oline56
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Post by oline56 on Mar 2, 2006 13:50:17 GMT -6
WHO SHOULD GO #1 IN THIS YEARS DRAFT?
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 2, 2006 13:53:12 GMT -6
Well. I think that Reggie is going #1. But if I was the GM of the Texans, then I'd trade the pick to someone that has 2 #1 picks, and a lineman worth getting. They need a hell of a lot more improvement than just Reggie. If I was going to select a "franchise" back, then I'd take Lendell White. He has the size to play for 10 years at HB. Reggie will be able to play at a high level for about 4-5 years, like Marshall, then he will get dinged.
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oline56
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Post by oline56 on Mar 2, 2006 14:01:49 GMT -6
I THINK THE TEXANS SHOULD PICK V. YOUNG. ITS TIME TO TRADE CARR, IF THEY'RE LUCKY THEY COULD 2ND ROUND PICK AND SELECT A GUARD OR TACKLE...CUZ WITH A DECENT LINE AND V. YOUNG AT QB THATS A RUNNING AND PASSING GAME IN ITSELF!!!
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Post by saintrad on Mar 2, 2006 15:00:10 GMT -6
i agree with cqmiller... texans should trade the pick and pick up some lower round picks, especially w/o a CBA in affect after next year.
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Post by runtheball86 on Mar 2, 2006 17:01:55 GMT -6
Vince Young
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ike2112
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Post by ike2112 on Mar 2, 2006 17:02:16 GMT -6
Texans trade down with Titans who take Leinart. Jets need a Qb, but can't pay one at #1 with the CBA stuff going on and Pennington not restructuring. But who'll take the #1? Maybe the Titans won't waste other picks on a trade if they can get one of Cutler and Leinart. The Texans will take Bush if they're up. Have you ever known someone's stock to drop as much as Vince Young's?
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Post by futureqbcoach on Mar 2, 2006 17:26:37 GMT -6
Anybody who thinks vince young is going to be good in the NFL has lost their mind. what makes him great? he broke a thousand tackles in the national championship game. do you think those olb's in the league will bounce off him like that ? NO did he throw the ball well? he threw drags off playaction and about 15 hitchs to the TE. not sure any wr's had more than 2 catchs. also...did you see the deal on sportscenter that had the wonderlic questions? im pretty sure any normal person can answer those in their sleep. get got a 16. i knew he sounded stupid in his interviews but i gave him the benefit of the doubt. not anymore. i say lookout for cutler. as long as he doesnt go all brett favre and throw 4 picks every other game then i think he can be a really good one. the guy pretty much carried vandy. vince will be just like vick...he can make a great run once a month so everybody votes him into pro bowls. vick couldnt throw his way out of a paper sack. notice he runs a jr high style offense as far as his throws. easy throws to the TE and boots. thats what you do with somebody thats not accurate.
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Post by coachdawhip on Mar 2, 2006 17:53:30 GMT -6
as long as he wins games and he does why does it matter? He looked pretty good this year with those back 2 back 250 + passing games.
Texans should trade the #1 pick to the Jets for John A. and the #4 pick to draft Big Ole' D'Brickshaw
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Post by airman on Mar 2, 2006 18:04:28 GMT -6
look at how many top first round players are busts.
your better players tend to be rounds 2 to 4.
why not trade down in the draft and pickup some extra picks.
reggie bush is nice but by the time the texans are good he will have a lot of miles on him.
young needs to sit on the bench for a year or two. he coems from a shot gun offense and needs to learn how to play from undercenter and how to read coverage when he turns his back on playaction. two things he has not done much of.
I think the vandy qb is the steal of the draft. he is a prototypical dropback passer, he has brett farve swagger to him. he has taken some hits at vandy but has also led his team to victory. i can see the packers drafting him if he is available at number 5.
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Post by fort on Mar 2, 2006 18:22:17 GMT -6
Cutler is the steal of the draft? How the hell does that work? He's going in the top 5 and has a great chance of being the first QB off the board. I think you need to dig a little deeper to find "steals." Someone like a Quinton Ganther.
Hell, Maurice Stovall droping to the 2nd round is more of a steal than picking Cutler with one of the first 5 picks. Besides, I don't think the Packers are going to draft a QB #1 two years in a row.
Now let's hope this CBA crap gets taken care of QUICKLY! The Redskins are dead if the cap goes back to last season's numbers (not quite as dead as Brunell's career though...).
