk away, no hard feelings. It rarely happens with the varsity. We'd also be hesitant to get rid of an underclassman. Kids' bodies change. |
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 30, 2016 10:43:31 GMT -6
If you're talking tryout as in 'formal assessment of skills to determine who belongs where', then yeah, we tryout from January to August with our weights classes and summer lifting. We had a 'tryout' last weekend at a 7 on 7 where two of my JV boys proved that they could hang with the varsity competition, so now I get to start planning my league campaign knowing that I won't have those two. If you're talking tryout to cut people from the team, nope. carookie nailed it, "If being a part of the program is a benefit then I would want as many to benefit as possible." You're only cut if you cut yourself and most of our guys do that in the offseason. We get them transferred out of the lifting classes and wish them best of luck. The program I came from had a problem where over 100 kids would come out for the varsity team and honestly 55-60 of them were just dudes that wanted a jersey. Once the season started, most of them just wouldn't get reps in anything. When you have 33 OL/DL and 19 ILBs, you're doing your starters and your team a disservice to let anyone past the 2s or 3s to get reps. Since they started making the offseason a more rigorous requirement, they've gone down to 'only' 60 or so and that's really helped them. Once we get into game prep we only give reps in group work to 1's and 2's, plus maybe a couple of young guys who are pushing to break into the 2's and, maybe eventually, 1's. The others get their reps in indy but there isn't time to give pity reps in group and team. They'll be bag holders and scout teamers and if they want a chance to move up they'd better show something there. If you're going to keep kids who aren't physically able to protect themselves in a game, even a blowout, I think that you owe it to them to call them in and tell them their status. If they want to stay on the team under those circumstances, fine. If they want to help in some other capacity-manager, film work, stats- we'd welcome them (Those kids are harder to find than players. Incidentally, that's what we tell the players when we talk to them about treating managers with respect.). If they want to walk away, no hard feelings. It rarely happens with the varsity. We'd also be hesitant to get rid of an underclassman. Kids' bodies change. Not only do you owe it to the kids, it's pretty solid CYA, too. |
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Post by 33coach on Jul 30, 2016 11:33:39 GMT -6
Nope no tryouts. We take everyone we can.
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Post by klaby on Aug 8, 2016 11:43:04 GMT -6
WOW...I guess there are a ton you guys that have 2-3 levels of stud players out there. No reps? really? must be nice to know that you will never need a 3rd-4th string kid to play because 1s and 2s never get hurt....or suspended.... I tell this story to every kid. We had a OL who was small and couldn't lift his own weight, between frosh and soph years he dedicated himself to the weight room, grew 4 inches and put on 60lbs of muscle....you just don't know when the light will go on. Limit reps yes, no reps....hmmm...
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Post by nltdiego on Aug 8, 2016 12:29:48 GMT -6
What if the kid is a turd and is the weak link?
I will take the Rudy like kids. What about kid who missed summer, is of shape for tryouts and can't finish a practice.
You keep that kid?
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Post by 19delta on Aug 8, 2016 13:01:05 GMT -6
What if the kid is a turd and is the weak link? I will take the Rudy like kids. What about kid who missed summer, is of shape for tryouts and can't finish a practice. You keep that kid? How is he a weak link if he isn't playing in the game? The kids you are talking about ultimately cut themselves. |
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