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Post by jgordon1 on May 11, 2016 11:42:26 GMT -6
I am reading the threads of best and worst clinic speakers...What makes a great clinic speaker in our opinion?
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Post by fantom on May 11, 2016 12:13:59 GMT -6
One who stays on topic and goes into detail about the topic. I'd rather that he had an engaging delivery but I can live without it if he has good info. Video is nice as long as it complements the talk rather than replacing it.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 11, 2016 13:42:20 GMT -6
I like listening to how teams adjust to different formations. Offensively I like to listen how other teams attack.. I can find drills and technique on the Internet. I can find how to block power from a playbook
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Post by coachklee on May 11, 2016 19:03:38 GMT -6
Having the balance of actually demonstrating some technique while talking, showing video of the basic drill progression of the technique, showing video of the technique happening in team or practice. After that, it is a huge bonus if the guy has some sense of humor & humility (admits that his 2 Big Ten bound Guards & FCS FB & Div 2 SE is what makes the play a TD).
The best examples that come to mind are probably Rick Darlington from Apopka, FL & Bolden from Colerain, OH.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 19:04:21 GMT -6
One who doesn't use the draft or recruiting to win. Guys that can succeed w/out talent. Those "moneyballers" are the ones that really intrigue me.
Duece
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Post by shocktroop34 on May 11, 2016 20:03:11 GMT -6
I like the coaches that think outside the box. The innovators. But not A-11 innovation. The coaches that take simplistic concepts and show a wrinkle that I never saw coming. Guys that see the game from a different angle.
I also like the guys that make you feel like you're getting information that no one else in the world knows about..."guys I really shouldn't be telling you this, but..."
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Post by coachdubyah on May 11, 2016 22:24:04 GMT -6
I don't even run Single Wing anymore but Coach Darlington really changed my approach to offense when I reached out to him. Great guy and will talk about anything.
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 12, 2016 0:30:26 GMT -6
A coach who doesn't spend the first 20 minutes explaining his accomplishments. We get it, you've already got us in the room and you're the guy up there speaking which lends you credibility already. Don't waste time talking about how great your program is to validate yourself.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 3:05:20 GMT -6
I don't even run Single Wing anymore but Coach Darlington really changed my approach to offense when I reached out to him. Great guy and will talk about anything. I second this, and have only talked with the man for a grand total of maybe 30 minutes. Duece
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Post by coachgtiller on May 12, 2016 6:37:57 GMT -6
One that doesn't blow smoke about how he doesn't have very good athletes. Heard a guy from Texas speaking at the OU clinic a few years ago. His QB, RB, backup RB, and WR and a few others all had BCS offers. Well hey there bud, we'd be pretty damn good too if we had all that talent. But all he talked about was how his kids weren't very good or athletic.
Like others said someone who is innovative. Or tells how they adjust and what their philosophy is behind those adjustments. I don't want to hear about your numbering system for IZ. I want to hear about your different ways of running IZ and how you put the D in a bind with different/looks actions.
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Post by germanjohn on May 12, 2016 7:51:34 GMT -6
I'd say one of the best qualities is that the speaker doesn't think he's talking to a room full of John Grudens.
I've got a pretty good grip of the game, having played/coached for the past 20 years. But I've been in way too many clinics where I've been sitting near a couple of coaches who get this glazed look over their eyes because Coach Jim Bob up there is speaking Talladeganese. If you're speaking, put the concepts you're trying to teach into simple, universally understood terms. If you go to a Glazier Clinic and start off your defensive presentation by talking about how you wanna "sink your corners to a cloud and roll the joker up to play a 3-high shell with the nickel and dime", you've probably already lost 70-80% of your audience.
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Post by fantom on May 12, 2016 8:24:42 GMT -6
I'd say one of the best qualities is that the speaker doesn't think he's talking to a room full of John Grudens. I've got a pretty good grip of the game, having played/coached for the past 20 years. But I've been in way too many clinics where I've been sitting near a couple of coaches who get this glazed look over their eyes because Coach Jim Bob up there is speaking Talladeganese. If you're speaking, put the concepts you're trying to teach into simple, universally understood terms. If you go to a Glazier Clinic and start off your defensive presentation by talking about how you wanna "sink your corners to a cloud and roll the joker up to play a 3-high shell with the nickel and dime", you've probably already lost 70-80% of your audience. And I want to play those guys. The problem is that there aren't many universal terms unless the speaker dumbs it down far enough that it's only useful for beginners.