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Post by airman on Mar 2, 2006 21:47:28 GMT -6
Cutler is the steal of the draft? How the hell does that work? He's going in the top 5 and has a great chance of being the first QB off the board. I think you need to dig a little deeper to find "steals." Someone like a Quinton Ganther. Hell, Maurice Stovall droping to the 2nd round is more of a steal than picking Cutler with one of the first 5 picks. Besides, I don't think the Packers are going to draft a QB #1 two years in a row. Now let's hope this CBA crap gets taken care of QUICKLY! The Redskins are dead if the cap goes back to last season's numbers (not quite as dead as Brunell's career though...). i do not have much sympathy for mr daniel synder. he is the one holding up the CBA because he does not want to share money. it is not the nfl fought he is over the cap. he went and spent the money. he is just like jerry jones, he want to run the whole show. if they do not have a CBA they do get last years cap, which will hurt some teams and benefit others. then 07 becomes a non capped year. look out then. as for cutler, he was un known going into this season. stovall was the same way. he was even sort of a underachiever. rodgers was a waste pick last year. it is why mike sherman is now not the packers head coach. take cutler, he is the real deal. still I think they are going to take a j hawk or miro williams. get some players on the defense.
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needknowledge
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Post by needknowledge on Mar 3, 2006 7:53:05 GMT -6
Cedric Benson holds most UT rushing records. He left after 2004. How'd Vince do without an all-world tailback in 2005? He just dominated college football. Yes, the 2005 USC defense was terrible compared to the 2004 D that pumelled Oklahoma, but Pete Carroll had a long time to game plan for Vince, and could do nothing to stop him. Vince will be better than Vick. Vince went to UT for 4 years, Vick was at VA Tech for 3. Houston has commited to Dave Carr, and now should draft Reggie #1. But, only because they signed Carr to long deal(bad decision), they don't need to draft Vince.
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Post by brophy on Mar 3, 2006 8:05:01 GMT -6
a less than spectacular runner can be made up for in an offensive line. During the expansion draft, the Texans thought they did that - unfortunately for them, those guys all fell apart.
I was under the impression that Alex Gibbs was coming over to help Kubiak develop his system (along with Mike Sherman) now I hear that has changed (?)
The best bet for the Texans is to trade down at all costs --- It is my understanding as well, that the Jets (who just Franchised DE John Abraham) were looking at packaging Abraham to the Texans for the opportunity to draft Leinart (Jets were rumored to be getting Reggie Bush back in early December, though) and restructure or cut the new Chad Pennington deal.
Who knows what will happen in the NFL....but like most of us, teams want 1 Stud QB, 1 Stud Runner, then the rest of the studs they'll put on defense....
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needknowledge
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Post by needknowledge on Mar 3, 2006 8:42:57 GMT -6
And I saw a good point about LenDale. Yes, in 10 years he'll still be pounding NFL defenses with 25-30 carries a game, whereas Reggie's best 5 years will be his first 5 years! Whoever takes him is going to get a dynamic player at his very best, where coaches will put him in many advantagious positions on the field where match-ups are concerned. I fully expect 2,000 total yards from him this year, if he's used right.
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Post by airman on Mar 3, 2006 13:09:13 GMT -6
i think reggie bush is much like eric metcalf. he was a small back for nfl standards.
reggie could be a great return guy.
i am just no sure he can take a pounding like say a edgeron james.
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Post by brophy on Mar 3, 2006 13:13:06 GMT -6
i think reggie bush is much like eric metcalf. he was a small back for nfl standards. reggie could be a great return guy. i am just no sure he can take a pounding like say a edgeron james. I've heard that a lot .....what USC game were you not watching? he's an amazing runner more than he is a good return guy.
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nannother
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Post by nannother on Mar 3, 2006 13:41:05 GMT -6
Young should be # 1. He can do it all. The Texans would get a better trade with Carr than Davis. Besides there's nothing wrong with Davis he's a good back. Carr, in my opinion, had been in the league for a while without showing any real signs of being a QB to depend on. I think Young is as good as Carr right now.
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needknowledge
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Post by needknowledge on Mar 3, 2006 14:09:31 GMT -6
Young should be # 1. He can do it all. The Texans would get a better trade with Carr than Davis. Besides there's nothing wrong with Davis he's a good back. Carr, in my opinion, had been in the league for a while without showing any real signs of being a QB to depend on. I think Young is as good as Carr right now. Let's not get this twisted. David Carr played 5 years in college and 4 years in the NFL. He can read an NFL defense in his sleep. Vince has 4 years of college exp. Carr's O-line is bad and that fact that he can still walk is amazing. Vince has unreal ability, but he is'nt the QB Carr is right now.
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Post by saintrad on Mar 3, 2006 15:24:20 GMT -6
Young is like Mike Vick, but without the arm...if i was young I would be glad to slide a few spots and go to a better team with a QB coach
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Post by nannother on Mar 3, 2006 15:29:29 GMT -6
You're saying that four years isn't enough time to show some improvement. In the four years that Carr has played, he's Started in 60 games, 73.7 QB rating, 48 TD with 53 INTs, and 50 fumbles. If that's how he picks defenses apart he must be sleep. I'll take my chances with Young. In fact The Bengals, Bears, Steelers, Jags, Giants, Bucs, and Panthers all have QBs that were taken after Carr and all are doing fairly well. And I don't think all of then have a better line than Carr. In some cases he has the better total offense.
