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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 25, 2016 20:16:49 GMT -6
Its a lie; in the context that he is presenting it (too people in that field, in order to sell a product) it's an exaggeration meant to imply he is more experienced then he is. He wasn't a college coach anymore then I coached for the Detroit Lions when I worked some youth camps. I mean, my check did say "coach" and came from the Detroit Lions..... do I list have NFL experience on my resume now? I mean, I worked with NFL players (they showed up to the camps....). To me, the answer is pretty cut and dry - Who did you coach for? If that answer isn't Position X for School Y for Years Z... then he wasn't a coach. I once coached with an "intern" who REGULARLY drew up scout cards or showed us plays that his school ran with the wrong number of players on the field and talked about all the guys they had recruited that ran Sub 4 40s. With all that said - If the articles are good then it shouldn't matter if he has college experience or not. But It's a lie meant to separate people from their money. I definitely have a problem with that. I disagree with such a generalized statement. I as mentioned above, I broke into Division 1 ball as a "student asst" at an FCS school. By the 2nd week of camp I was running the defensive scout team as well as cutting up offensive and defensive film, making film exchanges, coordinating all the video etc. By 1st game I was meeting separately with Centers and Guards, monitoring their academics working separately with them during parts of individual time, and had my own recruiting area. I was still "a student assistant" in title. In reality, I was an unpaid position coach 6 weeks into my first college experience. The other student assistant was setting up equipment for the d-line at practice, holding up scout cards while a position coach directed the offensive scout team and charting plays in the press box during games. So I disagree with your thought process SPECIFICALLY because of guys like the intern you worked with. I did not see myself as an "student asst" because most identified student asst as what the other guy was doing. This author might not see himself as a guy like you worked with. It is a matter of perspective.
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Post by coachks on Jul 25, 2016 20:47:58 GMT -6
Its a lie; in the context that he is presenting it (too people in that field, in order to sell a product) it's an exaggeration meant to imply he is more experienced then he is. He wasn't a college coach anymore then I coached for the Detroit Lions when I worked some youth camps. I mean, my check did say "coach" and came from the Detroit Lions..... do I list have NFL experience on my resume now? I mean, I worked with NFL players (they showed up to the camps....). To me, the answer is pretty cut and dry - Who did you coach for? If that answer isn't Position X for School Y for Years Z... then he wasn't a coach. I once coached with an "intern" who REGULARLY drew up scout cards or showed us plays that his school ran with the wrong number of players on the field and talked about all the guys they had recruited that ran Sub 4 40s. With all that said - If the articles are good then it shouldn't matter if he has college experience or not. But It's a lie meant to separate people from their money. I definitely have a problem with that. I disagree with such a generalized statement. I as mentioned above, I broke into Division 1 ball as a "student asst" at an FCS school. By the 2nd week of camp I was running the defensive scout team as well as cutting up offensive and defensive film, making film exchanges, coordinating all the video etc. By 1st game I was meeting separately with Centers and Guards, monitoring their academics working separately with them during parts of individual time, and had my own recruiting area. I was still "a student assistant" in title. In reality, I was an unpaid position coach 6 weeks into my first college experience. The other student assistant was setting up equipment for the d-line at practice, holding up scout cards while a position coach directed the offensive scout team and charting plays in the press box during games. So I disagree with your thought process SPECIFICALLY because of guys like the intern you worked with. I did not see myself as an "student asst" because most identified student asst as what the other guy was doing. This author might not see himself as a guy like you worked with. It is a matter of perspective. If you were putting it on a resume - What would you list? If they called your Head Coach, would he say you were an intern or the assistant OL coach? That is really the only question that matters here. If you would list - Interior OL Coach - Blank University - 1998-1999 then I don't have an issue with it. To me, that is not a matter of perspective and it does not matter if you see yourself as better then the other Interns or not. Most people see themselves different from how everyone else sees them - Thats why people get titles and positions that can be verified - so I can't "basically be the Head Coach" because I think I know more then the other guy. The "ethical" portion of the question is why is he doing it? To make money, by claiming to be more then he was.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 25, 2016 21:46:46 GMT -6
I disagree with such a generalized statement. I as mentioned above, I broke into Division 1 ball as a "student asst" at an FCS school. By the 2nd week of camp I was running the defensive scout team as well as cutting up offensive and defensive film, making film exchanges, coordinating all the video etc. By 1st game I was meeting separately with Centers and Guards, monitoring their academics working separately with them during parts of individual time, and had my own recruiting area. I was still "a student assistant" in title. In reality, I was an unpaid position coach 6 weeks into my first college experience. The other student assistant was setting up equipment for the d-line at practice, holding up scout cards while a position coach directed the offensive scout team and charting plays in the press box during games. So I disagree with your thought process SPECIFICALLY because of guys like the intern you worked with. I did not see myself as an "student asst" because most identified student asst as what the other guy was doing. This author might not see himself as a guy like you worked with. It is a matter of perspective. If you were putting it on a resume - What would you list? If they called your Head Coach, would he say you were an intern or the assistant OL coach? That is really the only question that matters here. If you would list - Interior OL Coach - Blank University - 1998-1999 then I don't have an issue with it. To me, that is not a matter of perspective and it does not matter if you see yourself as better then the other Interns or not. Most people see themselves different from how everyone else sees them - Thats why people get titles and positions that can be verified - so I can't "basically be the Head Coach" because I think I know more then the other guy. The "ethical" portion of the question is why is he doing it? To make money, by claiming to be more then he was. Again, define "more". What is "more than he was". I guarantee you that at some schools football interns/graduate assistants do MORE coaching than someone who might be an "assistant coach". I know graduate assistants at lower levels who have their own positions, who have recruiting areas, who are in the office all day (and night!) , who script, draw cards, do video breakdowns , etc. Is someone who is a part time coach that shows up for practice after his real job "more" than that GA? The second guy's business card says "assistant football coach". Is he "more" than the GA? Is the GA "less" than that guy? Your question about a resume doesn't fit perfectly because on a resume one would describe duties and responsibilities. (For the record, I would have listed Student Assistant Football Coach-- Interior Offensive Line. And then I would list what I did. But keep in mind in that case I am communicating that to very specific individuals. In this case it probably doesn't make a lot of sense for someone to go on and on about responsibilities when it can be summed up for his purposes as "asst football coach" A rose by any other name....
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