eric58
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Post by eric58 on Jul 26, 2016 20:06:48 GMT -6
Do any teams split their practices O/D everyday during the season? Our HC plan is to do that and I think it sets us back because now I get 20 minutes of indy and that's it. Just seeing if others do and how it works out. Thanks
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 26, 2016 20:12:40 GMT -6
Do any teams split their practices O/D everyday during the season? Our HC plan is to do that and I think it sets us back because now I get 20 minutes of indy and that's it. Just seeing if others do and how it works out. Thanks I assume you are talking about teams where kids learn an offensive and defensive position (one platoon). I would think that almost all two platoon teams would practice o/d everyday--otherwise it would seem that you loose the advantage two platooning gets you. I know one platoon teams that have "emphasis" days, but practice both each day.
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Post by eric58 on Jul 26, 2016 20:16:08 GMT -6
Sorry I should have clarified. We have 35 players total for varsity and jv. We practice together and the coach wants to do both O/D in two weeks. Whereas before at other schools I would get close to an hour of indy's with my linemen. Now I will only get 20 minutes due to special teams, team O/D, and conditioning.
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Post by dijackson08 on Jul 26, 2016 20:37:15 GMT -6
Shoot 20 is good for a 2-way team. I only get 10-15 tops! I feel your pain I also came from a big school that gave me 40-60 minutes.
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Post by 60zgo on Jul 26, 2016 20:55:40 GMT -6
Become more effective with your time. Less talk more reps, water on the run, etc. Think 80/20 rule. What techniques can I teach that will give me the most bang for my buck? 20 minutes is plenty of time at small schools... Remember that your opponents are facing the same problems.
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Post by tabs52 on Jul 26, 2016 21:03:24 GMT -6
Last year we did that where we did both during a practice and I hated it. This year we are having a offense day focus and defense focus day. When you only 10 minutes of indy one day and you had to install all new line blocking schemes every week you didn't get much drill work done
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Post by coachklee on Jul 26, 2016 21:05:35 GMT -6
Facts: We are a school of about 500 & had about 50 players last year & should be just over 60 players this year. We run a Flexbone Offense & 4-3 / Even Front Defense.
Pre-season OL Indy Skill Work: Average around 30 Minutes a day on Run & probably 10-15 on Pass. Plan it out & steal run or pass time as needed based on your offense. In the pre-season I might completely skip pass time during some offensive 7-on-7...if our OC even does it to instead work on some aspect of the run game.
In-Season OL Indy Skill Work: Average is 20 or less per day Run & Pass (I try to get most my pass blocking review during DL pass rush)...openly explain to your kids that all of practice is both O/D practice & this is an example of stealing time.
Lastly, make some drills competitive. Try to make teams even & then have a reward or consequence...we'll do reach-the-reacher, pass pro vs pas rush, King of the boards, trap-the-trapper & my favorite M & M.
PM me with your e-mail for my OL & DL manuals as they will explain most of these drills better.
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Post by cookiemonster on Jul 26, 2016 21:22:06 GMT -6
I would ask to keep the OL off ST beesides x-pnt if possible and see if he would let you steal time there.
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Post by tabs52 on Jul 27, 2016 6:57:30 GMT -6
We try to keep most of them off because they wouldn't help us but some of our better athletes are along the line, also with our roster size its tough to get enough quality on those teams without using them.
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Post by blb on Jul 27, 2016 7:05:23 GMT -6
30 years as HC, we practiced both every day.
But except during Two-a-Days/Pre-Season practice the time spent wasn't equal, i.e. one day would be more on Defense, next on Offense, etc.
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Post by cqmiller on Jul 27, 2016 7:29:22 GMT -6
We go both... ends up being about an hour of both off and def with 20-30 min of special teams. 2.5 hour practice.
Our plan on offense is usually: 20 min indy 15 min inside run (half-line or 9on7) 15 min pass (7on7 with OL working 1on1's or 9on9 with half of OL live vs DL) 10 min scripted Team
As the season goes on... we cut the indy down to about 10 and increase the team. Need less skill teaching and more review. End up with about 15 min of each for average throughout the year. Doing 15 min of indy 3 days a week is 45 min of individual time a week. If you are efficient as a coach, have your stuff setup, and can minimize transitions, that is plenty of time to do drills in a week.
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Post by 33coach on Jul 27, 2016 8:51:12 GMT -6
Do any teams split their practices O/D everyday during the season? Our HC plan is to do that and I think it sets us back because now I get 20 minutes of indy and that's it. Just seeing if others do and how it works out. Thanks we do. with a small squad i think it helps mix things up and keeps them fresh. our plan right now looks like this: Offensive Period 10 min -- Team Takeoff 10 min -- Blocking (Shoulder Skills, etc - in Position groups) 20 min -- Indies 10 min -- mixed Group OR Team - depends on the day Defensive Period 10 min -- Tackling (in position groups) 20 min -- indies 10 min -- Mixed Group (7s & OL vs DL) 10 min -- Pursuit 10 min -- Team we are pretty much on the dot out of there by the 2 hour mark (helps to have alot of coaches this year) but you have to be really effective at time management.... a few things: 1) Practice only 'On First Sound' cadence 2) Dont Shift or Motion in practice unless its a dedicated drill - use Team time for that 3) Correct mistakes in 3 words or less, dont defend your doctoral dissertation on the field 4) have water bottles at your work out area (at the back of wherever your lines form) those 4 things alone will save you a ton of time.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 27, 2016 8:54:04 GMT -6
Do any teams split their practices O/D everyday during the season? Our HC plan is to do that and I think it sets us back because now I get 20 minutes of indy and that's it. Just seeing if others do and how it works out. Thanks we do. with a small squad i think it helps mix things up and keeps them fresh. our plan right now looks like this: Offensive Period 10 min -- Team Takeoff 10 min -- Blocking (Shoulder Skills, etc - in Position groups) 20 min -- Indies 10 min -- mixed Group OR Team - depends on the day Defensive Period 10 min -- Tackling (in position groups) 20 min -- indies 10 min -- Mixed Group (7s & OL vs DL) 10 min -- Pursuit 10 min -- Team we are pretty much on the dot out of there by the 2 hour mark (helps to have alot of coaches this year) but you have to be really effective at time management.... a few things: 1) Practice only 'On First Sound' cadence 2) Dont Shift or Motion in practice unless its a dedicated drill - use Team time for that 3) Correct mistakes in 3 words or less, dont defend your doctoral dissertation on the field 4) have water bottles at your work out area (at the back of wherever your lines form) those 4 things alone will save you a ton of time. I would be cautious implementing #1 on this list.