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Post by tye2021 on Mar 9, 2006 16:49:38 GMT -6
In fact The Bengals, Bears, Steelers, Jags, Giants, Bucs, and Panthers all have QBs that were taken after Carr and all are doing fairly well. And I don't think all of then have a better line than Carr. In some cases he has the better total offense. I'm sorry but those teams all have excellent offensive lines(except the Giants). The Bears won QB wasn't ask to win any games just to not lose any (safe high percentage throws). The Bucs and Chris Sims had Cadilac Williams, a good OL and one of the NFL's top defenses. The Steelers didn't ask Rothlesburger(probably spelled his name wrong) to do to much in his first year plus he was surrounded by talent everywhere, including his OL. Carson Palmer really is just a better QB than David Carr, plus he has a good RB and one of the leagues best WRs. The Jags also have a good OL and just having Fred Taylor in the backfield is a threat to any defense healthy or not. The Giants OL SUCKED but E. Manning had the leagues second leading rusher behind him and a pretty good TE and 2 good WRs. And the panther had a great defense and the biggest threat at WR in the league. And when you are constantly under pressure and you don't have time to set up and throw you are going to have a higher level of mistakes. And when you are a young QB entering the league, taking that many shots will shake your confidence and probably cause you to throw some balls you shouldn't throw just trying to make something happen or trying to just get rid of the ball without taking another hit. Its the Texans fault that David Carr hasn't developed into a premier QB because they did not take the time to surround him with any kind of protection he needs. When is not mobile you better make sure he has time to sit in the pocket. Having said that the Texans could benefit from having V. Young because of his ability to escape from pressure. He has also shown that he has the ability to grow as a QB. His performance last season was far better than the season before. If they do go with a back i'd take L. White because I think he translate into the NFL better than R. Bush does. He is better between the tackles and has just enough speed to get outside. Reggie Bush will have a good career but I don't think it'll be what most people beleive it will be. (I hope I'm wrong because he is a good kid)
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Post by tog on Mar 9, 2006 16:54:50 GMT -6
trade the pick and get more quality players
is there really that much of a difference between the round 1 and round 2 guys? I don't think so.
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Post by knighter on Mar 10, 2006 7:00:14 GMT -6
Brophy-
While I enjoyed watching Reggie I am not even sure he is the best back on his team. I would prefer to have "the other guy" due to his size and power. But I am a damn DW'er anyway right?
That said, with the number 1 pick in the 2006 NFL Draft the Texans take.....
Brophy, Coach, Davenport Central.
Would be a quality pick!
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Post by brophy on Mar 10, 2006 7:33:23 GMT -6
you must not like the Texans, Knighter.....
I don't see them having any options but to trade down and give the first pick to a team like the Jets
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Post by knighter on Mar 10, 2006 8:14:44 GMT -6
Didn't say they would keep you Brophy. Draft you and immediately trade you for 10 large pizzas, 3 cases of beer, and a VIP pass or 2 to the Lumber Yard in Des Moines!
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Post by coachdawhip on Mar 10, 2006 8:58:48 GMT -6
If you draft Reggie Bush to run him 20-25 times a game you are crazy, that's my beef with my Falcons.
He gets 13-17 runs a game, you bring in Davis and put Bush in the slot and in some one-back formations use him like Steve Smith.
What's important here is not that he carries 20-25 times a game but that he touches the ball. If they can't trade down, they need to take Bush..
I'm not worried about him taking a pounding you cna't hit, what you can't catch, don't beleive that ask NFL players about Barry Sanders
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Post by brophy on Mar 10, 2006 11:50:29 GMT -6
Saints (@ #2) will sign QB Drew Brees, then can take the next best player in the draft, RB Reggie Bush, after the NY Jets trade up to #1 for Matt Leinart (if they don't trade for QB Patrick Ramsey).
Texans may as well stay put and take Ferguson with the No.1 overall
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Post by ttowntiger on Mar 10, 2006 14:37:08 GMT -6
Bush is a lot like a guy named Marshall Faulk- turned out pretty good. I think Vince Young was a great college QB- not sold on him as a pro. I could be wrong, but I think he would be a gamble as a top 5 pick.
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Post by knighter on Mar 10, 2006 14:44:40 GMT -6
ttown
not saying bush willnot make a good pro. i beleive he will but it will not be as a punishing runner. white is the better "pro" at rb if that is what a team is looking for if an oc like martz is looking for a hybrid rb/rec. bush is the best available
alot depends on what a team wants
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Post by saintrad on Mar 10, 2006 23:01:46 GMT -6
knighter you are seriously over estimating the market for older HS coaches, like brophy ( lol). the packers tried that years ago and got stuck with some guy named the waterboy.. all in fun brophy
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