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Post by the1mitch on May 12, 2016 9:12:19 GMT -6
As a rule, I look for speakers coaching at my level too. My world does include skinny tackles and round guards on occasion. I always get more out of a coach who has nothing to lose by being honest with the audience. Will a conference rival see you sitting in the third row and hold back a bit? Next thing is topic, when everyone is excited about the latest trend, I split up my staff so we can hear some of the latest greatest BS as well as stuff going on in programs that haven't changed much in 10 years but keep winning. All of the above is true, but nothing is as good as doodling on a place mat or legal pad in the lounge with a speaker after hours.
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Post by wingtol on May 12, 2016 9:50:22 GMT -6
I'll tell you who I avoid like the plague now that I am a bit older are guys who have a topic like "Installing the hybrid 6-1-4 defense will multiple coverage's and blitz packages" for an hour clinic talk. You know you ain't gettin chit from that!
I like to tray and find the guys who are honest, not the we don't have much talent except the 7 guys with offers from Power 5 schools on our team as others have said. Guys who are engage with the audience. Guys who get into detail, I like sitting there and listening to a guy talk about one play for 25 mins as he shows video and talks technique assignment adjustments all that good stuff. And guys who aren't afraid to show a play get shoved up their ass once and awhile, makes me feel like they are more like all of us when they do that.
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Post by unc31 on May 12, 2016 10:19:02 GMT -6
Guys who know their topic inside-out and can explain it with ease (a good teacher). Lots of fancy graphics and that sort of thing get boring real quick. Philosophy heavy talks are really boring most times.
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Post by carookie on May 12, 2016 14:38:58 GMT -6
A good clinic speaker is one who understands what actually wins football games (mastering a technique, great athleticism, simple and sound schemes); furthermore one who grasps the process of implementation and how much information and technique a HS player can actually master. This speaker then must realize how to delineate this in a short period of time in a logical fashion.
From my perspective, any X & O stuff is only as strong as the specific techniques utilized to execute it; there is a far too common assumption that any sound technique fits into any sound scheme, this is false. So, before delving into their Xs & Os (or at least in conjunction with them) I would prefer the speaker to explain the technique required. Now, if we are there to learn technique then drill break downs are a must (once again not all drills are beneficial to every scheme/technique). If a coach is not willing to go into this I would think that they simply do not understand their principles fully enough to explain them, or they misplace too much emphasis on the wrong aspects of the game.
In addition to this, I would like to hear of how they implement techniques/schemes/etc. and see how much time they spend on this specific aspect. This allows me to gauge the time it would take to perfect what is being taught, as well further evaluate the speaker. If he only explains something once to his players, and has them walk through it twice, then expects them to execute it perfectly in a game situation; I am going to assume he is successful despite his coaching, not because of it.
On a side note, I noticed how many above posts are negative in their descriptions (not saying what they want a speaker to do, but rather what they DON'T want a speaker to do). I would say this is a fairly strong indictment against clinic speakers as a whole.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 12, 2016 19:45:23 GMT -6
A good clinic speaker is one who understands what actually wins football games (mastering a technique, great athleticism, simple and sound schemes); furthermore one who grasps the process of implementation and how much information and technique a HS player can actually master. This speaker then must realize how to delineate this in a short period of time in a logical fashion. From my perspective, any X & O stuff is only as strong as the specific techniques utilized to execute it; there is a far too common assumption that any sound technique fits into any sound scheme, this is false. So, before delving into their Xs & Os (or at least in conjunction with them) I would prefer the speaker to explain the technique required. Now, if we are there to learn technique then drill break downs are a must (once again not all drills are beneficial to every scheme/technique). If a coach is not willing to go into this I would think that they simply do not understand their principles fully enough to explain them, or they misplace too much emphasis on the wrong aspects of the game. In addition to this, I would like to hear of how they implement techniques/schemes/etc. and see how much time they spend on this specific aspect. This allows me to gauge the time it would take to perfect what is being taught, as well further evaluate the speaker. If he only explains something once to his players, and has them walk through it twice, then expects them to execute it perfectly in a game situation; I am going to assume he is successful despite his coaching, not because of it. On a side note, I noticed how many above posts are negative in their descriptions (not saying what they want a speaker to do, but rather what they DON'T want a speaker to do). I would say this is a fairly strong indictment against clinic speakers as a whole. I noticed how many above posts are negative in their descriptions (not saying what they want a speaker to do, but rather what they DON'T want a speaker to do). I would say this is a fairly strong indictment against clinic speakers as a whole.
That is an interesting comment. Part of the reason why I asked the original question was that I spoke at a Glazier clinic this year. I got an 8.12 speaker rating which the Glazier guys told me was average speaker rating was like 8.16 which they said was fine but me being me I'll be darned if I am below average. So I actually think I went into TOO much detail about the scheme and didn't cover some things I wanted to get to.
