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Post by averageblkmale on Nov 18, 2006 9:57:47 GMT -6
What are your thoughts on lineman going both ways? I thought we lost a lot with many of our lineman going both ways. What do you guys do?
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 18, 2006 10:09:51 GMT -6
We're a small school so our best kids are on the field. We try to coach everybody up so we can give them some spot rests but sometimes they just have to play. Places to give two-way lineman a rest are Punt Team, Punt Return, Kick Off and Kick Return. Every little bit helps. We also try to get all of our starting OL out during PAT to give them 2 plays (PAT and KO) off before going back in on defense.
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Nov 18, 2006 10:09:52 GMT -6
We have to go both ways, we don't have enough players. We just make sure we are in great shape, but it is really tough to make it through.
We played a team who zone-blocked this year and cut everything backside. Our linemen were dead by the 3rd quarter. Their legs were just gone.
We are making an effort this year to find some one-way guys, but we aren't sure if there are enough guys who can even play at the Varsity level.
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Post by coachjd on Nov 18, 2006 10:26:46 GMT -6
every year we try and platoon on the line as much as possible or at least try and establish some type of rotation. But as the year goes on we end up playing 3-4 of our OL both ways most of the time. The longer we can keep the big guys fresh the better off we seem to be on both sides of the ball.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 18, 2006 10:38:07 GMT -6
Small school experience: Your best have to play both way. The best we were was a couple seasons ago when we had about 6-7 kids who were roughly the same. We were able to rotate them through the game on defense and stay fresh. For some reason I don't like to rotate on offense, just a habit I guess. Anyone else?
Big School (900-1000 kids): Our OL and DL are two different units. We do however have a few kids who play both ways based on situations in the game...short yardage for example.
I am not afraid to play a stud both ways. I think if he can handle it do it. We played a team this year in the playoffs with a 6-3 275# SOPH who only played DT. I kid you not if he had played offense too they have won the game. He was totally unblockable and had he played offense they could have run behind him all game.
If you do play them both ways then I think you have to find places to rest them like special teams and situations on O and D.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 18, 2006 10:50:58 GMT -6
I always have had my best linemen play both sides...now i am thinking of going smaller and quicker on the dline to keep my oline guys rested...thing is, i use defense as a reward for great effort on offense.
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Post by coachpoe on Nov 18, 2006 11:09:38 GMT -6
small school so they play both ways. We rest them on all the special teams outside of PAT. Starting RT and LT start at DT, and starting LG stats at DE. Our RG starts at ILB. We try to develope at least one solid backup at each spot who can give each guy a series off here or there and try to keep them fresh.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 18, 2006 13:06:11 GMT -6
small school (usually have about 20-25 on the varsity).
Best kids have to play. We try to platoon as much as possible, but only if the kid produces. We aren't going to put a guy out there who ain't as good as someone else, even if that "someone else" is a starter on the other side of the ball.
At a small school, kids typically EXPECT to play both ways and are often not happy when they don't.
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 18, 2006 13:19:09 GMT -6
We have 17 lineman on varsity but it still is an issue of the best players should play, we try to platoon with the lineman as much as possible. By the end of the season we had 3 guys playing both ways and I tried to rotate them as much as possible on defense. They were offensive lineman first but they sure loved to play defense.
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Post by phantom on Nov 18, 2006 15:47:45 GMT -6
We're a bigger school but we do not platoon. We try to avoid starting a lineman both ways if possible. Our defense is an 8 man front that emphasizes speed so we only really only need 2 lineman-type bodies since our ends are more athletic players and that helps. If we have linemen who are 2 way starters we usually run a rotation among 3 players either on O or D. Right now we do have a guy who starts both ways and he rarely comes out. He's not a real big guy, though, and he's in great shape so he can handle it.
I firmly believe that REALLY big linemen (300 pounders) should not be fulltime starters both ways because it takes too much out of them. A few years ago we had a 340 pounder who was a great DL. He could have been a great OL, too, and the boss was always after me to use him there more. I was always able to convince him that the kid wouldn't be nearly as effective defensively and we needed him there (you couldn't even think about moving the big guy and he had feet like ballerina). We spotted him in in short-yardage situations and it worked very well.
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Post by sls on Nov 18, 2006 16:08:18 GMT -6
I played one way as most of our lineman did in high school. I rememeber my HS coach telling me that he believed lineman took a bit of a break on Offense. As a coach I believe this now.
This is a reason we run the 30 stack, get 1 lineman off of the field. I try to not have 2 way players. This year my 2 best lineman were 1.5 players. Full time defense, 1/2 on offense. I tried to make sure that 1 of these seniors were always on the field.
We are a smaller school, 2A out of 5A.
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 18, 2006 16:11:05 GMT -6
GroundChuck,
I am with you on rotating Oline unless you have to. I will rotate on defense because it is about reaction and technique. Oline has to be able to work together and if you rotate I don't think you get that solid unit your looking for, where they really feel each other and the guys next to them really become another apendage. You have to know what the right arm is doing to know what the left arm should do.
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Post by tog on Nov 18, 2006 16:12:02 GMT -6
I would avoid having OL go both ways as much as possible.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Nov 19, 2006 0:15:51 GMT -6
At the small school i'm at we are pretty much in a "have to" situation of playing our Lineman both ways, what we did to counter some of this, is we went to a 3-3-5 so that only 3 lineman go both ways..our strongest 3 obviously, and our younger, softer oline stay just on offense, of course if we get injuries or such we are forced to play the younger kids.
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Post by backercoach on Nov 19, 2006 11:37:01 GMT -6
We usually have 1 guy that will play both ways. We try very hard to keep our O-Line away from Defense. Sometimes though we go with a heavy set on first down with our big olineman and then get them off right away to get ready for the next series on O. So, situationally yes, but all the time no. I just feel that the game is won or lost on the LOS and if they play both ways, they will be dead in the fourth quarter.
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