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Post by rosey65 on May 16, 2016 8:34:59 GMT -6
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Post by pvogel on May 16, 2016 9:18:04 GMT -6
I like it. WV does it. Works great. Objective system. Ends up with a talented field. Never understood why the runner-up of a 3 team district gets an automatic playoff birth like they do currently.
I like it and im all for it. Youll have the liberty to create your own league. You can mix n match districts in it too to keep rivalries intact and transportation simple. So for example im sure the Palm Bay and Melbourne public schools would create a league since they all play each other anyways. It would range from 5A (Palm Bay) to 7A (Melbourne and Eau Gallie) but it would be competitive and balanced in its own way. Heck, Palm Bay would've won it this year. So you can still find ways to have a "league championship", which seems to be a big complaint that people are having.
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Post by rosey65 on May 16, 2016 9:29:40 GMT -6
I like it. WV does it. Works great. Objective system. Ends up with a talented field. Never understood why the runner-up of a 3 team district gets an automatic playoff birth. I like it and im all for it. Youll have the liberty to create your own league. You can mix n match districts in it too to keep rivalries intact and transportation simple. So for example im sure the Palm Bay and Melbourne public schools would create a league since they all play each other anyways. It would range from 5A (Palm Bay) to 7A (Melbourne and Eau Gallie) but it would be competitive and balanced in its own way. Heck, Palm Bay would've won it this year. So you can still find ways to have a "league championship", which seems to be a big complaint that people are having. I dont know how our county will adapt to a change. We work off centralized funding in Pinellas County, there are guidelines to us getting buses (no bus til 5:30, even for a 60+min away district game) and even traveling outside of the county(we cant in the regular season). Starting rivalries with Hillsborough would be nice, but I dont see how to feasibly travel across the bay bridges at 5:30 on a friday, except to 1 or 2 nearby schools. Also, how do you think the new recruiting "guidelines" will make a difference with this? I see the talent jumping ship from the smaller schools, now that being a 2A powerhouse wont be much of a big deal....which as I type, realize will affect the private schools more than anyone. 'BUMP' them!! Its a good thing!! |
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Post by wingtol on May 16, 2016 9:30:51 GMT -6
Since the link doesn't work are they saying you can have district/leagues with mixed classes or are they talking about getting rid of classes for the state and just one playoff for all schools?
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Post by pvogel on May 16, 2016 9:39:38 GMT -6
Or can you imagine a league with freakin
Miami Central (6A)
Carol City (6A)
Northwestern (6A)
Booker T (4A)
Jackson (5A)
Or something like that.
Every game would be awesome. All of them would make playoffs. Heck, you could have 3 state champs from one 5 team league haha.
or like Dillard and Boyd Anderson - why not put them with Flanagan and Plantation? Or something with Deerfield/Coconut Creek/Ely? Instead of being in their 4 man district
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Post by pvogel on May 16, 2016 9:44:32 GMT -6
Since the link doesn't work are they saying you can have district/leagues with mixed classes or are they talking about getting rid of classes for the state and just one playoff for all schools? They're talking about a points based rating system. You get points based off who you play - the classification of the school you beat and their w/l record. Bonus for "playing up" a class. They do it in West Virginia and it has the least amount of controversy or complaints of any state system i've ever seen. And those people in that state are GREAT at complaining and causing controversy... haha |
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Post by pvogel on May 16, 2016 9:48:08 GMT -6
I like it. WV does it. Works great. Objective system. Ends up with a talented field. Never understood why the runner-up of a 3 team district gets an automatic playoff birth. I like it and im all for it. Youll have the liberty to create your own league. You can mix n match districts in it too to keep rivalries intact and transportation simple. So for example im sure the Palm Bay and Melbourne public schools would create a league since they all play each other anyways. It would range from 5A (Palm Bay) to 7A (Melbourne and Eau Gallie) but it would be competitive and balanced in its own way. Heck, Palm Bay would've won it this year. So you can still find ways to have a "league championship", which seems to be a big complaint that people are having. I dont know how our county will adapt to a change. We work off centralized funding in Pinellas County, there are guidelines to us getting buses (no bus til 5:30, even for a 60+min away district game) and even traveling outside of the county(we cant in the regular season). Starting rivalries with Hillsborough would be nice, but I dont see how to feasibly travel across the bay bridges at 5:30 on a friday, except to 1 or 2 nearby schools. Also, how do you think the new recruiting "guidelines" will make a difference with this? I see the talent jumping ship from the smaller schools, now that being a 2A powerhouse wont be much of a big deal....which as I type, realize will affect the private schools more than anyone. 'BUMP' them!! Its a good thing!! You could still play an all-Pinellas schedule. In fact, itll prolly be easier. Like the Brevard County example is an easy one. When I was at Bayside we travelled to Martin, Okeechobee, and Indian River County for district games. But there couldve been much closer and more sensible opponents that werent in our classification. |
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Post by pvogel on May 16, 2016 9:49:56 GMT -6
The liberty over your scheduling is an absolutely beautiful thing. The proposed plan is great for coaches and ADs that listen to them. The biggest obstacles will be ADs that don't have a clue and the revolving door of coaches means plenty of guys will end up with unwanted schedules that they inherited.
