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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 5, 2016 23:37:25 GMT -6
Just saw this trailer for a new series coming out on Netflix. Looks pretty interesting.
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Post by coachjo14 on Jul 6, 2016 11:38:03 GMT -6
I had a kid for one season and he was a heathen in high school, but he was the 23rd ranked kid in the country, 3rd at his position, and 5th ranked kid in the state. He didn't last a full year at the Powerhouse program he went to. Got in legal trouble. Popped up at East Mississippi. They kicked him out. Showed up in the Jayhawk Conference. They kicked him out. Went out to a JC in Cali. They kicked him out.
Guy was super talented, but could not stay out of his own way. When I got a college job he hit me up and begged me to get him a look. The Catch was he wanted us to break NCAA rules to get him up here. Sorry buddy you might have matured and you could sure help us on the field, but can't do it.
It's funny how they all "should have listened" when they're older and screwed it all up...
Heck that kid had a cousin who was #1 at his position in the country, 24th ranked player in the country, and 4th in the state and when he moved back in with his mom and started getting in trouble for the good of the kid we told her to send him back with his uncle so he wouldn't be a hell raiser with his cousins and siblings. He goes back he gets out goes to a national powerhouse and gets kicked out in a year. Kid never played a down for us because we tried to keep him out of trouble.
Crazy thing is where he graduated from went under major scrutiny from the state athletic association due to them breaking all kinds of rules for him and his uncle.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 7, 2016 13:14:50 GMT -6
Just read the GQ article that I guess was the inspiration for the documentary. Really interesting www.gq.com/story/last-chance-universityA few things jumped out at me: - One coach in the article points out there are only two places where you can coach D1 players: D1, and this JUCO league - I don't know if I agree with some of the hand holding that goes on "walking them to class, making sure they stay in class" but I guess it would be rewarding if some of those guys are able to turn their lives around. - this entire situation seems ripe for corruption - I wish the article went into more detail into the finances, do they give financial aid? etc? -I want to find out more about what happened to Chad Kelly at Clemson. The article makes it sound like he got shipped out after getting in the HC's face at a spring game. Would an HC really cut a kid for just that? If so, I admire Sweeney for running a tight ship, but on the other hand, that doesn't seem like a fireable offense.
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Post by coachjo14 on Jul 7, 2016 18:47:04 GMT -6
Financial aid wise I forget the exact number, but I think mississippi jucos can either ship or play like 10-15 out of state guys. So they definitely hold their cards tight on out of state guys. The only ones my old coaches who were working at JCs would ask me about were the d1 bounce back kids.
The Jayhawk Conference in Kansas has a bunch of out of state kids but I think they can play 12-15 only. I don't know if they put em all on financial aid or not. I knew of a d1 kid who went out to a Kansas JC and never played a down cuz he wasnt in their top 12-15 or whatever. Still went to Wazzou afterwards.
No California doesn't limit how many out of state guys, but they don't offer any scholarships. Think of them as the d3 of Juco football when it comes to financial aid, but they bring in some studs!
The Mississippi and Kansas schools seem to deal with Non-qualifiers a ton.
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Post by mattlott on Jul 8, 2016 9:56:09 GMT -6
NJCAA RULE LIMIT = 85 Scholarships
MS League =55 Scholarships, 8 Out of State in program and on gameday roster. Can pay for everything. But not for everyone, think of it like D2 where you have a money pool and have to divide it out to get everyone what they need scholarship. With Pell Grant most don't have to pay anything.
KS League = 85 Scholarships, sign as many out of staters as you want as long as in 85 limit, Can ONLY have 20 on roster to play in game, picked before first game and locked in for whole season. Others out of staters can practice and treat as RS year. Scholarships can only be books and tuition. FEES, ROOM, and MEALS CANNOT BE COVERED. Pell Grant can cover most of this, but rarely will cover it all, especially for an out of state kid.
TX League = 85 Scholarships, 5 out of staters
Cali League = NO LIMIT, NO SCHOLARSHIPS. The California league is in no way affiliated with the rest of the country in JC Ball, scholarships signed with NJCAA schools do not affect them, and like wise a student can transfer from a Cali JUCO to a NJCAA school with no release required and be immediately eligible
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Post by coachjo14 on Jul 8, 2016 11:11:02 GMT -6
NJCAA RULE LIMIT = 85 Scholarships MS League =55 Scholarships, 8 Out of State in program and on gameday roster. Can pay for everything. But not for everyone, think of it like D2 where you have a money pool and have to divide it out to get everyone what they need scholarship. With Pell Grant most don't have to pay anything. KS League = 85 Scholarships, sign as many out of staters as you want as long as in 85 limit, Can ONLY have 20 on roster to play in game, picked before first game and locked in for whole season. Others out of staters can practice and treat as RS year. Scholarships can only be books and tuition. FEES, ROOM, and MEALS CANNOT BE COVERED. Pell Grant can cover most of this, but rarely will cover it all, especially for an out of state kid. TX League = 85 Scholarships, 5 out of staters Cali League = NO LIMIT, NO SCHOLARSHIPS. The California league is in no way affiliated with the rest of the country in JC Ball, scholarships signed with NJCAA schools do not affect them, and like wise a student can transfer from a Cali JUCO to a NJCAA school with no release required and be immediately eligible This guy nailed it. I was close on some numbers, but good job to you sir.
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