CoachAc
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Post by CoachAc on Mar 18, 2006 11:11:52 GMT -6
Is it better to get experience in a not so good program then to not get any at all? Im wondering if what'll Ill pick up and learn will be right or just be, if that makes sense. Has anyone started out in a not so good program and benefited form it in the long run? And has it made you a better person and/or coach?
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Post by Coach Huey on Mar 18, 2006 11:18:39 GMT -6
i didn't start out in a no so good program but ended up in one for a season (long story as to how i went there). what made it miserable weren't the coaches i worked with ... those guys were great, were good coaches, and i'm close to many still to this day. what made it miserable was the community views & administrations committment. that bled over to the players and the whole atmosphere wasn't conducive to a great work ethic (do all the little things right, go "above & beyond" type attitude). we did some good things that i took with me. i wouldn't go back to a situation like that, but i gained experience & insight i otherwise wouldn't have had i not taken a coaching job that year.
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FF/Coach
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Post by FF/Coach on Mar 18, 2006 11:58:07 GMT -6
I also have have experienced what Huey is talking about. The program I am with now started very rough 7 years ago, the current HC was hired 14 days prior to the start of season, follow the sudden resignation of the previous HC (for unknown reasons).
That 1st year the team went 0-9, the staff was filled with coaches from the previous administration (a few of which felt they should have been the HC) and the leadership wasn't there. Over the next couple of season faces changes and the staff became cohesive. through those years however there were parents and "players" throughout the community that wanted the staff fired, ("little Johnny is the best player they have and he's on the bench", "those guys don't known what their doing, their going to get someone hurt out there" "they want me to bring little Johnny in here at 06:00 in the morning to lift those damn weights, weights just make you muscle bound he won't be able to move) you name it we heard it.
The school administration stayed behind us though and we continued to work the players and ourselves hard. In the 4th year the program won 9 games and went to the Quarterfinals in the playoffs. This past season the program won the Schools 1st ever State title. I guess what I am saying is even community views can be changed if you believe in what you are doing, and the kids believe in you.
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Post by texasokie on Mar 21, 2006 10:48:38 GMT -6
Yes. Most coaches do their best coaching jobs when they have the least amount of talent. That pressure to win makes them learn and ask about different ways to do things. When you have talent, coaches sometimes tend to think it is all because of their great coaching, when in fact ability is making all the plays. That being said, I learned more from being in a bad situation once because I wanted to turn it around bad enough that it forced me to learn every position on the field in a short time frame and start making progress. It will only make you more grateful for those good jobs that you may end up in later on in life.
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Post by seagull73 on Mar 21, 2006 11:06:31 GMT -6
I have been in some real bad programs and I learned more form the bad coaches. You get to see 1st hand the consequences of being lazy and not demanding commitment.
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Post by brophy on Mar 21, 2006 11:13:39 GMT -6
sometimes the BEST experience is learning how NOT to do things....
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Post by tog on Mar 21, 2006 11:16:33 GMT -6
sometimes the BEST experience is learning how NOT to do things.... this can get old real fast though |
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herky
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Post by herky on Mar 21, 2006 11:16:43 GMT -6
sometimes the BEST experience is learning how NOT to do things.... Exactly. The less than ideal situations can be very 'good' experiences in the scope of your career. |
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Post by tog on Mar 21, 2006 11:19:18 GMT -6
sometimes the BEST experience is learning how NOT to do things.... Exactly. The less than ideal situations can be very 'good' experiences in the scope of your career. not anywhere near as good as WINNING |
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Post by brophy on Mar 21, 2006 11:29:43 GMT -6
keep it up, tog....and I'm going to have to find you a violin...  |
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herky
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Post by herky on Mar 21, 2006 11:32:02 GMT -6
Thanks, brophy!