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Post by 33coach on Jul 27, 2016 8:56:23 GMT -6
we do. with a small squad i think it helps mix things up and keeps them fresh. our plan right now looks like this: Offensive Period 10 min -- Team Takeoff 10 min -- Blocking (Shoulder Skills, etc - in Position groups) 20 min -- Indies 10 min -- mixed Group OR Team - depends on the day Defensive Period 10 min -- Tackling (in position groups) 20 min -- indies 10 min -- Mixed Group (7s & OL vs DL) 10 min -- Pursuit 10 min -- Team we are pretty much on the dot out of there by the 2 hour mark (helps to have alot of coaches this year) but you have to be really effective at time management.... a few things: 1) Practice only 'On First Sound' cadence 2) Dont Shift or Motion in practice unless its a dedicated drill - use Team time for that 3) Correct mistakes in 3 words or less, dont defend your doctoral dissertation on the field 4) have water bottles at your work out area (at the back of wherever your lines form) those 4 things alone will save you a ton of time. I would be cautious implementing #1 on this list. Team periods are for mixed cadences, indie drills are not.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 27, 2016 8:58:13 GMT -6
I would be cautious implementing #1 on this list. Team periods are for mixed cadences, indie drills are not. I get that is the common practice. Not sure if I agree with it. The extra second you gain might not be worth it. Just institute a policy that IF the kid jumps in the drill, play on. No reset. Then perhaps punish after. And obviously defense goes on movement only, but I figure you are just referring to offense anyway.
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Post by carookie on Jul 27, 2016 9:24:56 GMT -6
It shouldnt make that much difference if you are tight on your transitions. If you had all day Tuesday say 2 hours, to do defense and of that you had 30 minutes of Indy; then I am sure with 1 hour each on Tuesday and Wednesday you could get 15 min for each day (equaling the same 30 minutes). This is assuming you basically just take what you were doing previously and divide it in half for each of the respective days.
6 of one, half dozen of the other.
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Post by bluboy on Jul 27, 2016 9:56:42 GMT -6
We practice offense and defense every day using a schedule similar to those above.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 27, 2016 10:34:38 GMT -6
yes we do
i am a big believer in it
i would rather have some time every single day
then a ton of time just 2 days
i break up the practice days similar to how i discuss install schedule on my blog
only rather than 3 day split, i cut day 3 in half, and add it to day 1 and 2
so now i have the offense divided into 2 days
monday is game plan, new install, fix anything that is really broken
tuesday is O day 1 wednesday is O day 2
thursday is pre game review and we are ready to roll
I dont work EVERY drill during indy, i work drills relevant to what schemes i have that day
essentially a gap scheme day, and a zone day
if it is a power/counter day i am working down blocks and pulls... not bucket reach block steps
lets me divide my time more easily
and then you have to be stealing extra OL indy time (i will use for pass pro time) during special teams
in most cases no reason to put fat kids on anything but PAT so we have divided up every ST unit into position coaches...
i am the OL coach for PAT, and I am free in every other ST that way I can coach the big guys
none of my OL will be on KO/KOR/Punt so that is an extra 15 minutes per day i get with them
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Post by fantom on Jul 27, 2016 15:50:31 GMT -6
Do any teams split their practices O/D everyday during the season? Our HC plan is to do that and I think it sets us back because now I get 20 minutes of indy and that's it. Just seeing if others do and how it works out. Thanks Tuesday's offensive day for us and Wednesday's defense. We do have a short (10 minute) period for the other side on those days.
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Post by tabs52 on Jul 27, 2016 20:20:42 GMT -6
Fantom How has that worked out for your team. We are switching to that format this year.
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Post by fantom on Jul 27, 2016 20:47:30 GMT -6
Fantom How has that worked out for your team. We are switching to that format this year. We've done OK.
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Post by hsrose on Jul 27, 2016 22:27:40 GMT -6
I've never been at a HS team that platooned so I have never had practice any other way than splitting time between O&D. Warm up, indy, group, team kicking, flip to the other side and repeat, conditioning. Try to get things done in the 2 hrs you might have. I have detailed past schedules if anyone wants a copy.
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Post by realdawg on Jul 28, 2016 3:20:05 GMT -6
We do it. I like it. Whats the difference in getting 20 min every day and 40 min every other day?
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Post by **** on Jul 28, 2016 3:40:18 GMT -6
Sorry I should have clarified. We have 35 players total for varsity and jv. We practice together and the coach wants to do both O/D in two weeks. Whereas before at other schools I would get close to an hour of indy's with my linemen. Now I will only get 20 minutes due to special teams, team O/D, and conditioning. You would get an hour of individual time??
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Post by blb on Jul 28, 2016 9:46:27 GMT -6
Fantom How has that worked out for your team. We are switching to that format this year. We've done OK.
Ha ha.
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