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Post by wingtol on May 12, 2016 20:30:38 GMT -6
A good clinic speaker is one who understands what actually wins football games (mastering a technique, great athleticism, simple and sound schemes); furthermore one who grasps the process of implementation and how much information and technique a HS player can actually master. This speaker then must realize how to delineate this in a short period of time in a logical fashion. From my perspective, any X & O stuff is only as strong as the specific techniques utilized to execute it; there is a far too common assumption that any sound technique fits into any sound scheme, this is false. So, before delving into their Xs & Os (or at least in conjunction with them) I would prefer the speaker to explain the technique required. Now, if we are there to learn technique then drill break downs are a must (once again not all drills are beneficial to every scheme/technique). If a coach is not willing to go into this I would think that they simply do not understand their principles fully enough to explain them, or they misplace too much emphasis on the wrong aspects of the game. In addition to this, I would like to hear of how they implement techniques/schemes/etc. and see how much time they spend on this specific aspect. This allows me to gauge the time it would take to perfect what is being taught, as well further evaluate the speaker. If he only explains something once to his players, and has them walk through it twice, then expects them to execute it perfectly in a game situation; I am going to assume he is successful despite his coaching, not because of it. On a side note, I noticed how many above posts are negative in their descriptions (not saying what they want a speaker to do, but rather what they DON'T want a speaker to do). I would say this is a fairly strong indictment against clinic speakers as a whole. I noticed how many above posts are negative in their descriptions (not saying what they want a speaker to do, but rather what they DON'T want a speaker to do). I would say this is a fairly strong indictment against clinic speakers as a whole.
That is an interesting comment. Part of the reason why I asked the original question was that I spoke at a Glazier clinic this year. I got an 8.12 speaker rating which the Glazier guys told me was average speaker rating was like 8.16 which they said was fine but me being me I'll be darned if I am below average. So I actually think I went into TOO much detail about the scheme and didn't cover some things I wanted to get to. Who rates you? The guys running it or coaches in the session? Because if it's coaches in the session I wouldn't worry about it since I had no idea you could rate speakers and I bet others didn't either.
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Post by coachklee on May 13, 2016 8:52:46 GMT -6
I noticed how many above posts are negative in their descriptions (not saying what they want a speaker to do, but rather what they DON'T want a speaker to do). I would say this is a fairly strong indictment against clinic speakers as a whole.
That is an interesting comment. Part of the reason why I asked the original question was that I spoke at a Glazier clinic this year. I got an 8.12 speaker rating which the Glazier guys told me was average speaker rating was like 8.16 which they said was fine but me being me I'll be darned if I am below average. So I actually think I went into TOO much detail about the scheme and didn't cover some things I wanted to get to. Who rates you? The guys running it or coaches in the session? Because if it's coaches in the session I wouldn't worry about it since I had no idea you could rate speakers and I bet others didn't either. I'm the same way. Now I didn't make it to one of Jerry's talks this year, but I do know that I'm often in a hurry to get out of those stuffy conference rooms to grab a cold beer that I don't bother to fill out those rating forms. If they are done on a mobile phone, I'm just guilty of being too lazy to bother.
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Post by Coach Vint on May 13, 2016 9:44:36 GMT -6
Guys who are experts in their areas, have great enthusiasm, and are excited to be there. Being well-organized and staying on topic is important as well. You can tell great teachers when you see a guy speak at a clinic.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 13, 2016 10:23:30 GMT -6
I noticed how many above posts are negative in their descriptions (not saying what they want a speaker to do, but rather what they DON'T want a speaker to do). I would say this is a fairly strong indictment against clinic speakers as a whole.
That is an interesting comment. Part of the reason why I asked the original question was that I spoke at a Glazier clinic this year. I got an 8.12 speaker rating which the Glazier guys told me was average speaker rating was like 8.16 which they said was fine but me being me I'll be darned if I am below average. So I actually think I went into TOO much detail about the scheme and didn't cover some things I wanted to get to. Who rates you? The guys running it or coaches in the session? Because if it's coaches in the session I wouldn't worry about it since I had no idea you could rate speakers and I bet others didn't either. yes, guys in the audience. They send you an email so its very easy not to open it
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Post by wingtol on May 13, 2016 11:15:07 GMT -6
Who rates you? The guys running it or coaches in the session? Because if it's coaches in the session I wouldn't worry about it since I had no idea you could rate speakers and I bet others didn't either. yes, guys in the audience. They send you an email so its very easy not to open it Never knew that. As I am sure many guys don't, bet that has an effect on the rating for sure.