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Post by rosey65 on May 16, 2016 10:45:04 GMT -6
Since the link doesn't work are they saying you can have district/leagues with mixed classes or are they talking about getting rid of classes for the state and just one playoff for all schools? I re-read it several times, Im guessing the classifications stay the same, it is just districts that are eliminated. A 2A can play an 8A, both get points, but there is no bearing on playoffs. They are all in their own bracket. |
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Post by pvogel on May 16, 2016 10:51:35 GMT -6
Since the link doesn't work are they saying you can have district/leagues with mixed classes or are they talking about getting rid of classes for the state and just one playoff for all schools? I re-read it several times, Im guessing the classifications stay the same, it is just districts that are eliminated. A 2A can play an 8A, both get points, but there is no bearing on playoffs. They are all in their own bracket. Exactly. Your size puts you in your class. But you could play a schedule of no one from your class. But the points is what puts you in the playoffs. And the biggest bump you can get is playing 4 districts above. So a 2A playing an 8A would only count as a 2A playing a 6A. |
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Post by sweep26 on May 16, 2016 11:16:08 GMT -6
Years ago, Iowa used to select their State Play-off qualifiers using a point-system exclusively. That system did not work very well for the IHSAA. One major problem was that there were many undefeated teams that did not qualify for the play-offs under that structure.
Another problem that I can foresee happening in Florida's new plan, will be a potential huge increase in travel costs. For various reasons, a lot of schools may be forced to travel many, many extra miles in order to fill their regular season schedule. Filling 10 playing dates every year will not be an easy task for a lot of Florida high schools.
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Post by 19coach78 on May 16, 2016 11:16:43 GMT -6
We use to have a point based system. Got 10 Points for beating a team in your Division, 12 for beating a Team a Div above you, 8 points for beating a team Division below. You also got 2 points for every win an oponent had. Problem was teams would duck good games against a team in same division, try and find team in lower that would win a lot of games and get the points.
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Post by CoachFetty on May 16, 2016 11:35:42 GMT -6
Since the link doesn't work are they saying you can have district/leagues with mixed classes or are they talking about getting rid of classes for the state and just one playoff for all schools? They're talking about a points based rating system. You get points based off who you play - the classification of the school you beat and their w/l record. Bonus for "playing up" a class. They do it in West Virginia and it has the least amount of controversy or complaints of any state system i've ever seen. And those people in that state are GREAT at complaining and causing controversy... haha Agree! |
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Post by rosey65 on May 16, 2016 11:46:10 GMT -6
We use to have a point based system. Got 10 Points for beating a team in your Division, 12 for beating a Team a Div above you, 8 points for beating a team Division below. You also got 2 points for every win an oponent had. Problem was teams would duck good games against a team in same division, try and find team in lower that would win a lot of games and get the points. Per the article, you are rewarded more for losing to a school with 8+ wins, than you are for beating a School Of The Blind. I guess that would make people WANT to play the good schools, even knowing you could lose, as well as encouraging the good schools to choose worthy opponents... I can see a lot of positives, again, I'm just worried about how my county will adapt to the (potential) new system. |
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Post by coachwoodall on May 16, 2016 11:57:23 GMT -6
our old points system made it hard for small schools to find games and hurt regional rivalries. However, if you were in rebuilding mode, bigger schools could pick up some easy(er) wins but knowing that in the end you might not qualify for the playoffs. We played 11 games and had 2 mark offs.
Basically, everyone that thought they had a chance to make a play off run scheduled up as much as possible to gain the extra points to improve their seeding.
One thing though we still had regions/conferences so part of our schedule was predetermined. Also, to make the region/conference mean something come play off time (the last couple of years anyway) they seeded the region/conference champs first, then runners-up, 3rd place, etc....
Negatives were that there was no 'Upper State/Lower State' Championships, it was just a semifinal game. Also, you might make the playoffs as a lower seed in the Upstate and have to travel to the coast for round 1.
