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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 1, 2016 11:20:19 GMT -6
I used it mostly because it makes a good example of a rule that some support and some don't. It's a rule I think is really dumb but it's kind of defensible, even if the logic is a bit spurious.
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Post by natenator on Jun 2, 2016 6:15:29 GMT -6
I also think you should be able I defend every rule you have, just like you should be able to defend every drill you run. If a kid asks why you make everyone wear black socks you should be able to respond with a straight face that you really believe the enhanced team unity will lead to wins. If you have a rule that kids can't chew gum in their living rooms you should be able to justify it. What's wrong with the my house, my rules justification?
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Post by silkyice on Jun 2, 2016 6:27:58 GMT -6
Coach, How do you go about punishing kids? I hate making them do up/downs and everything but it's the only thing I know. What's a better way? As was talked about in this topic the expectations need to be clear and the accountability has to be placed. So I decided to take playing time away. Late to class? That's one series. In trouble with classroom teacher/administration? That's a series Late to weight room? Another series. If a kid gets up to 5 then the first game of the season is gone. Basically it puts all of it on the kid. Now I have to preference that by saying I fully explained how I will discipline, take time away etc. So far I have seen a dramatic improvement in punctuality, grades, and attitude. You would be surprised at how quickly that impacts kids.
As for the season same rules will apply - late to practice? Series.
I should also say I do treat each kid in a case by case scenario. If a kid, for example, is late because of a major incident (family, test, etc) obviously the rule would not apply. I think it is important to also note that before punishing - you got to talk to the kid.
I have a lot of problems with this. My main problem is you have to personally keep up with a lot of stuff! So a kid is late to a class in February and late to the weight room in April and in trouble with a teacher in May (define exactly what that is), he now misses three series in the first game in August 26th? I would absolutely hate that as a player, parent, administrator, or coach.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 2, 2016 6:39:27 GMT -6
I have a lot of problems with this. My main problem is you have to personally keep up with a lot of stuff! So a kid is late to a class in February and late to the weight room in April and in trouble with a teacher in May (define exactly what that is), he now misses three series in the first game in August 26th? I would absolutely hate that as a player, parent, administrator, or coach. While I understand where you are coming from--the solution is quite simple. Don't be late, don't get in trouble with a teacher in May. I do think points of view matter when looking into these types of policies. If I were coaching at a school that really didn't have a lot of these problems, it might seem like a bunch of extra stuff. If I were trying to change the culture at a location where the culture might be the #1 obstacle to success...it might be the most vital policy I could implement. In the community where I currently teach, he/she will be late for work in April, Late for work in May, get in trouble with a supervisor, and then be absolutely utterly and completely shocked and appalled when fired.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 2, 2016 6:54:02 GMT -6
I have a lot of problems with this. My main problem is you have to personally keep up with a lot of stuff! So a kid is late to a class in February and late to the weight room in April and in trouble with a teacher in May (define exactly what that is), he now misses three series in the first game in August 26th? I would absolutely hate that as a player, parent, administrator, or coach. While I understand where you are coming from--the solution is quite simple. Don't be late, don't get in trouble with a teacher in May. I do think points of view matter when looking into these types of policies. If I were coaching at a school that really didn't have a lot of these problems, it might seem like a bunch of extra stuff. If I were trying to change the culture at a location where the culture might be the #1 obstacle to success...it might be the most vital policy I could implement. In the community where I currently teach, he/she will be late for work in April, Late for work in May, get in trouble with a supervisor, and then be absolutely utterly and completely shocked and appalled when fired. First, I am not saying don't punish. I am saying don't wait months. This is for both the kid and coach. Just give him up/downs or whatever and be done with it. Of course if this becomes a persistent problem, then move up to harsher punishment like playing time. This also doesn't just apply to school issues. How does he discipline during practice? When a kid jumps offsides, does that mean whoops, miss a series? Or does it mean up/downs, pushups, etc. ? We have absolutely incredible kids at my school. Truly, I am so blessed with our kids. You guys would hate me if you knew how good they were. But we wouldn't have anyone eligible for the first series of the first game if I implemented this type of year round discipline. Think about it, you mess up in anything at all and you miss a series?!?!?!?! Everyone of my players gets up/downs or squat jumps or whatever during the course of a year!!!!
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 2, 2016 7:31:22 GMT -6
I also think you should be able I defend every rule you have, just like you should be able to defend every drill you run. If a kid asks why you make everyone wear black socks you should be able to respond with a straight face that you really believe the enhanced team unity will lead to wins. If you have a rule that kids can't chew gum in their living rooms you should be able to justify it. What's wrong with the my house, my rules justification? It's a {censored} argument when parents use it, and THEY have leverage. You don't (the general you), you just sound like a butthole bossing people around for no damn reason.
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Post by pitt1980 on Jun 2, 2016 10:28:58 GMT -6
I also think you should be able I defend every rule you have, just like you should be able to defend every drill you run. If a kid asks why you make everyone wear black socks you should be able to respond with a straight face that you really believe the enhanced team unity will lead to wins. If you have a rule that kids can't chew gum in their living rooms you should be able to justify it. What's wrong with the my house, my rules justification?
In a vacuum, nothing
in reality,
1) it undermines the idea that the rules are important
when you can defend each rule*, the assumption becomes that rules you haven't defended, have a reason behind them
when you can't defend each rule, the assumption becomes that some of the rule you haven't defended have reasons behind them, some of them don't, who knows, (or worse, none of them do)
2) because you want your house to be somewhere other people want to be
I'm not trying to call you or anyone else in particular out
but too many parents raise their kids saying "my house, my rule"**, then wonder why their adult kids never want to visit
too many coaches go around telling their players "my house, my rule", then wonder why the number of guys coming out for the team is so low, or why it so hard to get people to show up for lifting, etc etc (nobody has to come out and play football)
-------------- *that said, I don't think you need to give real time justifications, sometimes the moment doesn't call for that, but after the fact, I think its a good idea to take people aside and explain why the rules are what they are
**its not having ever uttered that phrase, its capriciously bullying people around for no reason (which I don't think having said that phrase means you or anyone else has done, its just a thing that too many people do, and (usually) isn't conducive to accomplishing the goals that the people doing it are trying to accomplish)
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Post by rudyrude9 on Jun 2, 2016 10:40:19 GMT -6
I also think you should be able I defend every rule you have, just like you should be able to defend every drill you run. If a kid asks why you make everyone wear black socks you should be able to respond with a straight face that you really believe the enhanced team unity will lead to wins. If you have a rule that kids can't chew gum in their living rooms you should be able to justify it. What's wrong with the my house, my rules justification? Because its not your house. It's our house.
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