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Post by fantom on May 19, 2016 15:56:15 GMT -6
The post about the one armed coach got me wondering how important you think it is for coaches to be able to perform a technique in order to demonstrate it to players. I don't think that it's very important. I'm a 62 year old 240 lb. former linebacker who coaches DB's. I can't do the stuff that I coach guys to do and never could. Fortunately, I don't need to because I've used my eligibility. When I demonstrate a technique, I walk through it. It seems to work fine.
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Post by coachguy83 on May 19, 2016 16:13:51 GMT -6
I had a coach tell m (e once that I couldn't coach RBs because I couldn't demonstrate rocket sweep properly (I am a former lineman and look like it). I told him I could demonstrate it just fine, it would just be in slow motion. So I have to agree that it is not vital to be successful because I'm not the one playing on Friday nights.
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Post by 44dlcoach on May 19, 2016 17:30:30 GMT -6
We see a team somewhat regularly that has finished a couple seasons ranked #1 in the nation in some polls. A few seasons their LB coach was a man in a wheel chair (I don't think he coaches there anymore.) I would assume that if that program didn't think he could do the job effectively they would have found no shortage of guys who wanted to be a coach for them.
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Post by 44dlcoach on May 19, 2016 17:47:36 GMT -6
I'll occasionally demo something and always lead with "this is a much fatter older slower version of this technique than I want to see from you." Mostly though I just make the experienced guys demo the drills.
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Post by rsmith627 on May 19, 2016 18:46:05 GMT -6
I'm a former lineman and OL coach turned OC and QB coach. I teach my QB to make throws that I will never demonstrate. I won't even play catch with them because I can't throw a football for chit. I can teach them to do it though.
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Post by joelee on May 19, 2016 19:54:08 GMT -6
I'm a 5'11 fat former lineman. I have coached WR for a state champion team and I have coached qb for a state champion team and I have coached ol for a state champion team (coached most of that season with a broken foot). No you do not have to be able to demonstrate.
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Post by agap on May 19, 2016 20:31:10 GMT -6
No I don't think you have to be able to demonstrate it. I do, but I can only walk through it. Unless I get mad enough, then I'll attempt to do it full-speed.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 19, 2016 20:45:48 GMT -6
I don't have to demonstrate it, I just have to be able to fix it.
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Post by poundtherock1 on May 19, 2016 21:36:15 GMT -6
Also a former lineman coaching Q's. I've spent a significant amount of time making my mechanics decent enough to make demo throws to like 15 yards.
After about 2 weeks and all the drills are in I don't throw at all unless it's for fun. I learned to coach the position from some really bright guys, so I just use what they said. It made me a better teacher not being able to do some of the things I ask my guys to do.
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Post by bluboy on May 20, 2016 5:51:01 GMT -6
I, too, am a former lineman who coaches DB's and WR's. I don't try to impress the kids with what I can do(which really isn't a whole lot at my age), so everything I demonstrate is at half-speed or walk-through.If I have to throw the ball, it's no more than about 10 yards.I think how you explain as you demonstrate is as important as what you do.
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Post by coachhart on May 20, 2016 6:26:37 GMT -6
My hamstrings emphatically say "no" to demonstrating much of anything!
(I also coached the hurdles in track - REALLY glad I didn't have to demonstrate that skill!)
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Post by 60zgo on May 20, 2016 6:39:17 GMT -6
Seem to be a bunch OL on this thread. But no, I don't think it's necessary to perform the skill in order to teach it.
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Post by PSS on May 20, 2016 7:19:27 GMT -6
I coach OLB's. I'm in my late 40s. Like Phantom, if I need to demonstrate I walk through it.
I also coach long and triple jump in track. No way would I be able to demonstrate at full speed.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 20, 2016 7:26:03 GMT -6
I borrow an idea from a S&S coach that i worked with who is still at and is in his 70's.
Grab the kid that is best at executing the technique and let HIM demonstrate it.
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Post by wingtol on May 20, 2016 7:34:00 GMT -6
Being an old WR/DB coaching the OL now who thinks he's still in shape I will demonstrate things like stance, steps, punch but not much more than that. No way is my skinny a$$ gonna try and block someone or hit a sled!
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Post by oriolepower on May 20, 2016 7:52:29 GMT -6
Last year all coaches in our district for all sports were given a list of rules from our school's workman's compensation insurance provider. One of the rules was that coaches are not to demonstrate technique to players. It stated we are supposed to get an older athlete to demonstrate or watch a video that shows it. It didn't change us from demonstrating that but we can't be the only school that was given that information.
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Post by fshamrock on May 20, 2016 8:24:57 GMT -6
I once watched a coach try to demonstrate triple jump to a middle school kid and smooth blew his knee out.....funny stuff
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Post by John Knight on May 20, 2016 8:42:22 GMT -6
I have seen more than one scout team coach/qb get stiches!
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Post by rosey65 on May 23, 2016 9:20:09 GMT -6
I dont think "demonstrate" has to mean "do the skill at full speed with no equipment." I demonstrate every skill and drill we do in practice, but I do them at my speed. I stand side-by-side with younger kids and demonstrate steps, stance, etc. I do low-intensity hitting on bags, hitting on a (stationary) scout defender, and I play the scout role in drills.
I've worked with coaches who stand back several feet, plant their feet in the ground, and yell arbitrary instructions. It doesnt seem to get the point across as easily.