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Post by pvogel on May 16, 2016 12:39:13 GMT -6
our old points system made it hard for small schools to find games and hurt regional rivalries. However, if you were in rebuilding mode, bigger schools could pick up some easy(er) wins but knowing that in the end you might not qualify for the playoffs. We played 11 games and had 2 mark offs. Basically, everyone that thought they had a chance to make a play off run scheduled up as much as possible to gain the extra points to improve their seeding. One thing though we still had regions/conferences so part of our schedule was predetermined. Also, to make the region/conference mean something come play off time (the last couple of years anyway) they seeded the region/conference champs first, then runners-up, 3rd place, etc.... Negatives were that there was no 'Upper State/Lower State' Championships, it was just a semifinal game. Also, you might make the playoffs as a lower seed in the Upstate and have to travel to the coast for round 1. Its still broken down into 4 regions... its just that the regions have their schools and they are seeded individually. That way youre avoiding a Pensacola team playing a Miami team until the championship game in Orlando (Or Daytona??...). So thats still intact. Playoff travel is still done region by region. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 16, 2016 13:08:58 GMT -6
I love the idea. Our district has a team we will never defeat and one that we want to aspire to be. I love playing the "aspire to be" teams but why even play a team that's so far out of our 'league' financially, athletically, etc. I mean, they play in a college stadium the college needed them to build. They have 50 kids on varsity and have a JV. We play on some grass and dirt combination with 25 Star Wars fans grades 8-12 with no lower team.
It will keep Lake Highland from scheduling all 2A non-district teams as well. The whole "con the 2A into playing a 5A" will be long gone because the points would keep you from the playoffs.
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Post by gators1422 on May 16, 2016 18:18:22 GMT -6
Here is our problem as we see it. We are a 1A school and have had a good amount of success. We have trouble finding our 4-5 games now that aren't district games. Fortunately we have been able to find a few teams each year that need money and we pay them for the home game. This year we are playing 3 upper level playoff teams and we already had a district schedule. If they go to the schedule the whole 10 yourself we are afraid of finding games. How is it beneficial to the 5A team to schedule a 1A team that might beat them. They get no bonus points because they are playing a smaller team. Trust me we had 2 openings posted for months and got phone calls from about 4 schools. Bolles 4A semifinalist, AHD 5A power, Trinty Christian 3A power, and Niceville 7A power. That was it. Now we had to have a home game and so it didn't help but it just seems that it will be very difficult for us moving forward.
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 17, 2016 5:16:14 GMT -6
Here is our problem as we see it. We are a 1A school and have had a good amount of success. We have trouble finding our 4-5 games now that aren't district games. Fortunately we have been able to find a few teams each year that need money and we pay them for the home game. This year we are playing 3 upper level playoff teams and we already had a district schedule. If they go to the schedule the whole 10 yourself we are afraid of finding games. How is it beneficial to the 5A team to schedule a 1A team that might beat them. They get no bonus points because they are playing a smaller team. Trust me we had 2 openings posted for months and got phone calls from about 4 schools. Bolles 4A semifinalist, AHD 5A power, Trinty Christian 3A power, and Niceville 7A power. That was it. Now we had to have a home game and so it didn't help but it just seems that it will be very difficult for us moving forward. What school do you coach at? Sounds like a hell of a 1A if you beat 7A teams. |
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Post by gators1422 on May 17, 2016 6:04:27 GMT -6
We haven't played any 7A schools. Those were the ones that replied to our add to play a game. We have played some 4-5A schools and play Wakulla 5A runner up this year.
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Post by jared10227 on May 17, 2016 9:25:56 GMT -6
Bolles was only a regional finalist this year. But year in and year out, they are the cream of the 4A crop.
Where do you coach at Gators1422??
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Post by gators1422 on May 17, 2016 10:01:09 GMT -6
Trenton High School
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Post by jlab27 on May 17, 2016 12:34:02 GMT -6
We use to have a point based system. Got 10 Points for beating a team in your Division, 12 for beating a Team a Div above you, 8 points for beating a team Division below. You also got 2 points for every win an oponent had. Problem was teams would duck good games against a team in same division, try and find team in lower that would win a lot of games and get the points. Per the article, you are rewarded more for losing to a school with 8+ wins, than you are for beating a School Of The Blind. I guess that would make people WANT to play the good schools, even knowing you could lose, as well as encouraging the good schools to choose worthy opponents... I can see a lot of positives, again, I'm just worried about how my county will adapt to the (potential) new system. that means, we might actually be able to field a full schedule. |
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Post by rosey65 on May 18, 2016 5:01:07 GMT -6
Per the article, you are rewarded more for losing to a school with 8+ wins, than you are for beating a School Of The Blind. I guess that would make people WANT to play the good schools, even knowing you could lose, as well as encouraging the good schools to choose worthy opponents... I can see a lot of positives, again, I'm just worried about how my county will adapt to the (potential) new system. that means, we might actually be able to field a full schedule. haha! Where are you? |
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Post by jlab27 on May 18, 2016 6:44:55 GMT -6
that means, we might actually be able to field a full schedule. haha! Where are you? Godby. We have been short a game the last 2 seasons. Heck, we might be short 2 games this season (a school is trying to drop us). |
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Post by jared10227 on May 18, 2016 7:50:53 GMT -6
Another person in the panhandle!!! I thought I was the only one
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