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Post by brophy on Sept 7, 2007 22:24:58 GMT -6
Quick caveat....
Maybe I'm just an old fart.....maybe the teams I've been around don't routinely win every week........but, golly, I have to wonder sometimes.....
Kids coming up "limp" to the point of being incapacitated for a play.....usually right after a big play against them occured.
Coming into programs that had not been successful, I have noticed that this occurs frequently in the first season, diminishes in the second season, and never occurs in the subsequent seasons, although nothing really changes in the conditioning / stretching philosophies.
Maybe I'm just venting, maybe I'm just cynical, but apparently these kids think everyone else is buying their acting sessions....
Now, as a player, sure we all got cramps from time to time, and yeah, they were terrible, but when you see the same kids going down 4 or 5 times in one game, I have to wonder.
how do you cure this? Midol?
SOMEBODY just set me straight.
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Post by crl on Sept 8, 2007 2:51:53 GMT -6
Broph, this comment will probably be vetted, discussed and then sent to home land security and then eradicated as Socialist tripe. But their is a medical condition and it is being studied by the Mayo Clinic, Stanford School of Medicine and CDC. It encompasses pre,chronic and post traumatic syndromes of a disease called shouldtryandunderstandplayinsteadofplayingwithititese, or S:T:U:P:I:D:syndrome.
This effects most young men from the ages of 14 to 22 and sometimes Head Coaches who have read to many books or summarily have just returned from Clinics after spring ball and made drastic changes.
Suffice to say the only real cure is wood, administered for say 12 minutes with constant unabashed, phrases, of" I think I will call you silly goose", or" to bad San Francisco State does not play ball anymore cause you would fit right in". For HC´s its "ok Boss" and then an aside to the box of "I am buying the beers at the pizza parlor...what ever you do don´t tell him, I have already pre-ordered 3 big combo pies, because he will order anchovies again if he finds out"
I hope this helps.
My fingers are cramping so any misspellings sorry.
CRL
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Post by coachmoore42 on Sept 8, 2007 2:57:34 GMT -6
I do my best to keep them off of the field when they seem to have frequent injuries. One, two injuries fine, they happen. It's the kid who gets hurt frequently, usually when the breaks aren't going his way, that finds himself watching from the sidelines. He is then asking coach why he's not back on the field even after he says he's "okay". We just inform him that his injuries have given an opportunity to another player who has proven he can do the job just as well or even better. If the injured player is obviously a better athlete than the new starter you can tell him something like this position needs experience to be most successful so we're going to go with so-and-so. Offer to move him to a less important position (only for a while, but don't tell him that). I hope this helps. It has worked for our program. Even if it doesn't, just remember you're not alone in dealing with this. At our place we get a new crop of sixth graders every year who need us to help them understand the difference between being sore and being injured. |
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Post by davecisar on Sept 8, 2007 4:56:19 GMT -6
Coach.
I agree kids often try saving face by creating an injury after a bad play. In youth ball we call that the "NFL TV Injury", only thing hurt is the players feelings.
BUT, way back in 1978 as a senior I was plagued by calf muscle cramps . We had no trainer and no one gave me any advice on preventative measures etc. No one wanted on the field more than me. By golly Ive felt some pain but when you can see your calf muscles twinging in knots before your eyes, its pretty darn painful and you cant really play with it. In those days just had to massage the muscle and hoped it passed LOL.
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Post by crl on Sept 8, 2007 5:14:40 GMT -6
A sure fire cramp tonic is this....will cut down cramps by about 99%.
Take a bunch of carrots, cabbage and any vegetable that is doing nothing and boil it down till it falls apart. Strain it , then put in blender with two bananas and a tablespoon of salt. Liquefy and chill. Place in a squeezee drink dispenser and when they cramp, have them drink this stuff, but before they swallow, let it stay in the players mouth for 25 to 30 seconds so it filters directly in to the blood stream. Cramps gone within one minute. Tastes horrible but works great.
Breakdown
Potassium/ Magnesium and NaCl (sodium cloride, ie salt.)
I learned this when I ran Marathons, and used it before they wanted tablets of Magnesium.
Also the ghoul aspect is great for laughs and to get the kids level during a game.
By the way I am serious on this one
CRL
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Post by coachmoore42 on Sept 8, 2007 11:52:18 GMT -6
Coach. I agree kids often try saving face by creating an injury after a bad play. In youth ball we call that the "NFL TV Injury", only thing hurt is the players feelings. BUT, way back in 1978 as a senior I was plagued by calf muscle cramps . We had no trainer and no one gave me any advice on preventative measures etc. No one wanted on the field more than me. By golly Ive felt some pain but when you can see your calf muscles twinging in knots before your eyes, its pretty darn painful and you cant really play with it. In those days just had to massage the muscle and hoped it passed LOL. Yeah, there are players like you. With those kids you let it slide as much as possible without allowing the other players be able to complain about different treatment. You probably showed up to nearly every workout and had to be pulled off of the field at times. With players like that you tell them to not practice sometimes so their body can recover. Now they are "following coach's orders" and not "laying out". The kids I'm talking about are the ones who show up the first day of fall practice or later and expect to start. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Sept 8, 2007 14:30:39 GMT -6
you can't tape pride or put ice on it.
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Post by tothehouse on Sept 8, 2007 15:18:16 GMT -6
Our FS last night....knocks a kid for a loop and creates a huge turnover....both calves cramp...he is in dire need of a friend on the sideline....I just looked at him and said, "toughen up and drink more Gatorade". I was half joking.....at least he made the play before he cramped up.
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Post by coachjim on Sept 9, 2007 3:10:29 GMT -6
Love that idea, crl! Think i'll add some castor oil in the mixture just to make injuries and the "secret potion" a little sweeter. Classic home remedy, love it.
Broph, I had a kid who loved the attention and the parents even labled him the "drama queen." I sent him down to the D-Squad where he gets all the attention he needs, from the six year olds.
The more attention you give them the more they lay on the field. Perhaps it's a parent issue. I have quite a few parents on the team that use practices more for daycare then to be a football coach, that says it all. No attention at home, therefore everyone's attention whether positive or negative on the field. It's happening everywhere it seems.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Sept 9, 2007 15:21:08 GMT -6
The more attention you give them the more they lay on the field. Perhaps it's a parent issue. I have quite a few parents on the team that use practices more for daycare then to be a football coach, that says it all. No attention at home, therefore everyone's attention whether positive or negative on the field. It's happening everywhere it seems. I never considered the "babysitting" aspect of why parents (especially moms) seem to force junior to stay on the team. We have a new HC who refuses to kick anyone off of the team. There is literally nothing a player can do to get kicked off of the team. He is willing to suspend them for the entire season, but we still have to put up with some of those guys at practice for the entire season. To bring these two ideas together, we have a kid who shows up to about half of our practices, will never NEVER step on the field suspended or not, has an attitude and is lazy. I'm all for turning a kid around (and we have done so with many prior to this HC using the "enough is enough-kick them off" philosophy), but some need much more than football can offer (a paddle at home might be an excellent start). This kid gets hurt during every drill in which he might have to get hit or make a tackle. Now everyday he shows up we have to keep a coach with him while he milks his bump (not even bruised) like it's the most painful break ever. I think the HC is beginning to get irritated with these problems he has created by using this philosophy. Maybe he'll have a slightly, or severely, different way of doing things next time around. This isn't the only player like this, but I'm not going to talk about all of them. This is just one of a few examples, during one single season. No need to respond to this writing, I just needed to vent a little. My solution has already been decided. I will be somewhere else next year and I will never use the "don't kick anyone off" philosophy myself. |
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