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Post by dthumphr on May 17, 2016 17:43:14 GMT -6
I'd say one of the best qualities is that the speaker doesn't think he's talking to a room full of John Grudens. I've got a pretty good grip of the game, having played/coached for the past 20 years. But I've been in way too many clinics where I've been sitting near a couple of coaches who get this glazed look over their eyes because Coach Jim Bob up there is speaking Talladeganese. If you're speaking, put the concepts you're trying to teach into simple, universally understood terms. If you go to a Glazier Clinic and start off your defensive presentation by talking about how you wanna "sink your corners to a cloud and roll the joker up to play a 3-high shell with the nickel and dime", you've probably already lost 70-80% of your audience. And I want to play those guys. The problem is that there aren't many universal terms unless the speaker dumbs it down far enough that it's only useful for beginners. I like it when I get to learn new stuff I might not have heard before. Plus, there are plenty of universal terms. Over fronts, 2 Jet protections, cloud, drive concept. Those are pretty universal. The best talk I've heard in the last year was from the Stanford DC at Glazier. Smart guy working with a ton of smarter guys. They put a lot on their players' plates but they can handle it. He gave us a handout with 20 or so blitzes they run from different fronts. It was a lot of information, but he talked about some valuable stuff. How their 9-tech is trained to attack outside zone. The 3 or so different ways they play the zone read to mess with the QB reads (that was great stuff). He also showed how they did their defensive drill circuit. It was fantastic. I think circuits are great and theirs was excellent. So, even he went through some technical stuff his talk included some valuable tips to take home.
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Post by dthumphr on May 17, 2016 17:56:09 GMT -6
To comment on the topic, I cannot stand guys who get up there and just tell stories/jokes. I can rattle off a list of them. Sprinkle some jokes in there, sure. Tell a story at the beginning to get going, but don't waste half the session or more that stuff.
Since he was mentioned earlier, I love Mike Leach but don't go watch his clinic talks. He hasn't talked about anything worthwhile the couple times I've seen him.
Also, I wouldn't go into the NFL coach sessions with high expectations. #1 they are so paranoid to give away their "secrets" #2 they are not accustomed to giving many talks and #3 they may or may not be responsible for the position they are currently in, some have ridden the right coat-tails to get where they are
If you want to learn about the NFL you should attend a COOL clinic. It's more than OL technique, pass protections, and run plays. I've learned a lot about various fronts and blitzes. How to run screen plays. I've even used some blocking techniques I learned there with other offensive skill positions
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Post by fantom on May 17, 2016 17:56:39 GMT -6
And I want to play those guys. The problem is that there aren't many universal terms unless the speaker dumbs it down far enough that it's only useful for beginners. I like it when I get to learn new stuff I might not have heard before. Plus, there are plenty of universal terms. Over fronts, 2 Jet protections, cloud, drive concept. Those are pretty universal. Maybe not THAT universal. I have no idea what 2 Jet protection is or what a drive concept is.
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Post by dthumphr on May 17, 2016 18:21:05 GMT -6
Those are universal. Most people on here know what those are. If you don't know what something means during a clinic talk then you should write it down and look it up. Or ask somebody what it means. You're there at the clinic to learn... and drink beer... but also there to learn something new. It might not be applicable right now but it might be in a couple years. You never know when something you wrote down in a Glazier clinic a few years ago might give a slight edge vs a district rival this year. That's why we have to write these things down. The beer makes the memories from clinic talks foggy.
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Post by fantom on May 17, 2016 18:28:03 GMT -6
Those are universal. Most people on here know what those are. If you don't know what something means during a clinic talk then you should write it down and look it up. Or ask somebody what it means. You're there at the clinic to learn... and drink beer... but also there to learn something new. It might not be applicable right now but it might be in a couple years. You never know when something you wrote down in a Glazier clinic a few years ago might give a slight edge vs a district rival this year. That's why we have to write these things down. The beer makes the memories from clinic talks foggy. That's a good tip. I'm writing it down now so that I'll remember it if I ever get to go to a clinic. Golly, I always wondered how you veteran coaches learned all that real football stuff.
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Post by 44dlcoach on May 17, 2016 18:32:31 GMT -6
Not to sidetrack the thread, but I've been coaching for a while, certainly not as long as some on this board, and not only do I not know what a 2 Jet protection is, but this is the first time I've ever seen or heard the term...
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Post by pvogel on May 17, 2016 18:37:31 GMT -6
Why. The whys. Why do they teach it like that. Why is that their adjustment. Itd be rude and annoying to ask that from the audience. But the guys that explain the why are my favorites, whether its technique, scheme, drills, whatever.
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Post by wingtol on May 17, 2016 19:01:35 GMT -6
Not to sidetrack the thread, but I've been coaching for a while, certainly not as long as some on this board, and not only do I not know what a 2 Jet protection is, but this is the first time I've ever seen or heard the term... Must be one of those fancy passing terms wing-t dinosaurs like myself have never heard either
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