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Post by JMC on Mar 21, 2006 12:12:15 GMT -6
I've been around my share of coaches. A young coach who knew everything that anyone could know coming from being a J.V. assistant directly to a varsity head coach. On the other hand i've been around the coach who has coach for 10 years and won........because of talent how do I know it was talent cause when the talent went down he had his first losing season. It was like texasokiesaid in his post, when we have talent we are spoiled into thinking we are good coaches. The coach that had won all the games, during the down year everytime a suggestion was made you heard "i've won 75% of my games since i've been here and i've never had to do that before." However he ended up taking a 2 day hiatus one week during the season saying he "needed to recharge his batteries." leaving the coaches that he would not listen to in charge of preparing his team. At the end of the season he was willing to change some of the things he had done in the past, however it took losing to change his mind.
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Post by brophy on Mar 21, 2006 12:18:33 GMT -6
when we have talent we are spoiled into thinking we are good coaches. EXACTLY! The more WORK we have to do, the better we get....whether or not there are immediate results from that work. |
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Post by rig on Mar 21, 2006 12:39:44 GMT -6
I started coaching at a school and thought I was in a good situation. After the first year the parents ran the AD out and a new AD came in. She hated football and within 2 years the HC and the AD were doing anything they could to get each other fired. For some reason I was a pawn in their little war games and it got to be too much so I left a paid OC position and volunteered at a new school.
My first year at the new school was hard. I was treated as a "hay you" but after a few games, they decided I might know something about football. At 1-6 the HC had me call the offense and we ended 3-7. The HC promised me a paid position as DC and told me thing would change next year. The next year I was the DC but the paid position went to someone else.
The next year was one of the toughest ever. The HC's wife passed away early in the season after a long battle with cancer. Without getting into details, some very ugly things happened and the HC was asked by the administation to take the rest of the year off. The HC quit (I believe he was going to be fired anyway) and one of the assistants was elevated to HC.
Through all these tough times I stayed focused on the players and developing them as football players and young men. It is those relationships that have helped me grow as a coach and a person. Even in the ugliest of situation, that is what kept me going and focused.
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Post by airman on Mar 21, 2006 18:26:30 GMT -6
my first year of coaching I did not know any better. I was a student teacher and man I was in the program from you know where.
i learn more about what not to do then what to do.
my big beef with football coaches is how they treat the assistant coaches. I played at a h.s. where if the freshman coach caught you doing some thing bad he would do the punishment. they had one staff.
my first year I was the freshman coach with another guy who hardly showed up. he was a non staff coach.
i could only coach the freshman even if I saw one of the varsity players doing some thing wrong.
IMO, if you are a football coach you are a football coach not just the freshman coach or the soph caoch or jv coach. it would not be so bad but then the varsity coach wanted us to scout or sit in the box so the varsity coaches coudl be on the sidelines.
i would never ask a freshman or soph coach to do stuff for varsity but then let them have no say.
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Post by coachjd on Mar 21, 2006 18:49:55 GMT -6
IMO being around any program is a great experience. Getting an opportunity to coach football to kids. Yes, losing sucks and I don't think I could handle a lot of losing over the long haul, but as all the post have said, having a plan, working your butt off and coaching the heck out of the kids can be a lot of fun, except for the scoreboard.
Coachac, there is a lot to be learned in this game, and I believe it was brophy that said, "the best experiences can be on how not to do things". I think that is a great point. I think you should coach and learn no matter good or bad. Make the best of it, work your butt off and have fun coaching the kids.
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CoachAc
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Post by CoachAc on Mar 22, 2006 8:55:15 GMT -6
The relationships that Ive built withthe kids is the only reason I am still there honestly, I havent been there long, Im the youngest coach on the staff and the only black one which may or may not have anything to do with it. But at times its more or less like talking to the side of a barn. Nothing gets threw nothing gets absorbed and it feels like a waste of my breath. But the kids respect more than i could have imagined and I believ that I ve taught them alot in my short time even tho its mostly the fundamentals, since they didnt know what the fundamentals were. I am doing everything that I feel I can to make the most of the situation but its been tough. I never had a losing season in high school, we made the playoffs every season, I never had a losing season in college we always played for the conference championship then to come here and not even be 500, and the HC not even be receptive to new ideas is ROUGH. But anyway Im ranting gentlemen THANX FOR THE ADVICE
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