I guess to each his own, but I'm going to be a part of individual drills as long as im physically able.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 9:42:58 GMT -6
You don't have to be able to demonstrate it, but you do need for them to see it "live". This is why video is so important. I often show college and NFL drill tapes on certain techniques so that the kids can see them in a live situation. On the field, yes, it's scaled down to a walk through w/me but the combination of the two really help.
Duece
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Post by 33coach on May 23, 2016 9:46:01 GMT -6
I dont think "demonstrate" has to mean "do the skill at full speed with no equipment." I demonstrate every skill and drill we do in practice, but I do them at my speed. I stand side-by-side with younger kids and demonstrate steps, stance, etc. I do low-intensity hitting on bags, hitting on a (stationary) scout defender, and I play the scout role in drills. I've worked with coaches who stand back several feet, plant their feet in the ground, and yell arbitrary instructions. It doesnt seem to get the point across as easily. I guess to each his own, but I'm going to be a part of individual drills as long as im physically able. i agree - i demonstrate everything, but does that mean you are going to see me backpedaling at full speed? nope! |
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Post by rosey65 on May 23, 2016 10:01:58 GMT -6
I dont think "demonstrate" has to mean "do the skill at full speed with no equipment." I demonstrate every skill and drill we do in practice, but I do them at my speed. I stand side-by-side with younger kids and demonstrate steps, stance, etc. I do low-intensity hitting on bags, hitting on a (stationary) scout defender, and I play the scout role in drills. I've worked with coaches who stand back several feet, plant their feet in the ground, and yell arbitrary instructions. It doesnt seem to get the point across as easily. I guess to each his own, but I'm going to be a part of individual drills as long as im physically able. i agree - i demonstrate everything, but does that mean you are going to see me backpedaling at full speed? nope! Well, at least not without a 30-minute warmup session done in secret before practice starts... |
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Post by carookie on May 23, 2016 10:11:08 GMT -6
It may help at times to be able to get into the right stance or perform the proper steps in slow motion, but in the end that type of stuff is limited. It is not what the players 'see' that is important, but rather what they repeatedly 'do'.
Example: My son just finished his little league season (8 yr olds) their coach would often become frustrated at player's techniques and then get in front of them and demonstrate how he could swing/throw/catch the correct way. I'd bite my tongue and just think, 'Wow good for you. You can do it right, but how does that help them? They see you with their eyes, but they do not see themselves do things, they feel themselves do it."
It is more important for them to repeatedly perform an action the right way, then to repeatedly see someone do it the right way, as long as you can coach them to do it you don't have to.
Side note- there may be some benefit to trying to do it; two years ago I jacked up my left knee holding a shield during block destruction drill (took on an all state LB). It got me so free visits to the dr. and physical therapy. Now my right knee was already in bad shape, but they took care of both in pt. So don't be afraid to try.
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Post by John Knight on May 23, 2016 11:57:21 GMT -6
I used to go through 2 or 3 watches a season.
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Post by rosey65 on May 23, 2016 12:05:59 GMT -6
I used to go through 2 or 3 watches a season. No longer wear one for that same reason. Practice sunglasses are cheap plastic gas-station ones. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 23, 2016 12:33:58 GMT -6
I don't demo anything. I use a veteran and have began filming specific drills and workouts so I can use them forever- whether to teach players or ass coaches!
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Post by bluboy on May 23, 2016 17:10:02 GMT -6
Last time I demonstrated faster than half-speed I took a shot from the biggest bad @zz on our team and ended up with a broken leg. Had to use crutches for the next 9 weeks.
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Post by rsmith627 on May 23, 2016 18:00:20 GMT -6
Kind of unrelated, we were doing a fun backyard football type of thing. Was out last week of the year and we were 1-8.
Anyway, I was playing qb because why wouldn't the fat line coach be the qb? Anyway, I hand it off and the kid fumbles. Being competitive I dive on it like a moron, and have about 6 padded players on top of me. Phuced my knee up real nice.
If you want an idea of how bad we were, a few plays before that I pulled it on a zone read and scampered down the field untouched for 50 yards. I'm a runner, but I am into distance. Not sprinting. I probably run a 6 second 40.
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Post by dytmook on May 23, 2016 18:18:24 GMT -6
I raced a kid to group last year. I was winning and he kind of bumped me and then I took what felt like an incredibly athletic tumble. I imagine it looked more like one of those fat dudes on scooters in the old Michael Jackson videos falling.
I demonstrate at half speed or slower. I tell them I'm fat and getting old so don't expect miracles.
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Post by tigercoach11 on May 23, 2016 18:33:00 GMT -6
I dont think you "have" to as long as you can teach/fix it. But, it's how I teach (especially base blocking progression). I am always sore after the first day of teaching the whole team ED stuff like form tackle and blocking progression. Day one for us this summer is tmrw so my legs will be sore as crap tmrw night.
With that said, I DO NOT try and do things I can't. Im the HC so I coach everyone at some point. I do not pretend I can go sling the rock like a stud qb. I will slow motion talk about progressions and fix things but I don't demonstrate. The knee bend and arms loading etc... in blocking progression and form tackle I feel like they need to see it.
I have always found short video clips (like 30 sec.) that I show in any chalk time on fundamentals I want them to see and that I prob can't do anymore.
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